#BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread

[BeesWax]

I think the real reason Clifford is not playing Biz is because he is punishing him. It is obvious that he did not practice much basketball during the offseason as he went to Africa.

No matter how high Maxiels BBIQ is, he is net negative with everything. from defense to rebounding to scoring, he is terrible. I can't imagine in any way that Maxiell's 2ppg is that of a game changer over Biz. Even if Biz is a worse pick-setter than Maxiell, it does not matter since Zeller can make up for it and he's a scoring threat at pick and rolls (Zeller).

I agree. I do not thing Clifford is a stupid man therefore the only thing he can be doing is punishing Biz because he did not camp out in Charlotte all summer. He is lying to us in his interviews because if he told us he was just doing this out of spite and costing the team games he knows fans would jump all over him. He goes and makes up some crazy excuse that flies in the face of what we have all seen so he can try to hide the fact he is being a jerk. I get proving a point to some extent but a couple of games is fine. We as fans want a winning team and I do not care what the ego of my coach is like. I want the coach to be a bigger man and play the player we need to play to win the games.

[chabber]

All I'm gonna say is that in the 2nd quarter of Miami game, when we had our 5 man bench unit in, we allowed 3 layups in a row. If it had happened again I would have started screaming at coach to put Biz in. Maxiell's IQ/skillset doesn't make up for his minuscule production and what I've been seeing on defense.

[HornetJail]

I think the real reason Clifford is not playing Biz is because he is punishing him. It is obvious that he did not practice much basketball during the offseason as he went to Africa.

No matter how high Maxiels BBIQ is, he is net negative with everything. from defense to rebounding to scoring, he is terrible. I can't imagine in any way that Maxiell's 2ppg is that of a game changer over Biz. Even if Biz is a worse pick-setter than Maxiell, it does not matter since Zeller can make up for it and he's a scoring threat at pick and rolls (Zeller).

I can't imagine it's anything else. I'll give it a couple weeks, but we really can't go on much longer playing Maxiell, even against other teams' benches. He's starting to irk me as much as Ben Gordon did. He's capable of even less on the court, but at least doesn't have a s***ty attitude.

[LamarMatic7]

I can't imagine it's anything else. I'll give it a couple weeks, but we really can't go on much longer playing Maxiell, even against other teams' benches. He's starting to irk me as much as Ben Gordon did. He's capable of even less on the court, but at least doesn't have a s***ty attitude.

The question remains though - does Maxiell need to humble himself?

[mrknowitall215]

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[GoBobs]

I am really scared a trade is going to happen. If we are close on something that could be a reason to hold him out of games. Biyombo hasn't seen one minute of action, granted we have not had many leads.

He is better then Max. The stats are pretty easy to compare for anyone that wants to go look at them. Biz played about the same amount of minutes last year as Maxiell played both this year and last year. Maxiell doesn't do anything better. Biyombo shoots a higher percentage, gets more rebounds and blocks. Maxiell has a 2.75 per this year and had a 8.1 per last year. Biyombo had a 13.33 per last year.

I can understand the impact of playing physical and setting a tone can offer value beyond the stats, but I don't really see it when I see Maxiell out there. Biyombo is a little bit too nice and I could see how he might have a more positive impact as a basketball player if I could slap him across the face a few times and get him a little bit mad and fired up in an effort to help him play with a sense of urgency. I can't say I agree with this approach though. He is a young kid, just let him continue to develop his skills while he already brings a positive impact with is rebounding and defense.

[JDR720]

I hope Bismack doesn't get complacent in his new role, he needs to get on Cliffs good side and get back on the court

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

[tweet]http://twitter.com/bismackbiyombo0/status/530770615209582592[/tweet]

Honestly this is why I think that Cliff doesn't play Biz. He wants "energy" but what he really means is attitude or intensity. One of the things Cliff praised PJ for is his craving to play ... But Biz just smiles and comments about being ready and learning but that playing time is up to the coach. I think that the layed back Biz 'be happy' attitude drives Cliff nuts. He assumes that hunger will lead to good things on the court and doesn't see what Biz is actually contributing when he does play. That said Biz doesn't help himself with the dropped passes and mental mistakes team D wise. IDK if Biz is going to make it after this but the odds of it happening under Cliff are slim IMHO.

[yosemiteben]

I think there is a 0% chance that we trade Biz. His value is at an all time low, he's an expiring and we would have to replace him with a backup big anyway so we have enough depth.

[MasterIchiro]

Occam's razor…

Cliff doesn't identify his own players skill set and/or potential contributions?

Cliff is teaching Biz a lesson for not locking himself up in Charlotte this summer?

The team is trying to tank Biz's value so they can lock him up cheap?

These are the theories floating around.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out they are mostly far fetched.

Biz is not playing because Clifford has correctly identified Biz as a massive liability. He commits stupid fouls, doesn't understand plays and makes bone headed errors and forces the 2nd unit to play 4-5 on offense.

Just admit Biz sucks ass slightly more than Maxiell and your scientific inquiry gets easier from there.

[Braggins]

Occam's razor…

Cliff doesn't identify his own players skill set and/or potential contributions?

Cliff is teaching Biz a lesson for not locking himself up in Charlotte this summer?

The team is trying to tank Biz's value so they can lock him up cheap?

These are the theories floating around.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out they are mostly far fetched.

Biz is not playing because Clifford has correctly identified Biz as a massive liability. He commits stupid fouls, doesn't understand plays and makes bone headed errors and forces the 2nd unit to play 4-5 on offense.

Just admit Biz sucks ass slightly more than Maxiell and your scientific inquiry gets easier from there.

Maxiell has more personal fouls than rebounds. He has more fouls than rebounds, blocks, steals, and assists combined. He's playing around 15 mpg and has 2 blocks. It isn't even close. Biz is way better. Maxiell can't even finish a play when he gets in the right position and catches a pass because he is so undersized and unathletic. Biz hands are bad but he doesn't just drop passes as much as people want to make it seem. Maxiell gets just as many turnovers and makes even more dumb fouls, or fouls that he commits because he has no other option even if he reads the play right.

[BeesWax]

Occam's razor…

Cliff doesn't identify his own players skill set and/or potential contributions?

Cliff is teaching Biz a lesson for not locking himself up in Charlotte this summer?

The team is trying to tank Biz's value so they can lock him up cheap?

These are the theories floating around.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out they are mostly far fetched.

Biz is not playing because Clifford has correctly identified Biz as a massive liability. He commits stupid fouls, doesn't understand plays and makes bone headed errors and forces the 2nd unit to play 4-5 on offense.

Just admit Biz sucks ass slightly more than Maxiell and your scientific inquiry gets easier from there.

Maxiell has more personal fouls than rebounds. He has more fouls than rebounds, blocks, steals, and assists combined. He's playing around 15 mpg and has 2 blocks. It isn't even close. Biz is way better. Maxiell can't even finish a play when he gets in the right position and catches a pass because he is so undersized and unathletic. Biz hands are bad but he doesn't just drop passes as much as people want to make it seem. Maxiell gets just as many turnovers and makes even more dumb fouls, or fouls that he commits because he has no other option even if he reads the play right.

Very easy to see and obvious to anyone who has ever watched the team play that Biz provides more than Maxiell. Maxiell is past his prime and looks like a slower shorter version of Diop. Maxiell is a waste and Clifford is either dumb or trying to teach a lesson. I do not think Clifford is dumb therefore this is ego driven and he is punishing Biz and in effect the team for him not staying in town all summer.

[LofJ]

Whatever the reason is, we need a better backup Center if we're not going to play Biyombo.

[MasterIchiro]

Occam's razor…

Cliff doesn't identify his own players skill set and/or potential contributions?

Cliff is teaching Biz a lesson for not locking himself up in Charlotte this summer?

The team is trying to tank Biz's value so they can lock him up cheap?

These are the theories floating around.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out they are mostly far fetched.

Biz is not playing because Clifford has correctly identified Biz as a massive liability. He commits stupid fouls, doesn't understand plays and makes bone headed errors and forces the 2nd unit to play 4-5 on offense.

Just admit Biz sucks ass slightly more than Maxiell and your scientific inquiry gets easier from there.

Maxiell has more personal fouls than rebounds. He has more fouls than rebounds, blocks, steals, and assists combined. He's playing around 15 mpg and has 2 blocks. It isn't even close. Biz is way better. Maxiell can't even finish a play when he gets in the right position and catches a pass because he is so undersized and unathletic. Biz hands are bad but he doesn't just drop passes as much as people want to make it seem. Maxiell gets just as many turnovers and makes even more dumb fouls, or fouls that he commits because he has no other option even if he reads the play right.

Very easy to see and obvious to anyone who has ever watched the team play that Biz provides more than Maxiell. Maxiell is past his prime and looks like a slower shorter version of Diop. Maxiell is a waste and Clifford is either dumb or trying to teach a lesson. I do not think Clifford is dumb therefore this is ego driven and he is punishing Biz and in effect the team for him not staying in town all summer.

So your theory is coach Clifford is either dumb or petty?

Dumb or petty?

You're definitely on the right track - nothing to do with Biz.

[BeesWax]

Whatever the reason is, we need a better backup Center if we're not going to play Biyombo.

I agreed. Maxiell is horrible and by far the worst player on our roster. If Clifford hates Biz so much we just need to sign someone to take those minutes. Clifford either needs to get over himself or Cho needs to force his hand. If I am Cho I am searching for a backup center better than Maxiell but in the meantime I cut the dead weight and force Clifford's hand.

[LofJ]

Whatever the reason is, we need a better backup Center if we're not going to play Biyombo.

I agreed. Maxiell is horrible and by far the worst player on our roster. If Clifford hates Biz so much we just need to sign someone to take those minutes. Clifford either needs to get over himself or Cho needs to force his hand. If I am Cho I am searching for a backup center better than Maxiell but in the meantime I cut the dead weight and force Clifford's hand.

We have to be talking to Emeka right? I know half the league wants him as well, but hopefully his history here will give us a one up. It would be damn cool to see him in a Hornets uniform.

[yosemiteben]

Maxiell has more personal fouls than rebounds. He has more fouls than rebounds, blocks, steals, and assists combined. He's playing around 15 mpg and has 2 blocks. It isn't even close. Biz is way better. Maxiell can't even finish a play when he gets in the right position and catches a pass because he is so undersized and unathletic. Biz hands are bad but he doesn't just drop passes as much as people want to make it seem. Maxiell gets just as many turnovers and makes even more dumb fouls, or fouls that he commits because he has no other option even if he reads the play right.

Very easy to see and obvious to anyone who has ever watched the team play that Biz provides more than Maxiell. Maxiell is past his prime and looks like a slower shorter version of Diop. Maxiell is a waste and Clifford is either dumb or trying to teach a lesson. I do not think Clifford is dumb therefore this is ego driven and he is punishing Biz and in effect the team for him not staying in town all summer.

So your theory is coach Clifford is either dumb or petty?

Dumb or petty?

You're definitely on the right track - nothing to do with Biz.

It's confusing to me but I do tend to agree with MI here. Biz obviously has a positive attitude, and the only guy that has found himself permanently in Clifford's dog house was Gordon who had a toxic attitude. Everything we've heard about Clifford suggests that he's a standup guy. I don't think he's playing games with Biz through the media to punish him.

[BeesWax]

Whatever the reason is, we need a better backup Center if we're not going to play Biyombo.

I agreed. Maxiell is horrible and by far the worst player on our roster. If Clifford hates Biz so much we just need to sign someone to take those minutes. Clifford either needs to get over himself or Cho needs to force his hand. If I am Cho I am searching for a backup center better than Maxiell but in the meantime I cut the dead weight and force Clifford's hand.

We have to be talking to Emeka right? I know half the league wants him as well, but hopefully his history here will give us a one up. It would be damn cool to see him in a Hornets uniform.

I would think so. Cho would have to go to Clifford and figure out if it is just that he hates Biz or if there is something else. If we get a new guy he would play a worse player over it does us no good. I still think it is just pouting so anyone would do. It will be simple to find a better big than Maxiell so it should be easy to upgrade there.

[MasterIchiro]

Yeah I say Cho should go to Clifford and stick up for Biz and make sure Clifford doesn't have anything personally against Biz especially since Biz is black. We wouldn't want a coach who has a hatred of black players. I hope I'm making sense here.

[HornetJail]

If Clifford is in fact benching biz for now due to lack of effort then I stand behind him unless Maxiell continues to be this hopeless all season while Biz sits. I can understand this as a temporary thing.

But let's not pretend that Biz is some talentless bum. He has made some big strides on the boards and on defense and while he's still a serious project offensively, so is somebody like Larry Sanders or a number of other reserves that play the role as a big time rim protector. Biz is still a valuable commodity. If Al gets hurt, do you expect Zeller to match up against the Drummond s, Howards, and Hibberts of the NBA? I certainly don't.