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OT: The WWE Thread - Part 2

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Re: OT: The WWE Thread - Part 2 

Post#81 » by Ruzious » Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:52 pm

ctorres wrote:Ok, my thoughts on Ziggler/Cesaro and Ambrose/Rollins (the main two matches I cared about):

Loved every moment of the Ziggler vs Cesaro match. Two things I liked about Ziggler getting the clean sweep. For one, it makes him look VERY strong as the Intercontinental Champion. Second, it would have been fairly predictable to have Ziggler and Cesaro trade falls. Ziggler getting the 2-0 victory added an enjoyable surprise element to the match. Also, Ziggler and Cesaro had the opening match of the PPV. They would have had to rush all 3 falls and the match was fast paced as it is with just 2 falls.

Considering the match was 12 minutes and 15 seconds long, Ziggler and Cesaro crafted it as good as anyone possibly could. Their attention to detail was outstanding and arguably, they had the toughest assignment out of any of the other matches when you take into account the stipulation and the fact that they had the opening match.

Rollins vs Ambrose was the best story driven match I've seen since both of Daniel Bryan's matches at Wrestlemania 30. I had no issue with the finish at all. LOVED the hologram, the speaking in tongues, crowd's reaction with the phone lights. An Ambrose/Wyatt feud is a fan's dream.

Also, neither Rollins nor Ambrose looks weak after the match. Rollins is still the chickens**t heel that managed to steal the win and gets more heat. Ambrose succeeds in not only getting sympathy as a babyface, but this puts heat on Wyatt as a heel and dissuades the crowd from cheering for him to turn.

As Triple H had explained in a recent interview with Michael Cole, Hell In A Cell isn't about winning, it's about surviving. While sure, sometimes you MUST have a clear winner, I think in the case of Rollins and Ambrose it was more about the substance within the match than who won or lost at the end of it. Ambrose's character, much like Bray's, isn't scared of losing. Ambrose wanted to Rollins inside a cell so he could beat up on him and Ambrose was able to do so.

I was not ready for the Ambrose and Rollins story to be completely over. I feel the match succeeding in not only beginning a new feud between Ambrose and Wyatt, but it further extends the feud between Ambrose and Rollins allowing it to be revisited for a later date. This is similar to how Bryan briefly feuded with Bray Wyatt before getting to set his sights again on the WWE World Heavyweight Championship.

The rest of the matches were good but I would need to watch them again to give thoughtful analysis on them. I will say however that I wish Orton would have beaten Cena, so we could see Orton vs Lesnar with Orton as a babyface. As much as people say they prefer Orton to be a heel, I actually prefer him as a face.

Orton plays the heel role very well, but he's such a badass that I'd much rather cheer for him. Unlike Cena, Orton is a natural in the ring. I look at a guy like Orton and I don't see a guy that should have to depend on "The Authority" for protection. A guy like Rollins is more believable as the frail, insecure top heel, especially considering that Ambrose and Reigns are the true standouts of The Shield.

Great post. The one thing I'll disagree re Orton is that he's a bad arse. To me, it's all about being willing to face Lesnar, and until he does that, I have the feeling that he lacks the legit toughness that Cena has. And I'd be surprised to see it happen.
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Re: OT: The WWE Thread - Part 2 

Post#82 » by IMAN5 » Mon Nov 3, 2014 6:11 pm

Rey Mysterio is apparently going to be backstage tonight? I know he has told WWE he wants nothing to do with them and has stopped cashing cheqs, but theres rumors he might have one more run before the deal ends. Who knows?
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Re: OT: The WWE Thread - Part 2 

Post#83 » by frogfood » Mon Nov 3, 2014 6:39 pm

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Re: OT: The WWE Thread - Part 2 

Post#84 » by IMAN5 » Mon Nov 3, 2014 8:33 pm

I think even though I've been pretty tired of Raw lately I might watch just to see who joins Team Cena.

I'm also pretty sick and will be in bed, so I have nothing better to do.
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Re: OT: The WWE Thread - Part 2 

Post#85 » by wolfv » Mon Nov 3, 2014 9:06 pm

John Cena should change his name to "Cena G. Komen"
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Re: OT: The WWE Thread - Part 2 

Post#86 » by Trav_NYK » Mon Nov 3, 2014 9:41 pm

theres a new wrestling company now called Lucha Underground. I don't think its on cablevision but its on other providers. I watched the main event for their first show on youtube and it was pretty cool to watch. They have a guy called prince puma who it looks like is supposed to be their main guy and the other main guy is John Morrison lol well he goes by Johny Mundo now lol pretty catchy name. They also have conan from TNA, chavo guerro, and matt striker as a commentator lol

Its nothing special but its pretty cool to watch if you were a John Morrison fan like me lol
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Re: OT: The WWE Thread - Part 2 

Post#87 » by frogfood » Mon Nov 3, 2014 9:45 pm

[wipes tears away]

W-w-what happened to Morrison's abs? Where'd they go?
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Re: OT: The WWE Thread - Part 2 

Post#88 » by wolfv » Tue Nov 4, 2014 1:35 am

I guess I haven't really paid attention but does WWE still have a heel announcer/broadcaster? Like what Bobby Heenan and Jerry Lawler used to be. I'm pretty sure all 3 guys on RAW love John Cena. The heel broadcasters used to be really funny back in the day and would definitely rip the main babyface on the roster. WWE is trying to kill wrestling or something
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Re: OT: The WWE Thread - Part 2 

Post#89 » by wolfv » Tue Nov 4, 2014 1:42 am

Miz-Dow is awesome btw
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Re: OT: The WWE Thread - Part 2 

Post#90 » by Da1RealRapsFan » Tue Nov 4, 2014 9:04 am

Just started getting back into WWE. Honestly haven't really followed it too much but I just watched hell in a cell and had a great time watching and loving watching highlights of that Damien misgov guy lol.

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Re: OT: The WWE Thread - Part 2 

Post#91 » by Da1RealRapsFan » Tue Nov 4, 2014 9:06 am

Cena is such an indredible competitor, surviving numerous 3 counts with instinct alone.

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Re: OT: The WWE Thread - Part 2 

Post#92 » by Da1RealRapsFan » Tue Nov 4, 2014 9:09 am

Randy Orton wears grandpa shoes

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Re: OT: The WWE Thread - Part 2 

Post#93 » by IMAN5 » Tue Nov 4, 2014 2:34 pm

that was actually a pretty good episode of Raw. I am like the recruiting aspect of it. VKM making an appearance was great. Rusev won the U.S title on the WWE Network after Raw which is huge to see a title change hands.

Rollins vs Dolph was a great match, I actually wanted to see Rollisn win and carry around the IC title and briefcase, it was hilarious to see Orton come out of no where and RKO. Also the final match of Orton vs Rollins was good, and hilarious to see Orton RKO a few of them before being curb stomped and most likely "taken out"

a Raw without Cena? how refreshing.
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Re: OT: The WWE Thread - Part 2 

Post#94 » by Fury » Tue Nov 4, 2014 2:40 pm

That final Orton segment made him a better face than Cena has ever been
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Re: OT: The WWE Thread - Part 2 

Post#95 » by DASMACKDOWN » Tue Nov 4, 2014 3:06 pm

It looks like they are trying to bring faces and heels into the picture at the right time. They finally dusted off Ryback again basically because they have no choice.
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Re: OT: The WWE Thread - Part 2 

Post#96 » by frogfood » Tue Nov 4, 2014 3:07 pm

DASMACKDOWN wrote:It looks like they are trying to bring faces and heels into the picture at the right time. They finally dusted off Ryback again basically because they have no choice.


They should undust Ryback and end him back to WCW power plant or w/e they found him.
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Re: OT: The WWE Thread - Part 2 

Post#97 » by Trav_NYK » Tue Nov 4, 2014 3:37 pm

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Re: OT: The WWE Thread - Part 2 

Post#98 » by Moose » Tue Nov 4, 2014 3:55 pm

I haven't watched, so this comment is random:

It always kinda annoyed me how a babyface turned heel suddenly isn't that good and then vice versa (in general). I know it is theatrics, but they should really get away from that lame formula. Rollins is clearly their best wrestler from what I have seen and should be stacking up wins, building him up...heel or not. I guess the fans accept it, so it isn't a big deal, but it is kinda lame after a while.
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Re: OT: The WWE Thread - Part 2 

Post#99 » by poeman » Tue Nov 4, 2014 4:21 pm

Randy Orton was very interesting last night...I like what I saw, this is well-deserved.

He had gotten extremely boring and his RKO OUTTA NOWHERE basically has brought some life back into his character
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Re: OT: The WWE Thread - Part 2 

Post#100 » by wolfv » Tue Nov 4, 2014 4:24 pm

Can WWE just keep Orton away from John **** Cena? They turned Ambrose into John's little brother or something and killed him. Orton can actually be a cool face character but I know they're just going to make him pal around with Cena

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