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Legends on Lin 

Post#1 » by ChokeFasncists » Wed Nov 5, 2014 10:47 am

Lakers Hall of Famer Questions Jeremy Lin’s Killer Instinct

http://lakeshowlife.com/2014/11/05/lake ... -instinct/

After the Lakers fifth loss in a row to start the season, James Worthy offered a candid opinion on Jeremy Lin. “He’s a work in progress. He’s a (two) guard trying to learn how to be a point guard”, he said, implying Lin is still in development mode. “I’m not sure if he has a killer instinct yet." “He’s thinking too much. He just has to go out and play”, James Worthy said.

After the game Lin was dejected, almost morose, unable to focus on the questions he was being asked, as if he was still back in the game, in those last two minutes when the Lakers were very close to tying the score. But he could not find a way to make it happen which was disheartening for Lin. Wanting to win is not a Jeremy Lin issue, nor did James Worthy imply that it was.

Jeremy Lin wants to win badly, for himself and for the team. But he has yet to demonstrate a willingness and desire to take the game over which was James Worthy’s point. He just can’t give the ball up and expect someone else to make the play. He has to direct everyone.
It doesn’t get any easier for Jeremy Lin either. On Sunday it is Kemba Walker. And on Tuesday Mike Conley.

Someone tells him he's putting shame on God? God demands him to play better!!!

Kobe's gotta realize that it's much better to have Linball keeping everyone involved and the game close and then have him take over late than to have him keeping the game close by himself and then have Lin take over at the end. Of course, Lin's gotta tone down on his turnovers to gain more trust.
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Legends on Lin 

Post#2 » by Durant Durant » Wed Nov 5, 2014 12:07 pm

This team is a Nick Young short of winning. Check the discrepancy in bench production in last night's game and see it's not because Lin didnt score 30 that team isnt winning
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Post#3 » by Lorenzomax7 » Wed Nov 5, 2014 1:42 pm

James Worthy needs to talk to J-Lin asap.
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Post#4 » by One Love » Wed Nov 5, 2014 4:19 pm

Glad we paid Lin $16 mlion instead of Isiah $7 million (who wanted to play for the Lakers)... It is OFFICIALLY TIME to put this on the FRONT OFFICE... We could have made a handful of moves which would have made us relevant... Couple avenues:

1. Isiah ($7m) & Ariza ($8m).
2. Deng ($10m) & Lowry ($12m).
3. MCW (draft pick) & Ariza or Deng.

I preferred Elfrid to Randle but will let that to as Randle was the safer bet... The reality is simple, the FO needs to make some moves...
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Post#5 » by Tonyism74 » Wed Nov 5, 2014 4:40 pm

Kobe is the issue; if you were playing with Kobe, your game would be limited and sacrificed. Not that Kobe isn't a good player, but he dominates the ball and the 24.
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Post#6 » by ArC_man » Wed Nov 5, 2014 5:16 pm

One Love wrote:Glad we paid Lin $16 mlion instead of Isiah $7 million (who wanted to play for the Lakers)... It is OFFICIALLY TIME to put this on the FRONT OFFICE... We could have made a handful of moves which would have made us relevant... Couple avenues:

1. Isiah ($7m) & Ariza ($8m).
2. Deng ($10m) & Lowry ($12m).
3. MCW (draft pick) & Ariza or Deng.

I preferred Elfrid to Randle but will let that to as Randle was the safer bet... The reality is simple, the FO needs to make some moves...

Lin came to us with 2 picks while Isaiah Thomas was received in a SnT w/ the Kings (meaning we would actually have to give the Kings something), big difference. Put Lin in that system behind Bledsoe/Dragic and give him the green light, he would do damage just like Thomas is doing.
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Post#7 » by Optms » Wed Nov 5, 2014 5:46 pm

Tonyism74 wrote:Kobe is the issue; if you were playing with Kobe, your game would be limited and sacrificed. Not that Kobe isn't a good player, but he dominates the ball and the 24.


Carmelo was the issue in New York. Harden, McHale and Howard were the problem in Houston and now Kobe is being singled out for holding him back?

If only Lin was as good as some advertise. Frankly I don't think he is.

He makes terrible decisions with the ball every other trip down the floor, has below average basketball awareness, isn't a good shooter, scorer or gifted play maker. Gets raddled fairly easily and appears to have confidence issues.

Yes, he makes the occasional great play and tosses in the occasional good game here and there but aside from a few snippets of good basketball, he isn't a good player and frankly shouldn't be starting because he's an inconsistent mess. Kobe has very little do to do with that.

If Hill and Ed Davis can show their worth to the team in spite of Kobe dominating the ball, I expect no less from the rest of this cast of role players. Lin needs to play better regardless of role.
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Post#8 » by BEazy » Wed Nov 5, 2014 6:22 pm

Kobe is only taking those shots because nobody else is willing to take them. Stop blaming Kobe for taking shots, you should be used to it by now after 18 years in the league. I mean were you pissed that he scored 81 points with X amount of shots? No, because we/HE won that game.

Besides, once Nick Young comes back I'm sure Kobe would be a more willing passer because he knows Swaggy can create his own shot and score the ball at will. With Nick Young's presence in the line up the scoring load Jeremy is suppose take on will be off his back. That should be a little reassuring to Kobe and definitely help Jeremy Lin.
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Post#9 » by Kilroy » Wed Nov 5, 2014 6:25 pm

Lin's best coming off the bench against backups. He and Swaggy would be awesome as a second unit.

But neither of them are quality starters as far as I'm concerned.
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Post#10 » by crazyeights » Wed Nov 5, 2014 7:19 pm

Major Tom wrote:This team is a Nick Young short of winning.


This is why I hope by the time Swaggy returns we've lost 15+ games. I don't want even the slightest illusion that we should be a .500 level team.

In order to make the playoffs now (45 wins), we'd need to play at a 58.44% winning clip. It's impossible without a huge, mid-season overhaul. And from the way Mitch and Jimmy have been running the show, seems unlikely they'd deviate from their long term plan.

It's going to be a long year, but I hope it's not a fruitless one. Keep the pick.
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Post#11 » by tenten » Wed Nov 5, 2014 7:36 pm

One Love wrote:Glad we paid Lin $16 mlion instead of Isiah $7 million (who wanted to play for the Lakers)... It is OFFICIALLY TIME to put this on the FRONT OFFICE... We could have made a handful of moves which would have made us relevant... Couple avenues:

1. Isiah ($7m) & Ariza ($8m).
2. Deng ($10m) & Lowry ($12m).
3. MCW (draft pick) & Ariza or Deng.

I preferred Elfrid to Randle but will let that to as Randle was the safer bet... The reality is simple, the FO needs to make some moves...



Al those players aren't signing one year deals, which Lin is on. I think the FO doesn't want to give multi year deals to mediocre players you listed above and keep the flexibility for max players in the next 4-5 years. I don't think they should be blamed for that, yet.
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Post#12 » by Marionettetc » Wed Nov 5, 2014 9:03 pm

ChokeFasncists wrote:Lakers Hall of Famer Questions Jeremy Lin’s Killer Instinct

http://lakeshowlife.com/2014/11/05/lake ... -instinct/

After the Lakers fifth loss in a row to start the season, James Worthy offered a candid opinion on Jeremy Lin. “He’s a work in progress. He’s a (two) guard trying to learn how to be a point guard”, he said, implying Lin is still in development mode. “I’m not sure if he has a killer instinct yet." “He’s thinking too much. He just has to go out and play”, James Worthy said.

After the game Lin was dejected, almost morose, unable to focus on the questions he was being asked, as if he was still back in the game, in those last two minutes when the Lakers were very close to tying the score. But he could not find a way to make it happen which was disheartening for Lin. Wanting to win is not a Jeremy Lin issue, nor did James Worthy imply that it was.

Jeremy Lin wants to win badly, for himself and for the team. But he has yet to demonstrate a willingness and desire to take the game over which was James Worthy’s point. He just can’t give the ball up and expect someone else to make the play. He has to direct everyone.
It doesn’t get any easier for Jeremy Lin either. On Sunday it is Kemba Walker. And on Tuesday Mike Conley.

Someone tells him he's putting shame on God? God demands him to play better!!!

Kobe's gotta realize that it's much better to have Linball keeping everyone involved and the game close and then have him take over late than to have him keeping the game close by himself and then have Lin take over at the end. Of course, Lin's gotta tone down on his turnovers to gain more trust.


99% of your posts are about Lin, and you posted in another thread he's the only reason you're watching lakers games.

I'm going to guess this whole obsession is some sort of asian pride thing, because Lin's talent level in no way warrants the kind of stuff you're saying about him.

"Lin keeping the game close"? You're serious? Lol
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Post#13 » by cw3k » Wed Nov 5, 2014 9:19 pm

ScHoolBoy B wrote:Kobe is only taking those shots because nobody else is willing to take them. Stop blaming Kobe for taking shots, you should be used to it by now after 18 years in the league. I mean were you pissed that he scored 81 points with X amount of shots? No, because we/HE won that game.

Besides, once Nick Young comes back I'm sure Kobe would be a more willing passer because he knows Swaggy can create his own shot and score the ball at will. With Nick Young's presence in the line up the scoring load Jeremy is suppose take on will be off his back. That should be a little reassuring to Kobe and definitely help Jeremy Lin.


I think that is full of it. You can see people are moving and actually working hard when Kobe didn't get the ball and shoot it. Don't get me wrong, I like Kobe, but taking 40% of team shot attempt is nothing short of selfish. This Kobe actually make Melo and Harden unselfish.
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Post#14 » by Kilroy » Wed Nov 5, 2014 9:41 pm

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ScHoolBoy B wrote:Kobe is only taking those shots because nobody else is willing to take them. Stop blaming Kobe for taking shots, you should be used to it by now after 18 years in the league. I mean were you pissed that he scored 81 points with X amount of shots? No, because we/HE won that game.

Besides, once Nick Young comes back I'm sure Kobe would be a more willing passer because he knows Swaggy can create his own shot and score the ball at will. With Nick Young's presence in the line up the scoring load Jeremy is suppose take on will be off his back. That should be a little reassuring to Kobe and definitely help Jeremy Lin.


I think that is full of it. You can see people are moving and actually working hard when Kobe didn't get the ball and shoot it. Don't get me wrong, I like Kobe, but taking 40% of team shot attempt is nothing short of selfish. This Kobe actually make Melo and Harden unselfish.


Wtf you been?...

Did you think Kobe used to play like Nash before this season?

I'm just going to say, I'm not going to have a lot of patience with the 'Vict-Lin' narrative if that's where this is going... Lin has been in the league long enough that he needs to start shouldering his share of the blame for the performance of the teams he's on.
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Post#15 » by LApwnd » Wed Nov 5, 2014 9:55 pm

crazyeights wrote:
Major Tom wrote:This team is a Nick Young short of winning.


This is why I hope by the time Swaggy returns we've lost 15+ games. I don't want even the slightest illusion that we should be a .500 level team.

In order to make the playoffs now (45 wins), we'd need to play at a 58.44% winning clip. It's impossible without a huge, mid-season overhaul. And from the way Mitch and Jimmy have been running the show, seems unlikely they'd deviate from their long term plan.

It's going to be a long year, but I hope it's not a fruitless one. Keep the pick.


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Post#16 » by ak7 » Wed Nov 5, 2014 9:57 pm

cw3k wrote:
ScHoolBoy B wrote:Kobe is only taking those shots because nobody else is willing to take them. Stop blaming Kobe for taking shots, you should be used to it by now after 18 years in the league. I mean were you pissed that he scored 81 points with X amount of shots? No, because we/HE won that game.

Besides, once Nick Young comes back I'm sure Kobe would be a more willing passer because he knows Swaggy can create his own shot and score the ball at will. With Nick Young's presence in the line up the scoring load Jeremy is suppose take on will be off his back. That should be a little reassuring to Kobe and definitely help Jeremy Lin.


I think that is full of it. You can see people are moving and actually working hard when Kobe didn't get the ball and shoot it. Don't get me wrong, I like Kobe, but taking 40% of team shot attempt is nothing short of selfish. This Kobe actually make Melo and Harden unselfish.


I'd rather Kobe take 40% of the shots on a team where 50% of the team belongs in the D-League or below.

And what NBA do you watch where Melo and Harden are better ball movers than Kobe? Good lord.
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Post#17 » by cw3k » Wed Nov 5, 2014 10:04 pm

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cw3k wrote:
ScHoolBoy B wrote:Kobe is only taking those shots because nobody else is willing to take them. Stop blaming Kobe for taking shots, you should be used to it by now after 18 years in the league. I mean were you pissed that he scored 81 points with X amount of shots? No, because we/HE won that game.

Besides, once Nick Young comes back I'm sure Kobe would be a more willing passer because he knows Swaggy can create his own shot and score the ball at will. With Nick Young's presence in the line up the scoring load Jeremy is suppose take on will be off his back. That should be a little reassuring to Kobe and definitely help Jeremy Lin.


I think that is full of it. You can see people are moving and actually working hard when Kobe didn't get the ball and shoot it. Don't get me wrong, I like Kobe, but taking 40% of team shot attempt is nothing short of selfish. This Kobe actually make Melo and Harden unselfish.


Wtf you been?...

Did you think Kobe used to play like Nash before this season?

I'm just going to say, I'm not going to have a lot of patience with the 'Vict-Lin' narrative if that's where this is going... Lin has been in the league long enough that he needs to start shouldering his share of the blame for the performance of the teams he's on.


I never mention anything about Lin. What I was referring is basketball in general. It is bad basketball if you have 1 player that takes 40% of the shot and don't get other players involve.
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Post#18 » by BEazy » Wed Nov 5, 2014 10:32 pm

Who else has proved themselves to take some of the scoring load from Kobe? Name one person that has proved it on the court. (Don't bring up Jordan Hill, that was only 2 games) I'm talking about consistency.

These people keep blaming Kobe have some serious bias issues. If you look at some of the sequences from last night's game Jeremy Lin didn't even look to get into a rhythm. Every time he was stuck in a situation he looked for Kobe to bail him out.

I mean doing this Kobe is the villain, and the rest of the team is innocent is seriously stupid. By far one of the most annoying opinion a person can bring up.
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Post#19 » by crazyeights » Wed Nov 5, 2014 10:56 pm

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crazyeights wrote:
Major Tom wrote:This team is a Nick Young short of winning.


This is why I hope by the time Swaggy returns we've lost 15+ games. I don't want even the slightest illusion that we should be a .500 level team.

In order to make the playoffs now (45 wins), we'd need to play at a 58.44% winning clip. It's impossible without a huge, mid-season overhaul. And from the way Mitch and Jimmy have been running the show, seems unlikely they'd deviate from their long term plan.

It's going to be a long year, but I hope it's not a fruitless one. Keep the pick.


with the 6th pick.....PHO SUNS select ...... :lol: ...thanks again Nash!


It'd be worse to be a 9th seed, IMO.
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Post#20 » by ChokeFasncists » Wed Nov 5, 2014 11:12 pm

Marionettetc wrote:99% of your posts are about Lin,

That's definitely not true, it's closer to 75% by my estimate.

and you posted in another thread he's the only reason you're watching lakers games.

True
I'm going to guess this whole obsession is some sort of asian pride thing, because Lin's talent level in no way warrants the kind of stuff you're saying about him.

I'm not sure what it is, I'm a Lin fan there's no doubt. I've never been a huge Wang Zhizhi fan, or Yao Ming fan or anything, but Lin is something else. Some of the stuff he does is the most exciting things to see in basketball. In fact he plays a little like when I used to play, pass first, shoot to draw defense, play D and......turnover prone...... So I guess it's more of an individual thing than race thing. But of course, Lin being the only major Asian presence in American media does mean something. He's playing bad now, no doubt, but his ceiling is still high, if he can get his act together.
"Lin keeping the game close"? You're serious? Lol

Not by himself, by getting everyone involved like Linsanity. But of course, there needs to be better strategies, chemistry, shot making and hustle in order for that to happen.
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