Knicks Vs. Magic PG Discomfiture

[Dkillanyk4lyf]

We can't even beat the magic at the garden???.smfh

#TANK4OKAFOR

[Deeeez Knicks]

To simplify, if you didn't come into this season saying "we need to tank for a top pick" ...then 9 games into the season you really should just be patient. I keep mentioning the variables because I feel like it should be obvious but

New Coach
New System
New Management
Missing 2 projected Starters
Tough opening schedule

...If you didn't see this coming, I'm a little bit confused. My optimistic projection was 4 wins in the first 10 games and I knew that was a reach.

yeah, all of this should have been expected especially this early. Even the lineup tinkering is not surprising because the roster is such a mess and we have a lot of new players. But it still sucks to watch. 73 more games

[j4remi]

I knew we weren't going to be good, but you can't explain to me the crazy rotations (no consistency) and the evaluating process comment from Phil.

That doesn't sound like, we are doing everything right now to win games. Tanking may not be the correct word to use. But there is absolutely not developing going on.

Orlando is developing, watching guys like Payton, Vucivec, and Harris. Utah is developing with Hayward and Favors. Minnesota is developing with Wiggins, LaVine and there other young players.

I just don't see most of these guys on the roster next year or playing major minutes so yes I feel this season is just "blah".

How many years have Vucevic, Harris, Hayward and Favors had to develop? Payton doesn't impress me. Wiggins and LaVine developing? Again, it's been 9 games. 10 games evaluating different line-ups isn't some crazy out of this world issue. It's a bunch of new guys, a new system and a new coach all creating the equivalent of a clusterf*** that won't clear up for a while. Hence my initial (judge this team in increments) comment.

[j4remi]

Ehh he shot it with about 1.1 left.. he wasn't getting much further. Honestly, looking back at it I didn't mind the shot so much, I blame the coach for not putting it in the right person's hands off the inbound. You don't have time to set up a perfect melo iso at the elbow with 3.3 seconds left by putting it in someone else's hands first. I'd much rather have Melo taking that pull-up than JR obviously. I just think Fisher misjudged the time left given the play he drew up.

If he doesn't go into fade mode, I imagine he could get another dribble and use forward momentum for a pretty good midrange floater. He could have gotten closer to the rack (two steps I'd say).

[j4remi]

To simplify, if you didn't come into this season saying "we need to tank for a top pick" ...then 9 games into the season you really should just be patient. I keep mentioning the variables because I feel like it should be obvious but

New Coach
New System
New Management
Missing 2 projected Starters
Tough opening schedule

...If you didn't see this coming, I'm a little bit confused. My optimistic projection was 4 wins in the first 10 games and I knew that was a reach.

yeah, all of this should have been expected especially this early. Even the lineup tinkering is not surprising because the roster is such a mess and we have a lot of new players. But it still sucks to watch. 73 more games

That we can agree on. It sucks to watch, it gets frustrating as hell...I'm at least optimistic about Melo though. Without the foul trouble last night, he's putting up 30 points on +50% from the field. When he's knocking down the easy ones, he's efficient in this system, moreso than past seasons with the Knicks especially.

[NoLayupRule]

for sure but in his defense Jason Smith had like 17 points which was one of the very few effective point totals of a player last night

I hate to say it but we need Bargnani

those shots smith and Acy and Dally and Amare are getting are Bargnani's cookies

first of all Jason Smith had 10 points last night...not 17

and he took 12 shots to get those 10 points. For 2 point novak who only takes wideopen shots and for someone who is a butcher defensively that wide open mid range shot better be going in at a 60-70% clip.

40% for wide open shots is awful.

I could of made 5-12 last night. All his shots are wide open

Now someone like Melo will shoot lower because he is asked to take contested shots. And even Melo shot 58% last night.

oh , Im misread

it was JR who had 17. actually 19

it just said Smith on the board

[NOOB77]

Whats up with Gerald Henderson? Did you fall out of favor in Charlotte? I noticed he was only playing like 15 minutes a game. I would call them up and offer JR Smith for Gerald Henderson.

[NoLayupRule]

by the way, for the tank brigade

we are currently the 4th worst team in the league above LAL, Den and Phili

only slightly worse than the likes of Utah, Orl, Mini and Det


I wonder if any tank commanders think we will realistically continue to be worse than Mini, Orl and Det


Den has to get better than they are, they have no excuse

plus they play us on Sun

[moocow007]

by the way, for the tank brigade

we are currently the 4th worst team in the league above LAL, Den and Phili

only slightly worse than the likes of Utah, Orl, Mini and Det


I wonder if any tank commanders think we will realistically continue to be worse than Mini, Orl and Det


Den has to get better than they are, they have no excuse

plus they play us on Sun

Most likely no. We will be better than those teams.

[L3BJsIx]

by the way, for the tank brigade

we are currently the 4th worst team in the league above LAL, Den and Phili

only slightly worse than the likes of Utah, Orl, Mini and Det


I wonder if any tank commanders think we will realistically continue to be worse than Mini, Orl and Det


Den has to get better than they are, they have no excuse

plus they play us on Sun

Most likely no. We will be better than those teams.

Oladipo is still to return for Orlando, arguably their best player. They might not suck.

[moocow007]

by the way, for the tank brigade

we are currently the 4th worst team in the league above LAL, Den and Phili

only slightly worse than the likes of Utah, Orl, Mini and Det


I wonder if any tank commanders think we will realistically continue to be worse than Mini, Orl and Det


Den has to get better than they are, they have no excuse

plus they play us on Sun

Most likely no. We will be better than those teams.

Oladipo is still to return for Orlando, arguably their best player. They might not suck.

They might not. But history says that they probably still will. Not saying it's a gurantee mind you and by no means am I saying the Knicks are great (or even all that good).

[Knicks_Fan2]

Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA · 2h 2 hours ago
Knicks on pace for lowest free throw/field-goal attempt ratio in league history: http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... er_by=wins …

We need to, whenever are roster is complete, make our offense isn't functioning as it is...where the best available shot is always a mid range jumper. Just bails the defense out every freaking play.

[DaGawd]

by the way, for the tank brigade

we are currently the 4th worst team in the league above LAL, Den and Phili

only slightly worse than the likes of Utah, Orl, Mini and Det


I wonder if any tank commanders think we will realistically continue to be worse than Mini, Orl and Det


Den has to get better than they are, they have no excuse

plus they play us on Sun

minny is very young and talented. Missing rubio right now but I can def see them being better than us. Same with Orlando once Victor comes back. Denver I refuse to believe will stay this terrible for the entire season too many 2 way nice all around players. Detroit..eh I think stan finds a way to get em hovering around 9th seed and a possible playoff spot. Lakers and Knicks in the same boat imo... Both have 1 great player and a bunch of one dimensional talentless scrubs. No one is touching Philly's tank... that **** is indestructable. We can very realistically stay where we are in the current tank standings IMHO.

[moocow007]

Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA · 2h 2 hours ago
Knicks on pace for lowest free throw/field-goal attempt ratio in league history: http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... er_by=wins …

We need to, whenever are roster is complete, make our offense isn't functioning as it is...where the best available shot is always a mid range jumper. Just bails the defense out every freaking play.

And just as an FYI...both the Bulls and the Lakers championship teams were among the league leaders (highest) in free throw/field-goal attempts. So it's not "normal" for the Triangle if anyone is wondering.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA · 2h 2 hours ago
Knicks on pace for lowest free throw/field-goal attempt ratio in league history: http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... er_by=wins …

We need to, whenever are roster is complete, make our offense isn't functioning as it is...where the best available shot is always a mid range jumper. Just bails the defense out every freaking play.

Like I said in the game thread yesterday -- we are a jump shooting team without any consistent shooters. The thing is, we have nobody really who can get to the FT line on a consistent basis besides Melo...we're **** either way. You're 100% right though that the jumper bails the defense out. We at least need to put pressure on them by attacking. Not only will it open up the mid range jumper and other shots, but it will put the onus on the refs to call a foul.

[moocow007]

Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA · 2h 2 hours ago
Knicks on pace for lowest free throw/field-goal attempt ratio in league history: http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... er_by=wins …

We need to, whenever are roster is complete, make our offense isn't functioning as it is...where the best available shot is always a mid range jumper. Just bails the defense out every freaking play.

Like I said in the game thread yesterday -- we are a jump shooting team without any consistent shooters. The thing is, we have nobody really who can get to the FT line on a consistent basis besides Melo...we're **** either way. You're 100% right though that the jumper bails the defense out. We at least need to put pressure on them by attacking. Not only will it open up the mid range jumper and other shots, but it will put the onus on the refs to call a foul.

Anthony needs to attack more and settle for 3's less. Puts pressure on the defense, gets them into foul trouble and slows down the opposing teams defense and energy.

[nykballa2k4]

Jason Smith makes Amare look like Bill Russell. WTF was Phil thinking? What were we thinking? As I recall, most of this board really liked that signing.

We heard that he played defense and was a good rebounder.

[Moose]

To those who said we need to keep JR and that this team will win 50+ games...

...thanks for playing.

[Fat Kat]

Jason Smith makes Amare look like Bill Russell. WTF was Phil thinking? What were we thinking? As I recall, most of this board really liked that signing.

We heard that he played defense and was a good rebounder.

Who said that?

[HarthorneWingo]

Jason Smith makes Amare look like Bill Russell. WTF was Phil thinking? What were we thinking? As I recall, most of this board really liked that signing.

We heard that he played defense and was a good rebounder.

Then we got schnookered. No wait, PHIL got schnookered.

hehe