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lilfishi22 wrote:OKC aren't throwing in the towel as long as one of Westbrook, KD or Ibaka are still healthy enough to play.
Only way they trade Ibaka is for a better 4 or 5, like a Boogie or AD.
And I say this expecting the flash that we saw from Alex the other day was a sign that he is improving but slowly (I honestly think Hornacek should give Alex some burn without having to look over his shoulder at Plumlee- commit to Len for a 5 game stretch for 35 minutes).
Frank Lee wrote:Will you unicorn riding rainbow chasers just stop it ?
wheezy wrote:I would take Kanter, McGee, and Thompson off that list immediately. Some of the others are probably career backups as well, and Dalembert is 33 and looked close to being out of the league last year.
Kanter should realistically be coming off the bench behind Gobert. He's a stiff and doesn't defend/rebound.
McGee should be obvious.
Thompson is just barely better than Kanter. They're below average at everything besides being tall.
I realize Favors laid an egg tonight, but he's on my short list of big men after Drummond, et al. Although he won't be a FA for 4 years. Maybe there's a chance Taj can be had in FA if he's unhappy about how his PT situation has been.
NavLDO wrote:So, in my mind, these are the types of trades we should be proposing in here, TBH. Aiming high using the assets McD has accumulated, because he sure as heck isn't going to be looking at trading equal talent. He's going to be looking at trading quantity for quality.
Says you. So be it.
You have to give to get in this league. Highly doubt a Bledsoe for Dudley deal is out there, as Bled was a certain back up with a payday on the way. And Dudley was at his high value mark. Big Guys are at a premium. Acquiring a legit big will not be done with Gerald Green + and an unknown draft pick. Greg Monroe is an interesting case, but he will require 12-14 mill to keep and don't really picture the FO going through that process again. He'd cost us a high draft pick to boot. Cant see why Det would part with Drummond, not with StanVan running the show. I think any conversation with Det begins with Josh Smith. The rest on that list .... Henson ???
NavLDO wrote:I get what you are saying...I do. But what exactly are you looking for in this thread? "Hey, let's trade for a middling talent that won't move the needle one way or the other!" That's boring and useless. We need to be looking at top tier talent, or at least guys that have the potential to be top tier. That's why McD acquired all the pieces he has--it certainly wasn't to draft 8 rookies in three years and hope for the best.
I brought up Ibaka because OKC stinks without their top 2 players. And while they are only projected to be out 4-6 weeks, they are not going to walk in and be back at 100%. So, they very well could be well below .500 at the trade deadline. Ibaka is a dream scenario, sure, but it's not like I'm saying, "Hey, let's trade a 2nd Rd pick for Lebron!" The offer I pieced together would be fair, and allows them to "tank" for a year and have two lottery picks, Ennis and Goodwin, two young potential talents--overall, that's four guys potentially under 21 for Ibaka, and Plumlee thrown in for Perkins (as bad as Plumlee is, they get to erase Perkins).
So, in my mind, these are the types of trades we should be proposing in here, TBH. Aiming high using the assets McD has accumulated, because he sure as heck isn't going to be looking at trading equal talent. He's going to be looking at trading quantity for quality.
1UPZ wrote:Dragic for Hibbert!!
lol, I'll get some heat for that, but Pacers did offer that trade.
Makes you wonder what Paul George / Lance Stephenson did to Hibbert off the court to make him play so bad the last 2 months of the season.
But he is protecting the rim and has been solid post offensively.
lilfishi22 wrote:NavLDO wrote:I get what you are saying...I do. But what exactly are you looking for in this thread? "Hey, let's trade for a middling talent that won't move the needle one way or the other!" That's boring and useless. We need to be looking at top tier talent, or at least guys that have the potential to be top tier. That's why McD acquired all the pieces he has--it certainly wasn't to draft 8 rookies in three years and hope for the best.
ALl well and good but we don't have the assets to make a move for top tier talent as much as everyone wishes we did. What you're doing here is rosterbating.--Yep, and guess what, we're fans, not FO types, so it's in our nature to rosterbate in these types of threads. I know some fans would like to believe they are FO types, but fact of the matter is, we're not. So, if you or others desire to make trades like "Gerald Green for David West", or similar type of middling talents, then that's fine, but to me, what is that accomplishing--West ain't moving the needle! We have PLENTY of role players AND draft picks--we need one more All-Star, and we should be, and I can guarantee McD is, looking at a way to turn our assets into an All-Star.
I brought up Ibaka because OKC stinks without their top 2 players. And while they are only projected to be out 4-6 weeks, they are not going to walk in and be back at 100%. So, they very well could be well below .500 at the trade deadline. Ibaka is a dream scenario, sure, but it's not like I'm saying, "Hey, let's trade a 2nd Rd pick for Lebron!" The offer I pieced together would be fair, and allows them to "tank" for a year and have two lottery picks, Ennis and Goodwin, two young potential talents--overall, that's four guys potentially under 21 for Ibaka, and Plumlee thrown in for Perkins (as bad as Plumlee is, they get to erase Perkins).
The offer you made isn't close to being fair, it's downright laughable. You throw that same trade on the GB or on the OKC forum and you might even get accused of trolling. -- Good thing I didn't then, huh! That's why it's on our board, not the GB or Trades board. I've already admitted to that being in our best interest, not OKCs, BUT, it's not THAT far off, but yes, we'd have to throw in a starter-level at least--I agree--probably Dragic. Again--fan=rosterbating...got it! Sorry if I insulted you with the offer, I'll try to be more realistic next time, but what I was doing was trying to put together a trade, that gives OKC FUTURE talents, to allow them to tank this year, so if I added Dragic, that would be counterintuitive to the SPIRIT of the trade.
OKC are missing their two best players but they will both be back before the end of the year. You're assumption that they should tank for a year is off and so is your valuation of the talent/asset we're moving for a top tier big man.So, in my mind, these are the types of trades we should be proposing in here, TBH. Aiming high using the assets McD has accumulated, because he sure as heck isn't going to be looking at trading equal talent. He's going to be looking at trading quantity for quality.
We should be proposing realistic trades, not the trades we make in NBA2K. You're proposing homerun trades which turns us into contenders but they just aren't realistic. -- OK, then, I'll give up. Heaven forbid we try to aim high in a trade thread on OUR board. But as I mentioned earlier as well, I honestly think that outside of a homerun trade, we should just stay put throughout the season. We have young players and we need to see where these guys are at, and we need to give them a full season to prove themselves, and at the end of the season, sign Dragic and if Len doesn't look to be a budding superstar, look at ways of getting one in here. I have a feeling Kieff is on his way to being a top 10-12 PF in this league.
MilotheSlayer wrote:What would it take to snag Ed Davis from LA? Could we get him for Ennis?
Qwigglez wrote:Pass on Ed Davis. If he wanted to be here he should have signed with us and not the Lakers.
I still think Monroe is the most attainable target. I know someone mentioned why trade for him when he can bolt in free agency, but Gerald Green could easily leave too, and I don't see him sticking around to be a bench player when he can be a starter on a lot of teams. I say we trade Gerald Green for Monroe, move Kieff and Marcus to the bench. We talk about Monroe not having defense, but at least he rebounds at a decent rate, and I'm sure we could still outscore our opponents.
(Unless we can trade PJ Tucker for Greg Monroe, I'm all for that!)