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#BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread

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Re: "Guys?" The Bismack Biyombo Thread 

Post#1421 » by LamarMatic7 » Tue Nov 4, 2014 10:18 pm

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BizGilwalker wrote:
MKGsMotor wrote:I don't see a future where Biz is not a flop. I think he'll struggle to find a career in the NBA. And it pains me to say that.

With that said, I think he should see the time that Maxiell gets on the floor.

How do you figure that? His situation here is like Omer Asik's situation in Chicago, except Biz is 22 and Asik was 25 in his last year in Chicago. Compare Biz's numbers last year and Asik's final year in Chicago and show me a difference. Chicago Asik is a marginally better rebounder, but actually appears worse offensively and defensively.


Asik can catch a ball and generally knows how to play basketball a whole lot better than Biz

Asik's offensive troubles are over-blown, I agree. He doesn't have the best set of hands but still is a European center who in general understands how to move, where to be and how to finish. It might look awkward but he's good enough to make those awkward lay-ups around the rim to reach double digits on points off drop-off passes.
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Re: #BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread 

Post#1422 » by yosemiteben » Wed Nov 5, 2014 5:48 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/bismackbiyombo0/status/529845055503495168[/tweet]

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Re: #BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread 

Post#1423 » by HornetJail » Wed Nov 5, 2014 6:06 pm

yosemiteben wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/bismackbiyombo0/status/529845055503495168[/tweet]

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Re: "Guys?" The Bismack Biyombo Thread 

Post#1424 » by EwingSweatsALot » Wed Nov 5, 2014 6:31 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:
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BizGilwalker wrote:How do you figure that? His situation here is like Omer Asik's situation in Chicago, except Biz is 22 and Asik was 25 in his last year in Chicago. Compare Biz's numbers last year and Asik's final year in Chicago and show me a difference. Chicago Asik is a marginally better rebounder, but actually appears worse offensively and defensively.


Asik can catch a ball and generally knows how to play basketball a whole lot better than Biz

Asik's offensive troubles are over-blown, I agree. He doesn't have the best set of hands but still is a European center who in general understands how to move, where to be and how to finish. It might look awkward but he's good enough to make those awkward lay-ups around the rim to reach double digits on points off drop-off passes.


Maybe I am misremembering, but Asik was also a way better defender then than Biz is now. That guy was an anchor for their second unit in protecting the rim. Biz is a good shot blocker, but an above average defender as a whole. Asik was good if not very good overall then. I don't see how they really compare.
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Re: "Guys?" The Bismack Biyombo Thread 

Post#1425 » by Liver_Pooty » Wed Nov 5, 2014 6:47 pm

EwingSweatsALot wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:
MKGsMotor wrote:
Asik can catch a ball and generally knows how to play basketball a whole lot better than Biz

Asik's offensive troubles are over-blown, I agree. He doesn't have the best set of hands but still is a European center who in general understands how to move, where to be and how to finish. It might look awkward but he's good enough to make those awkward lay-ups around the rim to reach double digits on points off drop-off passes.


Maybe I am misremembering, but Asik was also a way better defender then than Biz is now. That guy was an anchor for their second unit in protecting the rim. Biz is a good shot blocker, but an above average defender as a whole. Asik was good if not very good overall then. I don't see how they really compare.


They don't. One is a solid overall NBA player and the other isn't close.
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Re: #BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread 

Post#1426 » by mrknowitall215 » Wed Nov 5, 2014 7:54 pm

I miss seeing this on the court :wavefinger:

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Post#1427 » by NCHeels2008 » Wed Nov 5, 2014 8:59 pm

the fact that its for maxiell and not zeller/vonleh is what bothers me
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Post#1428 » by Flip Murray » Thu Nov 6, 2014 2:26 am

has father time claimed biyombo?
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Post#1429 » by W_HAMILTON » Thu Nov 6, 2014 3:04 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:I miss seeing this on the court :wavefinger:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxekHDvnokU[/youtube]

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It's so shameful that we continue to play Maxiell over him.
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Re: #BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread 

Post#1430 » by TheKingofSting » Thu Nov 6, 2014 3:12 am

I thought we may see Biz for a minute I thought the flagrant was on Marvin until replay.
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Re: #BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread 

Post#1431 » by JDR720 » Thu Nov 6, 2014 8:08 pm

Based on recent chatter on sports-talk radio, Charlotte Hornets fans wonder why center Bismack Biyombo, the seventh pick in the 2011 NBA draft, hasn’t played this season.

Why is that?

"In the preseason he just didn’t play very well," coach Steve Clifford said. "When he has the right energy level and thinking defense and rebounding, he has nights when he plays well. When he doesn’t do those things, the team doesn’t play as well when he’s out there."

Clifford has chosen instead to play 6-foot-7 Jason Maxiell in what minutes Al Jefferson doesn’t play at center. The Hornets signed 10-year veteran Maxiell to an unguaranteed contract, and he was no given to make the roster. But he’s played every game in a 2-3 start, averaging just over 13 minutes.

Maxiell’s statistics are modest: He’s averaging two points and 1.4 rebounds and doesn’t provide the shotblocking Biyombo might. However, he consistently delivers things Clifford trusts right now.

"He plays in a way that allows the group to function well," Clifford said. "He’s very bright at both ends of the floor. Offensively, though he isn’t a very good scorer, he’s a great screener, and that helps us play team basketball.

"He’s our best post defender individually and by far our most physical player."

Fans clearly didn’t see this coming. Neither did Maxiell.

"I expected to be more of a locker-room guy and mentor to Biz and Cody (Zeller)," Maxiell said. "But the conditioning I did this summer paid off. They’ve asked me to be the first big man off the bench and I’ve tried to do my part."

"Being a 10-year vet, you should be in a position to be trusted by your coach. It’s my job to be kind of a mentor – to do my job but also help them do their jobs as well."

Biyombo makes about $4 million this season after the then-Bobcats exercised a team option a year ago. He’ll be a restricted free agent in July.

Last season Biyombo averaged 2.9 points, 4.8 rebounds and 1.12 blocks in about 14 minutes a game. Clifford can live with Biyombo’s offensive limitations, but only when he consistently brings impact defensively.

"He and I have been talking about this for two years now – he’s got to be a more consistent effort, defense and rebounding player," Clifford said.

"His first two years (in the NBA) his team defense was somewhere between average and below average. Last year his rebounding and team defense became at times very, very good. If he can get those two areas back to that level, then he can be a very good player."

Biyombo doesn’t sound antsy about his lack of playing time.

"That’s the coach’s decision. I’ve got to live with that and respect it,” Biyombo said. “But I’ve also got to get better. I think that’s what I always do and I’ll continue to do that.

Does he agree with Clifford about his energy level?

"It could possibly be right," Biyombo said. "I have to keep learning, I have to keep getting better and I have to stay ready."

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/1 ... FvUanMo6M8#storylink=cpy
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Re: #BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread 

Post#1432 » by LofJ » Thu Nov 6, 2014 8:20 pm

So basically Bismack isn't bringing it during practice. I guess Clifford is hoping that this will be a wake up call for him, and I'd say he's right. This is a contract year for him after all, it's now or never if he wants to sign a new long term deal. I hope like heck that he steps it up, we need him out there.

edit: And props to Bonnell for writing a story on this. I know most of us here have been wanting to know what the heck was going on with Biyombo's DNPs.
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Re: #BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread 

Post#1433 » by mrknowitall215 » Thu Nov 6, 2014 8:50 pm

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Based on recent chatter on sports-talk radio, Charlotte Hornets fans wonder why center Bismack Biyombo, the seventh pick in the 2011 NBA draft, hasn’t played this season.

Why is that?

"In the preseason he just didn’t play very well," coach Steve Clifford said. "When he has the right energy level and thinking defense and rebounding, he has nights when he plays well. When he doesn’t do those things, the team doesn’t play as well when he’s out there."

Clifford has chosen instead to play 6-foot-7 Jason Maxiell in what minutes Al Jefferson doesn’t play at center. The Hornets signed 10-year veteran Maxiell to an unguaranteed contract, and he was no given to make the roster. But he’s played every game in a 2-3 start, averaging just over 13 minutes.

Maxiell’s statistics are modest: He’s averaging two points and 1.4 rebounds and doesn’t provide the shotblocking Biyombo might. However, he consistently delivers things Clifford trusts right now.

"He plays in a way that allows the group to function well," Clifford said. "He’s very bright at both ends of the floor. Offensively, though he isn’t a very good scorer, he’s a great screener, and that helps us play team basketball.

"He’s our best post defender individually and by far our most physical player."

Fans clearly didn’t see this coming. Neither did Maxiell.

"I expected to be more of a locker-room guy and mentor to Biz and Cody (Zeller)," Maxiell said. "But the conditioning I did this summer paid off. They’ve asked me to be the first big man off the bench and I’ve tried to do my part."

"Being a 10-year vet, you should be in a position to be trusted by your coach. It’s my job to be kind of a mentor – to do my job but also help them do their jobs as well."

Biyombo makes about $4 million this season after the then-Bobcats exercised a team option a year ago. He’ll be a restricted free agent in July.

Last season Biyombo averaged 2.9 points, 4.8 rebounds and 1.12 blocks in about 14 minutes a game. Clifford can live with Biyombo’s offensive limitations, but only when he consistently brings impact defensively.

"He and I have been talking about this for two years now – he’s got to be a more consistent effort, defense and rebounding player," Clifford said.

"His first two years (in the NBA) his team defense was somewhere between average and below average. Last year his rebounding and team defense became at times very, very good. If he can get those two areas back to that level, then he can be a very good player."

Biyombo doesn’t sound antsy about his lack of playing time.

"That’s the coach’s decision. I’ve got to live with that and respect it,” Biyombo said. “But I’ve also got to get better. I think that’s what I always do and I’ll continue to do that.

Does he agree with Clifford about his energy level?

"It could possibly be right," Biyombo said. "I have to keep learning, I have to keep getting better and I have to stay ready."

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/1 ... FvUanMo6M8#storylink=cpy


I hate to say it, but I read this as a bunch of BS from Clifford. Biyombo lead the team in rebounding per minute by a wide margin with 11.3 rebounds per 36 in his sparse time on the floor during the preseason, and was also the leading shot blocker at 2.1 blocks per 36 (sans Maxiell's 2.6)
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Post#1434 » by mrknowitall215 » Thu Nov 6, 2014 8:53 pm

"He plays in a way that allows the group to function well," Clifford said. "He’s very bright at both ends of the floor. Offensively, though he isn’t a very good scorer, he’s a great screener, and that helps us play team basketball.

"He’s our best post defender individually and by far our most physical player."


This is how Clifford described Maxiell. It almost read like he was talking about Biyombo except for the "very bright at both ends of the floor" part
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Re: #BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread 

Post#1435 » by tondi123 » Thu Nov 6, 2014 9:11 pm

Well we are certainly ruining his value around the league. Maybe we are going to sit him all year because "he sucks" and then try to lock him up for a few years on the cheap. If he never sees the floor all year nobody will offer him anything and we can resign him for practically nothing.

That makes as much sense as continuing to assert that Maxiell is bringing something we didn't see Biz bring over the last 3 years, because he clearly isn't.
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Post#1436 » by SpearNMgicHelmt » Thu Nov 6, 2014 11:49 pm

I have wondered if one reason he doesn't fit in as well this year is from Lance playing some with the second unit. There's no way Biz would be able to handle Lance's unexpected zippy passes. Heck. I'm not sure any of our guys have adjusted to those quite yet.

Seems like when McBob would do his nifty passing, the guy receiving the ball was generally wide open and ready for the ball.
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Post#1437 » by Bassman » Fri Nov 7, 2014 12:14 pm

I have no love for Maxiell, but you guys still over-value Biz. The issue coach has with him is not obvious in his comments...you need to read between the lines. I don't see him slacking when he is on the court, so the "effort" and "consistency" is coach-code for being a poor team player. Clifford talks about his need to bring consistent effort to his rebounding and team defense (forget offense, where he is a lost cause). What he's really saying is Biz remains a LOW-IQ player. He gets out of position, doesn't set good picks, doesn't help facilitate ball movement on offense, has poor handles, etc. This is where his lack of basketball training during his formative years continues to hurt him. He lacks BB instincts. Some guys can overcome that, but clearly Biz just isn't getting there.

I still hope he gets into games and shows enough promise to be trade asset.
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Re: #BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread 

Post#1438 » by BeesWax » Fri Nov 7, 2014 12:35 pm

Bassman wrote:I have no love for Maxiell, but you guys still over-value Biz. The issue coach has with him is not obvious in his comments...you need to read between the lines. I don't see him slacking when he is on the court, so the "effort" and "consistency" is coach-code for being a poor team player. Clifford talks about his need to bring consistent effort to his rebounding and team defense (forget offense, where he is a lost cause). What he's really saying is Biz remains a LOW-IQ player. He gets out of position, doesn't set good picks, doesn't help facilitate ball movement on offense, has poor handles, etc. This is where his lack of basketball training during his formative years continues to hurt him. He lacks BB instincts. Some guys can overcome that, but clearly Biz just isn't getting there.

I still hope he gets into games and shows enough promise to be trade asset.

If that is true then Clifford is just to dumb to realize how much help Biz is. Maxiell is no help whether he is in position or not. Maxiell just gets dunked on or misses a huge rainbow shot from the elbow. Maxiell may be smarter BBIQ wise then Biz but the problem is it does no good. I could be smart and know positioning better than Biz but it does not mean at 6'2" I should play backup center for the Hornets. Clifford is either confused or a poor coach if this is the problem. Biz's numbers show he is more effective when he is on the court than Max and it really is not even very close.
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Re: #BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread 

Post#1439 » by Elden Payton » Fri Nov 7, 2014 12:53 pm

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Bassman wrote:I have no love for Maxiell, but you guys still over-value Biz. The issue coach has with him is not obvious in his comments...you need to read between the lines. I don't see him slacking when he is on the court, so the "effort" and "consistency" is coach-code for being a poor team player. Clifford talks about his need to bring consistent effort to his rebounding and team defense (forget offense, where he is a lost cause). What he's really saying is Biz remains a LOW-IQ player. He gets out of position, doesn't set good picks, doesn't help facilitate ball movement on offense, has poor handles, etc. This is where his lack of basketball training during his formative years continues to hurt him. He lacks BB instincts. Some guys can overcome that, but clearly Biz just isn't getting there.

I still hope he gets into games and shows enough promise to be trade asset.

If that is true then Clifford is just to dumb to realize how much help Biz is. Maxiell is no help whether he is in position or not. Maxiell just gets dunked on or misses a huge rainbow shot from the elbow. Maxiell may be smarter BBIQ wise then Biz but the problem is it does no good. I could be smart and know positioning better than Biz but it does not mean at 6'2" I should play backup center for the Hornets. Clifford is either confused or a poor coach if this is the problem. Biz's numbers show he is more effective when he is on the court than Max and it really is not even very close.


I actually agree with this and I believe it's a brave post.

Biz will never be Dwight Howard but to pretend he's a lesser player than Maxiell (at this point) is insulting to Biz.

I like Maxiell too but he is done in this league as a viable bench option for a playoff team.

Perfect for the end of the bench bruiser to provide vet leadership and pinch minutes.
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Re: #BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread 

Post#1440 » by trins » Fri Nov 7, 2014 1:32 pm

I think the real reason Clifford is not playing Biz is because he is punishing him. It is obvious that he did not practice much basketball during the offseason as he went to Africa.

No matter how high Maxiels BBIQ is, he is net negative with everything. from defense to rebounding to scoring, he is terrible. I can't imagine in any way that Maxiell's 2ppg is that of a game changer over Biz. Even if Biz is a worse pick-setter than Maxiell, it does not matter since Zeller can make up for it and he's a scoring threat at pick and rolls (Zeller).

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