Trade Idea Thread II

[QRich3]

What can we offer them that an imploding team might be looking for though? I don't think we can sell them on that one day when Bullock scored a lot of threes

[TucsonClip]

Here are some options...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2265793-5-players-the-los-angeles-clippers-are-most-likely-to-target-in-a-potential-trad

[QRich3]

Here are some options...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2265793-5-players-the-los-angeles-clippers-are-most-likely-to-target-in-a-potential-trad

I'd say a hard no to Datome and Brewer. Datome isn't gonna give us anything better than what we have, and Brewer is one of the most selfish players in the league on both ends. He might look like a hustle guy that gives effort on defense but all that effort is just selfish gambles and pointless roaming that really hurt team defense. He's also the poster boy for brickin corner threes, even current Barnes is a better shooter than him.

Shumpert would be nice, but I'm not sure if I'd give Bullock for him already. Bullock might end up being just a better shooting Shumpert, and he's on a rookie deal for longer. I'd rather see what we have on Reggie, even at the risk of him not panning out.

I'd definitely do the Crawford-Barnes for Afflalo-Gee deal, I' don't think the Nuggets would though. Green would be ok too, nothing too exciting, but I'd do it for Barnes-Wilcox. Again, not sure the Suns do it.

[TucsonClip]

I would be interested in Datome, as he would provide us with more outside shooting at SF and would probable cost the least.

Brewer would be on my list just because he helps in transition and would finally give us some size at SF to platoon.

I think the Afflalo and Green deals are questionable as well, but would be two I pursue and see if I can offer something that comes close or consider a potential 3 way, depending on their wants and needs. I am not really that interested I dealing Crawford, but that is likely what it will take to upgrade enough at SF.

[TucsonClip]

Also, lets not forget that Ray Allen is still on the market. a 2 for 1 deal for a perimeter defender leaves a roster spot open to sign Ray Ray.

[LACtdom]

What about Evan Turner, he has been playing great so far this season.

[Ranma]

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Marc Stein, ESPN (11/16/14)

Sources told ESPN.com that the Cleveland Cavaliers and Houston Rockets have emerged as the most serious suitors for Brewer, whose arrival would be a notable boost for either team in terms of depth.

Minnesota is believed to be seeking future assets in exchange for Brewer as it tries to accelerate its rebuilding effort in the wake of trading star power forward Kevin Love to the Cavaliers in August. Both Cleveland and Houston possess a trade exception large enough to absorb Brewer's $4.7 million salary, meaning that both teams would likely be able to acquire Brewer by merely surrendering future draft compensation and without giving up any key players.

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[Lindecision]

We're at that point. I've seen enough to know that we aren't getting better without a trade. Teams have figured out our spacing and how to guard us. The coaching isn't good enough to compensate for it anymore.

Clippers get Jeff Green
Raptors get JJ Reick
Celtics get Barnes, Fields and the Raptors 2015 1st

Also, lets not forget that Ray Allen is still on the market. a 2 for 1 deal for a perimeter defender leaves a roster spot open to sign Ray Ray.

That would be awesome!

[QRich3]

I wouldn't give up on Redick yet, since his skillset on offense is not easy to replace and he doesn't need to touch the ball much to score well, which is a great fit with our top 2 players, both great playmakers. I'd definitely have traded Jamal by now, even if we didn't get much value for him. He takes the ball away from better players than him and is a moving target on defense that opposing teams exploit all the time. If we need a ball handler on the 2nd unit we can use Redick in that role, he's always been good at it. I think I'd trade Crawford for a trade exception at this point.

I'm on the fence about DJ at the moment. He doesn't seem like he'll ever figure out how to be a defensive anchor, he's actually regressed quite a bit on that aspect, and he's a bad fit with Blake on offense, occupying the same space Blake needs to be effective. We got by last year because of great passing and offensive talent, but now that we have a hole at SF and Redick isn't playing well, it's becoming more apparent that forcing Blake out of the paint hurts us a lot. On top of that, we're gonna have to give Jordan a max extension for all of that. I'm starting to think that we should send him out while his value appears high. Maybe get a good SF for him, try to get by with Hawes (and another bench defender) at C for this season and the next, and go hard at some good C in 2016 when we'll probably have capspace.

[TucsonClip]

Kirilenko is out of the rotation right now in Brooklyn. At least he could platoon at SF with CDR out and would give us some length and size. Not much of a solution, but could be a cheap fix for the time being.

[nickhx2]

he'd be pretty swell but how do the salaries work? isn't he making like 3-4m? i'm sure brooklyn wouldn't mind taking back some combination of bullock/wilcox if they aren't playing AK at all.

[Wammy Giveaway]

The only thing they can do right now to get a roster spot open is to waive Jared Cunningham, since his contract is still non-guaranteed. Andrei Kirilenko is a $3.3 million guy, and the combined value of Reggie Bullock and C.J. Wilcox is a million short.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=k3n7awr

Trading for Kirilenko will require Matt Barnes and a draft pick.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kf5ljgq

The only way I see Kirilenko leaving is if he and the Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov are at a divide.

[LACtdom]

AK has had injury concerns for the past 3 years. This trade could backfire badly if we gave up Barnes. Would mean a rotation of Bullock/Hedo or giving crawford even more time at the 3.

[Quake Griffin]

something sooner rather than later please. I'd rather this dream get a chance to jell than trying to snag someone after the ASB and trying to make it work.


i wanted to sign Thabo in the offseason.
his deal is cheap, Atlanta sucks....why wouldn't they deal him to us?

I think we have enough assets to get him and a Wilson Chandler....BOTH.
and they could solve a lot of issues for us.

[Lindecision]

I wouldn't give up on Redick yet, since his skillset on offense is not easy to replace and he doesn't need to touch the ball much to score well, which is a great fit with our top 2 players, both great playmakers. I'd definitely have traded Jamal by now, even if we didn't get much value for him. He takes the ball away from better players than him and is a moving target on defense that opposing teams exploit all the time. If we need a ball handler on the 2nd unit we can use Redick in that role, he's always been good at it. I think I'd trade Crawford for a trade exception at this point.

I'm on the fence about DJ at the moment. He doesn't seem like he'll ever figure out how to be a defensive anchor, he's actually regressed quite a bit on that aspect, and he's a bad fit with Blake on offense, occupying the same space Blake needs to be effective. We got by last year because of great passing and offensive talent, but now that we have a hole at SF and Redick isn't playing well, it's becoming more apparent that forcing Blake out of the paint hurts us a lot. On top of that, we're gonna have to give Jordan a max extension for all of that. I'm starting to think that we should send him out while his value appears high. Maybe get a good SF for him, try to get by with Hawes (and another bench defender) at C for this season and the next, and go hard at some good C in 2016 when we'll probably have capspace.

I disagree with your take on Redick and Jamal. Its not that I'm giving up on him as I would ideally like to keep both AND have a true SF, but if I could only keep one of them I would keep Jamal. They're both bad defenders. They're both hot and cold as shooters. So they're similar in that sense. But Redick is ONLY a shooter. A lights out shooter on his night, but nothing more. Definitely not a ball handler like Jamal is. Redick is one dimensional in that sense. Shooters can be replaced. What you can't replace is someone like Jamal who has multiple facets to his game.

Jamal just offers more. He scores more and assists more. He's a ball handler and can create his own shot. Yes, he's not as good of a shooter, but he can also have nights where he's lights out too. Jamal has more of those nights anyway. I mean its not like Redick is THAT much better of a shooter to make me say to myself "Oh my god why the hell would I trade Redick before Jamal?" We need that 2nd creator on the ball more than we need a shooting specialist so we don't over rely on CP off the dribble. Jamal's contract also allows for better flexibility going forward as its unguaranteed and expiring next year. Redick's contract is a year longer, its fully guaranteed and has a 5% trade kicker.

I'm confused at how you think DJ has regressed as a defensive anchor. He hasn't had time to. He's only improved since Doc came in, and that's only been one season. But with DJ its just so unlikely that he would be traded. We would have to be horrendous. We would have to be outside the playoff picture looking in for that to happen. It would be equivalent to blowing it up. The team's identity changes with a trade like that. He is our most valuable asset though. He will net us the highest return. Horford and Carroll is a DJ package that's been out there a while now. Its interesting to think about.

[QRich3]

I disagree with your take on Redick and Jamal. Its not that I'm giving up on him as I would ideally like to keep both AND have a true SF, but if I could only keep one of them I would keep Jamal. They're both bad defenders. They're both hot and cold as shooters. So they're similar in that sense. But Redick is ONLY a shooter. A lights out shooter on his night, but nothing more. Definitely not a ball handler like Jamal is. Redick is one dimensional in that sense. Shooters can be replaced. What you can't replace is someone like Jamal who has multiple facets to his game.

Jamal just offers more. He scores more and assists more. He's a ball handler and can create his own shot. Yes, he's not as good of a shooter, but he can also have nights where he's lights out too. Jamal has more of those nights anyway. I mean its not like Redick is THAT much better of a shooter to make me say to myself "Oh my god why the hell would I trade Redick before Jamal?" We need that 2nd creator on the ball more than we need a shooting specialist so we don't over rely on CP off the dribble. Jamal's contract also allows for better flexibility going forward as its unguaranteed and expiring next year. Redick's contract is a year longer, its fully guaranteed and has a 5% trade kicker.

Oh you're selling Redick really short there, it's one thing that he plays off the ball for us, but he's always been an excellent ball handler, way before he came here. He's a great passer and a great all around offensive player, not a one dimensional guy at all. Crawford, on the other hand, is as one dimensional as it gets. Yeah, he's a ball handler, but most of that ball handling results in him creating a shot for himself, shots that he converts at an average efficiency, while JJ is near top of the league efficiency-wise nearly every season. Advanced stats have always put Redick as one of the 30-40 more impactful offensive players in the league, while there's been a few studies on Crawford that put in doubt that he's even a net positive on offense. "He can have nights where he goes off" is not that good of a thing when you average them all and see he's not really very efficient overall. Yesterday he pretty much sucked, but we still looked like world beaters on offense. I'd really love to see what this offense can do without him.

Further than that, there's the fit, like I said on my previous post, we have 2 of the very best offensive players in the game in Paul and Griffin, and both are playmakers and guys that need the ball in their hands a lot. To maximize their skills, we need to surround them with players that can finish the plays they create at a good rate, while not needing the ball in their hands (like Redick and Jordan), instead of having a guy that hogs the ball all the time and might not even be a net positive on all those possessions he takes.

When we're talking about defense, both are similarly bad, but you rarely see opposing offenses purposely attacking JJ every possession, that's because he's not good at stopping his guy, but he's always there to contest and help, he shows effort and that gives the perception that he doesn't allow easy shots (even if when they shoot against his contesting they usually make it), so most offenses don't have him as a weak link. Crawford on the other hand, it's pretty common that our opponents keep forcing his guy against him, even if we hide him on the opponent's worst offensive player. We've seen that countless times.

There's also the thing that Crawford's contract is unguaranteed, therefore easier to move, so he might have slighty more trade value.

I'm confused at how you think DJ has regressed as a defensive anchor. He hasn't had time to. He's only improved since Doc came in, and that's only been one season. But with DJ its just so unlikely that he would be traded. We would have to be horrendous. We would have to be outside the playoff picture looking in for that to happen. It would be equivalent to blowing it up. The team's identity changes with a trade like that. He is our most valuable asset though. He will net us the highest return. Horford and Carroll is a DJ package that's been out there a while now. Its interesting to think about.

Oh it's been a common observation this season, it's not just something I made up, DJ has been back to his old habits of trying to block everything and going for the highlight play, leaving the basket open for every guy that can do a pump fake. He's actually never been good as a defensive anchor, not last year and definitely not before that, or this year. He's not fast or precise on help defense, he has trouble keeping attention on long possessions and he's never been good at positioning himself when the opposing team moves the ball well. Last year we allowed less points when he sat on the bench than when he was on the court, even more so in the playoffs. He's good at some stuff, he's a great shot blocker, he can hold his own with little guys 1 on 1 and he's become good at trapping the P&R, but the main qualities that a defensive anchor needs to have (i.e. poise, good footwork and ability to make quick decisions when rotating), he's always been pretty bad at those.

We are the third best team at not allowing a lot of shots at the rim, and that means our guards don't actually do that bad of a job at allowing penetration. But the ones we allow, we are near the bottom of the league, allowing them to score on 54.8% of those shots. That's mainly on DJ and unacceptable for a guy with his athletic ability and his shot blocking skills. He just needs to pay attention and focus to be in the right spot and our defense would be so much better.

It's true that I was panicking a little bit after a few games where we played horribly, but if he doesn't figure things out, our ceiling is really low. There's just no way for a team that is in the bottom 3rd of defensive efficiency to make any noise in the post-season, just unthinkable. Even the Nash-Stoudemire Suns were just average on defense, and we're much worse than that these days. I'm starting to wonder at what point do we give up on him and realize we need a true defensive anchor if we want to do something.

[Quake Griffin]

I disagree with your take on Redick and Jamal. Its not that I'm giving up on him as I would ideally like to keep both AND have a true SF, but if I could only keep one of them I would keep Jamal. They're both bad defenders. They're both hot and cold as shooters. So they're similar in that sense. But Redick is ONLY a shooter. A lights out shooter on his night, but nothing more. Definitely not a ball handler like Jamal is. Redick is one dimensional in that sense. Shooters can be replaced. What you can't replace is someone like Jamal who has multiple facets to his game.

Jamal just offers more. He scores more and assists more. He's a ball handler and can create his own shot. Yes, he's not as good of a shooter, but he can also have nights where he's lights out too. Jamal has more of those nights anyway. I mean its not like Redick is THAT much better of a shooter to make me say to myself "Oh my god why the hell would I trade Redick before Jamal?" We need that 2nd creator on the ball more than we need a shooting specialist so we don't over rely on CP off the dribble. Jamal's contract also allows for better flexibility going forward as its unguaranteed and expiring next year. Redick's contract is a year longer, its fully guaranteed and has a 5% trade kicker.

Oh you're selling Redick really short there, it's one thing that he plays off the ball for us, but he's always been an excellent ball handler, way before he came here. He's a great passer and a great all around offensive player, not a one dimensional guy at all. Crawford, on the other hand, is as one dimensional as it gets. Yeah, he's a ball handler, but most of that ball handling results in him creating a shot for himself, shots that he converts at an average efficiency, while JJ is near top of the league efficiency-wise nearly every season. Advanced stats have always put Redick as one of the 30-40 more impactful offensive players in the league, while there's been a few studies on Crawford that put in doubt that he's even a net positive on offense. "He can have nights where he goes off" is not that good of a thing when you average them all and see he's not really very efficient overall. Yesterday he pretty much sucked, but we still looked like world beaters on offense. I'd really love to see what this offense can do without him.

Further than that, there's the fit, like I said on my previous post, we have 2 of the very best offensive players in the game in Paul and Griffin, and both are playmakers and guys that need the ball in their hands a lot. To maximize their skills, we need to surround them with players that can finish the plays they create at a good rate, while not needing the ball in their hands (like Redick and Jordan), instead of having a guy that hogs the ball all the time and might not even be a net positive on all those possessions he takes.

When we're talking about defense, both are similarly bad, but you rarely see opposing offenses purposely attacking JJ every possession, that's because he's not good at stopping his guy, but he's always there to contest and help, he shows effort and that gives the perception that he doesn't allow easy shots (even if when they shoot against his contesting they usually make it), so most offenses don't have him as a weak link. Crawford on the other hand, it's pretty common that our opponents keep forcing his guy against him, even if we hide him on the opponent's worst offensive player. We've seen that countless times.

There's also the thing that Crawford's contract is unguaranteed, therefore easier to move, so he might have slighty more trade value.

I'm confused at how you think DJ has regressed as a defensive anchor. He hasn't had time to. He's only improved since Doc came in, and that's only been one season. But with DJ its just so unlikely that he would be traded. We would have to be horrendous. We would have to be outside the playoff picture looking in for that to happen. It would be equivalent to blowing it up. The team's identity changes with a trade like that. He is our most valuable asset though. He will net us the highest return. Horford and Carroll is a DJ package that's been out there a while now. Its interesting to think about.

Oh it's been a common observation this season, it's not just something I made up, DJ has been back to his old habits of trying to block everything and going for the highlight play, leaving the basket open for every guy that can do a pump fake. He's actually never been good as a defensive anchor, not last year and definitely not before that, or this year. He's not fast or precise on help defense, he has trouble keeping attention on long possessions and he's never been good at positioning himself when the opposing team moves the ball well. Last year we allowed less points when he sat on the bench than when he was on the court, even more so in the playoffs. He's good at some stuff, he's a great shot blocker, he can hold his own with little guys 1 on 1 and he's become good at trapping the P&R, but the main qualities that a defensive anchor needs to have (i.e. poise, good footwork and ability to make quick decisions when rotating), he's always been pretty bad at those.

We are the third best team at not allowing a lot of shots at the rim, and that means our guards don't actually do that bad of a job at allowing penetration. But the ones we allow, we are near the bottom of the league, allowing them to score on 54.8% of those shots. That's mainly on DJ and unacceptable for a guy with his athletic ability and his shot blocking skills. He just needs to pay attention and focus to be in the right spot and our defense would be so much better.

It's true that I was panicking a little bit after a few games where we played horribly, but if he doesn't figure things out, our ceiling is really low. There's just no way for a team that is in the bottom 3rd of defensive efficiency to make any noise in the post-season, just unthinkable. Even the Nash-Stoudemire Suns were just average on defense, and we're much worse than that these days. I'm starting to wonder at what point do we give up on him and realize we need a true defensive anchor if we want to do something.

yup

[TucsonClip]

There is nobody on the roster that can create the action off the ball as well as Redick does. They are two completely different players. Redick has gravity every time he moves around the floor or comes off a pin down. He also has historically been a good secondary ball handler, which we havent seen as much of this season.

Crawford is great at creating his own shot, but Redick works within the flow of our starting five so well. He just hasnt shot the ball well this season and our movement offensively has been nonexistent outside the last two games.

[kylem4711]

heard a rumor that we would trade deandre for al horford and demarre carrol.

Personally, i would do that. while boring, i love horfords game.

[Quake Griffin]

heard a rumor that we would trade deandre for al horford and demarre carrol.

Personally, i would do that. while boring, i love horfords game.

link?

huge fan of horford here....but I know he's torn his pec twice and missed the season for it or something like that.