Something is wrong with Millsap...

[atlantabbq99]

After 5 games, he is 13/7 with very poor efficiency, .400FG%, .190FG from three, and 3.2 Turn overs per game.

Maybe because its a contract year and just came off an all star appearance, Sap is feeling the pressure to produce?

We were all expecting Sap and Horford to both produce like the all stars they are, but Horford has been rusty, and Sap has been consistently in-efficient.

Hopefully Millsap can turn it around soon. I think if he can start hitting some threes, defense will respect his outside threat and that will open the other parts of his game.

But if Sap can't turn things around, maybe he should move to the bench, like Manu. Still average 30mpg, but go in with the second unit and dominate

[Hawk Eye]

A lot of the problem so far has been with his inability to finish at the rim. It's bad enough Sap is undersized but combine that with his small wing-span and its a double-whammy

[atlantabbq99]

A lot of the problem so far has been with his inability to finish at the rim. It's bad enough Sap is undersized but combine that with his small wing-span and its a double-whammy

That is not really an excuse, because Millsap has been that way all of his career (even in college).

[Rip2137]

...ita been 5 games. He came out slow last year too. It's okay.

[atlantabbq99]

... He came out slow last year too.

No. You are wrong with that one.

[PandaKidd]

No its exactly what I said would happen. Everyone assumed Millsaps all star production would continue, but Horford is there now. They play very similar and even last year when horford was healthy they had issues.

When horford went down there was no one in the lane and Millsap was a #1 option. He's now a number 3/4 .

Its going to take time and I hate to pat myself on the back but "I told you so"

He and horford have a lot of work to figure out

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[atlantabbq99]

No its exactly what I said would happen. Everyone assumed Millsaps all star production would continue, but Horford is there now. They play very similar and even last year when horford was healthy they had issues.

When horford went down there was no one in the lane and Millsap was a #1 option. He's now a number 3/4 .

Its going to take time and I hate to pat myself on the back but "I told you so"

He and horford have a lot of work to figure out

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You are wrong with that one. Millsap averaged 17ppg in November and December last year, and was shooting at .490FG%. Hawks also had the 3rd most wins in the east by the time Horford went out against the Cavs.

[SBM]

LMAO at this dude running around telling pe they are wrong like he is some expert on Sap. I agree with the sentiments that Sap simply has trouble finishing around length and that it is not a good mesh with Sap and Horford.

I think a solution would be to play him even more with Antic so it gives them more space.

[Jamaaliver]

After 5 games, he is 13/7 with very poor efficiency, .400FG%, .190FG from three, and 3.2 Turn overs per game.

Maybe...Sap is feeling the pressure to produce?

We were all expecting Sap and Horford to both produce like the all stars they are, but...Sap has been consistently in-efficient.

I always say, sell high, buy low.

A Millsap for Asik trade not looking as terrible as it did a few months ago.

We'd get an elite rebounder and rugged interior defender (on an expiring deal), HOU could have gotten a very good scoring PF to complement D-Howard.

And because Millsap was playing so well and Asik so poorly, I'd have insisted on additional assets: draft picks, Motiejunas, Chandler Parsons.

I do believe Millsap will recover, as RIP wisely mentioned, it's been only a handful of games. But I can't help but wonder what value we could have gotten for him when his value was at an all time high. A defensive Center in his physical prime (Asik) would have been a great place to BEGIN negotiations.

[atlantabbq99]

After 5 games, he is 13/7 with very poor efficiency, .400FG%, .190FG from three, and 3.2 Turn overs per game.

Maybe...Sap is feeling the pressure to produce?

We were all expecting Sap and Horford to both produce like the all stars they are, but...Sap has been consistently in-efficient.

I always say, sell high, buy low.

A Millsap for Asik trade not looking as terrible as it did a few months ago.

We'd get an elite rebounder and rugged interior defender (on an expiring deal), HOU could have gotten a very good scoring PF to complement D-Howard.

And because Millsap was playing so well and Asik so poorly, I'd have insisted on additional assets: draft picks, Motiejunas, Chandler Parsons.

I do believe Millsap will recover, as RIP wisely mentioned, it's been only a handful of games. But I can't help but wonder what value we could have gotten for him when his value was at an all time high. A defensive Center in his physical prime (Asik) would have been a great place to BEGIN negotiations.

No way Houston would have taken the deal. Rockets were clearing cap for Carmelo (Bosh, Lebron).

[Jamaaliver]

I always say, sell high, buy low.

A Millsap for Asik trade not looking as terrible as it did a few months ago.

We'd get an elite rebounder and rugged interior defender (on an expiring deal), HOU could have gotten a very good scoring PF to complement D-Howard.

No way Houston would have taken the deal. Rockets were clearing cap for Carmelo (Bosh, Lebron).

Good point. I somewhat forgot. But I have to think they'd have at least considered it.

I very much remember HOU expressing interest in Millsap during the regular season. Once Horford went down and the season fell apart, I would have shopped Millsap so hard before the trade deadline...

[atlantabbq99]

I always say, sell high, buy low.

A Millsap for Asik trade not looking as terrible as it did a few months ago.

We'd get an elite rebounder and rugged interior defender (on an expiring deal), HOU could have gotten a very good scoring PF to complement D-Howard.

No way Houston would have taken the deal. Rockets were clearing cap for Carmelo (Bosh, Lebron).

Good point. I somewhat forgot. But I have to think they'd have at least considered it.

I very much remember HOU expressing interest in Millsap during the regular season. Once Horford went down and the season fell apart, I would have shopped Millsap so hard before the trade deadline...

They probably were shopping Millsap, since it already has been confirmed that the Hawks were shopping around Horford last year. If they are shopping around Horford, then they were probably shopping around everybody except for Teague.

[Jamaaliver]

They probably were shopping Millsap, since it already has been confirmed that the Hawks were shopping around Horford last year. If they are shopping around Horford, then they were probably shopping around everybody except for Teague.

IMO, this kind of makes it worse. Ferry is constantly 'in talks' to improve the team, but never pulls it off. He can clear cap space like it's nobody's business.

But if he has an All Star player...in his prime...on a great contract dangling in trade talks and he still can't get value, I have no hope he would ever get anything of value back in trade.

[PandaKidd]

Stop looking at box scores and watch the games. Last year korver and DMC were not as involved as they are now. Same with teague.

Millsap was and is a good player but he is not the player we saw last year production wise. He had a really great year after AH went down and he was pretty much our only real scorer.

This year it will be different, he and AH have to mesh because what made Millsap good last year WONT WORK with AH in the lineup now.

Also I'm really tired of hearing this"3rd most wins in the east" comment about when horford went down. Its about as recycled as the falcons being 1 play from the Superbowl

We were not a very good team last year, we are not a very good team this year. We rely on EXECUTION and IQ, because we don't have much talent.

Should have sold high on Millsap IMO because our deficiencies are really showing in regards to rebounding and a severe lack of size.

We could easily be 1-4 right now

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[PandaKidd]

The number 1 thing we don't do well is rebound. I can't tell you how many offensive rebounds happened last night , extending possessions for Knicks.

We were undersized last year but it just looks worse now because I think a lot of teams got bigger. That or AL being down some weight (muscle) is affecting his play as well.

Any People still think this is a 50 win team now?

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[theatlfan]

Couple of points on this thread:
1) Let's remember that when Ferry was questioned about making Millsap available during the "Asik deadline", Ferry cited an advanced metric that had the 'Sap/Millsap front court amoung the league's elite. Just saying this so that we remember that the pairing can and has worked in the past so the fact that things are slow now is probably due more to slump / rusty / minor injury that will clear itself out over anything deeper. If things are still bad come 12/15 then we can freak out.
2) It is now basically impossible to trade Millsap. We only gave him a 2yr deal which means that we'd only get his Early Bird Rights - not his Full Bird Rights. There is a point in the final season where Early Bird Rights won't transfer in a deal anymore and I'd assume that this point has past. At that point, Millsap also gains the ability to refuse to be included in deals. So, Millsap can either a) be dealt to a team that he has no way of knowing how he'd fit and completely lose any Bird Rights in FA or b) stick with the team that got an AS berth and have that team be able to pay him up to $14.25M without regards to the cap. This is really a no brainer guys.

A lot of the problem so far has been with his inability to finish at the rim. It's bad enough Sap is undersized but combine that with his small wing-span and its a double-whammy

I've seen this posted here a few times now and I have no idea when this started or why, but this is completely false. I'm not saying that has ideal measurables for PF or anything, but Millsap has incredible length for his size. He is 6'6.25" without shoes and has a 7'1.5" wingspan. No matter how you cut it +7" is elite even for an NBA player. Even just judging him against his peers, 7'1.5" is still average to above for a PF. For some idea, that is the same wingspan as Jordan Hill and is actually longer than Joakim Noah, Tristan Thompson, and Al Horford. Not that those guys are the paradigms of length or anything, but they all play (at least some) C to varying degrees of effectiveness so saying that Millsap doesn't have an impressive wingspan for a PF is a bit disingenuous.

Aside: this has a staple of our player evals with Ferry or Coach Bud. Not to say that he was looking for shorter guys but he if given the choice between someone with adequate height and wingspan or a guy a bit short but had an incredible wingspan with all else being equal, then we've seemed to prefer the guy with the longer wingspan. Sure, there are a handful of guys who weren't at least +5 (e.g., Muscala(+3); Korver (+3); Mike Scott (+3); DMC (+4)) but we've also acquired / drafted more than our share of knee-scratchers as well (Draftees - Schröder (+7); Nogueira (+8); Lamar Patterson (+7); Tavares (I'm estimating +7); FAs - Bazemore (+8); Elton Brand (+9.. !). This propensity has seemed to go up since hiring Coach Bud.

[PandaKidd]

It's too early to say anything concrete but there will be a20 game adjustment period for everyone while bud figures out rotations and everyone gets in game rhythm

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[MaceCase]

I don't know how it's possible to claim that no one saw Millsap and Al play great together last year for a third of the season, ignore the stats that corroborate these facts but then pat themselves on the back after 5 games. Really let's you know where certain people's agendas are.

[PandaKidd]

I think people only remember millsap playing last year after AH went down.

They forget that he and AH had some issues in the beginning

They also forget that AH is rusty
AH doesn't make this team significantly better (still a mediocre team with him last year)
There will be growing pains

All this was ignored when people started predicting 50 win season .



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[PandaKidd]

So Millsap averaging 4ppg less (IN 5 GAMES) is a significant stat?

Lolol

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