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Re: No Rookie Extension for Cole; Becomes RFA this summer 

Post#41 » by RexBoyWonder » Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:37 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:I think there are plenty of PG's out there so if Cole wants too much money, there are better options. As far as Reggie Jackson, he is already asking for $12 mil plus. I really don't think he is worth that much. He is shooting horrendously right now and a bit overrated. He is a middle of the pack PG to me.


A middle of the pack PG >>> every PG we have right now and that we had since forever.
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Re: No Rookie Extension for Cole; Becomes RFA this summer 

Post#42 » by BadMofoPimp » Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:41 pm

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BadMofoPimp wrote:I think there are plenty of PG's out there so if Cole wants too much money, there are better options. As far as Reggie Jackson, he is already asking for $12 mil plus. I really don't think he is worth that much. He is shooting horrendously right now and a bit overrated. He is a middle of the pack PG to me.


A middle of the pack PG >>> every PG we have right now and that we had since forever.


Ok. Do the Heat have $12 million plus dollars to pay Reggie Jacksons asking price. Because, there are plenty of teams out there with more cap room.

Heat can find someone just as good at a lower price. Reggie right now is looking good because the rest of the team sucks and he is chucking the ball like there is no tomorrow while shooting 33%.

Every board on RealGM has a "I want Reggie" thread while it baffles me because he is not a $12 mil per year level player. People are basing their decisions based solely off stats which won't correlate to a playoff team as a starter.
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Re: No Rookie Extension for Cole; Becomes RFA this summer 

Post#43 » by RexBoyWonder » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:08 pm

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BadMofoPimp wrote:I think there are plenty of PG's out there so if Cole wants too much money, there are better options. As far as Reggie Jackson, he is already asking for $12 mil plus. I really don't think he is worth that much. He is shooting horrendously right now and a bit overrated. He is a middle of the pack PG to me.


A middle of the pack PG >>> every PG we have right now and that we had since forever.


Ok. Do the Heat have $12 million plus dollars to pay Reggie Jacksons asking price. Because, there are plenty of teams out there with more cap room.

Heat can find someone just as good at a lower price. Reggie right now is looking good because the rest of the team sucks and he is chucking the ball like there is no tomorrow while shooting 33%.

Every board on RealGM has a "I want Reggie" thread while it baffles me because he is not a $12 mil per year level player. People are basing their decisions based solely off stats which won't correlate to a playoff team as a starter.


I'm don't even want him that badly, my point was a middle of the pack PG would be a big upgrade and a huge help for our team.

I think you're overpricing him with 12Mil$, more like 9Mil IMO..the league is extremely deep with good PG's, seems every team except us has at least one.

We could get Reggie if Deng opts out, but I rather we go after B.Knight Via trade, so we can keep Deng too.
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Post#44 » by UD4MVP » Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:42 am

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A middle of the pack PG >>> every PG we have right now and that we had since forever.


Ok. Do the Heat have $12 million plus dollars to pay Reggie Jacksons asking price. Because, there are plenty of teams out there with more cap room.

Heat can find someone just as good at a lower price. Reggie right now is looking good because the rest of the team sucks and he is chucking the ball like there is no tomorrow while shooting 33%.

Every board on RealGM has a "I want Reggie" thread while it baffles me because he is not a $12 mil per year level player. People are basing their decisions based solely off stats which won't correlate to a playoff team as a starter.


I'm don't even want him that badly, my point was a middle of the pack PG would be a big upgrade and a huge help for our team.

I think you're overpricing him with 12Mil$, more like 9Mil IMO..the league is extremely deep with good PG's, seems every team except us has at least one.

We could get Reggie if Deng opts out, but I rather we go after B.Knight Via trade, so we can keep Deng too.

I would love if we could get Knight and a guy like Robin Lopez who's big and mobile. I actually think Lopez is more attainable since a couple guys on Portland are gonna need to get paid and they may not break bank for him. The scenario to get both would be for us to trade for Knight, which would probably involve at least a 1st round pick, and go into the tax to resign him after locking down a center in Lopez.
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Post#45 » by DayofMourning » Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:41 pm

It will be interesting to see what Wade, Deng, and Granger decide to do with their contracts. I would love to see all three opt out, with Granger not returning.

Wade can get any deal he wants with this team. He could sign a max length deal with opt outs every year and earn what he deserves. He can give us the flexibility to sign any guy we want. This is Wade's city. He's a humble guy who is pragmatic enough to realize the flexibility this team needs to compete for championships.

I hope Deng can continue to produce like he has been. In our two losses he was below average, but other than that, he has been super. I want to keep him as he is a glue guy who has the ability to be a spotlight performer on any given night. He's worth his contract.

Looking forward, this offseason is ripe with players. So many guys will be available if they don't sign extensions. Not superstars, but I think many of us realize that isn't what we really need. Lopez, Monroe, Gasol, Dragic, Knight, Garnett, Danny Green, Asik, Jordan, West, Chandler, Milsapp, etc. What a list!

I hope we play our butts off this year and go farther than any of us can dream of, but regardless of that, we have some premium players waiting to be signed to strengthen this team. The immediate future looks good.
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Post#46 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:44 pm

UD4MVP wrote:I would love if we could get Knight and a guy like Robin Lopez who's big and mobile. I actually think Lopez is more attainable since a couple guys on Portland are gonna need to get paid and they may not break bank for him. The scenario to get both would be for us to trade for Knight, which would probably involve at least a 1st round pick, and go into the tax to resign him after locking down a center in Lopez.


Knight would be perfect next to Wade because the ball flows thru Wade so Knight doesn't have to be a pass first PG. Knight is bordering an elite defender who is deadly from 3 while he can take it to the rack. Perfect for this team.

I really don't like Lopez as he is injury prone and a one trick pony. Just offense.
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Post#47 » by DayofMourning » Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:57 pm

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UD4MVP wrote:I would love if we could get Knight and a guy like Robin Lopez who's big and mobile. I actually think Lopez is more attainable since a couple guys on Portland are gonna need to get paid and they may not break bank for him. The scenario to get both would be for us to trade for Knight, which would probably involve at least a 1st round pick, and go into the tax to resign him after locking down a center in Lopez.


Knight would be perfect next to Wade because the ball flows thru Wade so Knight doesn't have to be a pass first PG. Knight is bordering an elite defender who is deadly from 3 while he can take it to the rack. Perfect for this team.

I really don't like Lopez as he is injury prone and a one trick pony. Just offense.


Wait, Knight is a borderline elite defender? When did this happen?
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Post#48 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:18 pm

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UD4MVP wrote:I would love if we could get Knight and a guy like Robin Lopez who's big and mobile. I actually think Lopez is more attainable since a couple guys on Portland are gonna need to get paid and they may not break bank for him. The scenario to get both would be for us to trade for Knight, which would probably involve at least a 1st round pick, and go into the tax to resign him after locking down a center in Lopez.


Knight would be perfect next to Wade because the ball flows thru Wade so Knight doesn't have to be a pass first PG. Knight is bordering an elite defender who is deadly from 3 while he can take it to the rack. Perfect for this team.

I really don't like Lopez as he is injury prone and a one trick pony. Just offense.


Wait, Knight is a borderline elite defender? When did this happen?


Well, he has his moments where he is a great defender. But right now, he is doing so much on the offensive end this season that he hasn't displayed the energy he has in the past on Defense. But, I have seen him play great defense bordering on elite.
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Post#49 » by DayofMourning » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:25 pm

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UD4MVP wrote:I would love if we could get Knight and a guy like Robin Lopez who's big and mobile. I actually think Lopez is more attainable since a couple guys on Portland are gonna need to get paid and they may not break bank for him. The scenario to get both would be for us to trade for Knight, which would probably involve at least a 1st round pick, and go into the tax to resign him after locking down a center in Lopez.


Knight would be perfect next to Wade because the ball flows thru Wade so Knight doesn't have to be a pass first PG. Knight is bordering an elite defender who is deadly from 3 while he can take it to the rack. Perfect for this team.

I really don't like Lopez as he is injury prone and a one trick pony. Just offense.


He's talking about Robin Lopez, and you're thinking of Brook. Robin is an UFA, while Brook is a player option.

That 2008 draft hurt. Beasley has shown to be incapable mentally, and a complete bust of a pick. With hindsight being 20/20, I'd much rather have taken Robin in his place. Garbage pail big man. Not bad at all.
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Post#50 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:49 pm

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UD4MVP wrote:I would love if we could get Knight and a guy like Robin Lopez who's big and mobile. I actually think Lopez is more attainable since a couple guys on Portland are gonna need to get paid and they may not break bank for him. The scenario to get both would be for us to trade for Knight, which would probably involve at least a 1st round pick, and go into the tax to resign him after locking down a center in Lopez.


Knight would be perfect next to Wade because the ball flows thru Wade so Knight doesn't have to be a pass first PG. Knight is bordering an elite defender who is deadly from 3 while he can take it to the rack. Perfect for this team.

I really don't like Lopez as he is injury prone and a one trick pony. Just offense.


He's talking about Robin Lopez, and you're thinking of Brook. Robin is an UFA, while Brook is a player option.

That 2008 draft hurt. Beasley has shown to be incapable mentally, and a complete bust of a pick. With hindsight being 20/20, I'd much rather have taken Robin in his place. Garbage pail big man. Not bad at all.


I really don't see the Lopez's being much more than backups on great teams, but a combo of Lopez and Birdman would free up Bosh some more. As long as it is not big money because I don't see either really worth more than $8 mil per.
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Post#51 » by DayofMourning » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:01 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
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Knight would be perfect next to Wade because the ball flows thru Wade so Knight doesn't have to be a pass first PG. Knight is bordering an elite defender who is deadly from 3 while he can take it to the rack. Perfect for this team.

I really don't like Lopez as he is injury prone and a one trick pony. Just offense.


He's talking about Robin Lopez, and you're thinking of Brook. Robin is an UFA, while Brook is a player option.

That 2008 draft hurt. Beasley has shown to be incapable mentally, and a complete bust of a pick. With hindsight being 20/20, I'd much rather have taken Robin in his place. Garbage pail big man. Not bad at all.


I really don't see the Lopez's being much more than backups on great teams, but a combo of Lopez and Birdman would free up Bosh some more. As long as it is not big money because I don't see either really worth more than $8 mil per.


You're right. Robin Lopez would be a great big man off the bench. I don't know how much Birdman has left. He looks and plays a lot different than the first season we got him.

My dream offseason would be infusing this team with much needed power players. We'd be twice as good with better big men. We've got plenty of talent, just no bigs. My pipe dream would be Marc Gasol and Robin Lopez. Maybe even Garnett to hold down the end of the bench and be a feasible Bosh carbon copy when we want to run the same sets. That would require 22 million at the least based on the money they are earning this season, and I don't think we can make that kind of money available or be able to offer flexible enough deals to entice them, regardless of what our player option players decide to do.
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Post#52 » by theFRANCHISE » Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:37 pm

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Exactly, Heat have one of the worst PG rotation in the league(if not THE worst), the nba is saturated with stud speedy PGs. Then you have Eman Mudiay who is projected to go #1 or #2 in the draft so that means the league will have yet another stud PG.

Rich Paul can't dick around Riley this time around.


you haven't seen the Lakers PG rotation Lin, Ronnie Price, ghost of Steve Nash


Rio is better than Jeremy Lin, cole is better coming off the bench than starting.

You haven't seen Cole if you think he's better then Lin. And you say this after last night's games? :roll:
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