Knicks Vs. Magic PG Discomfiture

Bklyn&company · Post #381 » by **Bklyn&company** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:31 pm

Ok everyone this is Jason Smith in a nut shell.... Dude is a one trick pony, a jump shooting big, can't do anything else on offense except a pick and with terrible man defense (because of bad knees, etc...His defense is fouling his man). Thats it...

Next, we are shooting too many damn jump shots. The triangle calls for some jumpers but I notice we totally missing the cutters and/or the cut man(blind pig) is fu*king jogging on the cut. The coaches must start to get into these guys. Too much smiley face, we are learning excuses... Fisher clapping Bullsh*t....

Our rotation and lineup suck (this is the coaches fault), I don't care... there is no reason to have two of your worse defensive bigmen playing in games together for long periods at a time... Fu*king coaches, you got to know your team strenghts and weakness. Us knicks fans know you dont play Amare and Jason Smith together, you try to avoid it as much as possible. Your best defenders are suppose to be on the floor most of the time. Thats how you win games. Acy and Cole should be getting PT in front of Jason Smith. Defense wins games.

Notice since Acy, Cole and Wear haven't been getting playing time lately we have been on this loosing streak... just saying, Defense Wins games. The hard workers and grinders are going to win games for you not the jump shooting bigs who can't guard anything. You can't always do something about offense but you sure can do something about defense. Where's JVG? LOL

god shammgod · Post #382 » by **god shammgod** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:34 pm

ORANGEandBLUE wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA · 2h 2 hours ago
Knicks on pace for lowest free throw/field-goal attempt ratio in league history: http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... er_by=wins …

We need to, whenever are roster is complete, make our offense isn't functioning as it is...where the best available shot is always a mid range jumper. Just bails the defense out every freaking play.

Clyde summed it up perfectly last night.. our guards are contend to just meander around the perimeter. They love to just dribble lackadaisically side to side and eventually hoist up hero J's. The best way for Phil to make it loud and clear that this BS is not acceptable is to get rid of the main culprit: JR Smith, who probably holds the record in all of league history for ratio of athleticism to FT attempts.

It's not about lack of talent. Shump and THJ are nice first steps and can get into the paint. But they're playing for a franchise that has basically carved out an identity over the past 15 years of being a haven for any player in the league that just wants to dribble aimlessly, jab step, and shoot jumpers. So it's not surprising they think it's OK to do the same.

believe it or not, the knicks actually miss felton's ability to constantly get into the lane and attack the basket.

KnIcKsYaNkSmEtS1127 · Post #383 » by **KnIcKsYaNkSmEtS1127** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:36 pm

Last nights game came down to 3 things. 1) Rebounding-we really need a big man who can board with the big boys. We easily get boxed out and most of the time stand there and stare at each other. Rebounding has been an issue since Lee was traded for a bag of donuts. 2) Playing Jason Smith down the stretch. I love the guy but he can't get more than 15-20 mins a night he's not athletic enough to be in crunch time. He doesn't defend and doesn't rebound. He was gassed by the time he was put back in. Amare would have given us more offensively and isn't any worse than JS on the boards or defensively. 3) JR Smith- I can blame Fisher for playing Jason Smith over Amare but if you watched during the tineout Fisher drew up a play and JR decided to be JR and do whatever he wanted to do. He rushed a 25 foot three when all we needed was a 2 to tie the game. Ball should have went to Melo or Amare in that situation. Shump and Hardaway should be above JR in the rotation.

ORANGEandBLUE · Post #384 » by **ORANGEandBLUE** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:39 pm

god shammgod wrote:
believe it or not, the knicks actually miss felton's ability to constantly get into the lane and attack the basket.

Well yeah, except Felton did a pretty poor job of that last year and he's yet another guy who you can tell gets that extra kick when one of his silly fall-away jumpers finds the net.

Post #385 » by **GONYK** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:39 pm

god shammgod wrote:
ORANGEandBLUE wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA · 2h 2 hours ago
Knicks on pace for lowest free throw/field-goal attempt ratio in league history: http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... er_by=wins …

We need to, whenever are roster is complete, make our offense isn't functioning as it is...where the best available shot is always a mid range jumper. Just bails the defense out every freaking play.

Clyde summed it up perfectly last night.. our guards are contend to just meander around the perimeter. They love to just dribble lackadaisically side to side and eventually hoist up hero J's. The best way for Phil to make it loud and clear that this BS is not acceptable is to get rid of the main culprit: JR Smith, who probably holds the record in all of league history for ratio of athleticism to FT attempts.

It's not about lack of talent. Shump and THJ are nice first steps and can get into the paint. But they're playing for a franchise that has basically carved out an identity over the past 15 years of being a haven for any player in the league that just wants to dribble aimlessly, jab step, and shoot jumpers. So it's not surprising they think it's OK to do the same.

believe it or not, the knicks actually miss felton's ability to constantly get into the lane and attack the basket.

This didn't happen nearly as often as you're making it seem

Post #386 » by **mpharris36** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:40 pm

god shammgod wrote:
believe it or not, the knicks actually miss felton's ability to constantly get into the lane and attack the basket.

Post #387 » by **mpharris36** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:44 pm

this Raymond felton........maybe

this Raymond felton..........**** no

god shammgod · Post #388 » by **god shammgod** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:45 pm

GONYK wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
ORANGEandBLUE wrote:Clyde summed it up perfectly last night.. our guards are contend to just meander around the perimeter. They love to just dribble lackadaisically side to side and eventually hoist up hero J's. The best way for Phil to make it loud and clear that this BS is not acceptable is to get rid of the main culprit: JR Smith, who probably holds the record in all of league history for ratio of athleticism to FT attempts.

It's not about lack of talent. Shump and THJ are nice first steps and can get into the paint. But they're playing for a franchise that has basically carved out an identity over the past 15 years of being a haven for any player in the league that just wants to dribble aimlessly, jab step, and shoot jumpers. So it's not surprising they think it's OK to do the same.

believe it or not, the knicks actually miss felton's ability to constantly get into the lane and attack the basket.

This didn't happen nearly as often as you're making it seem

maybe constantly is an exaggeration. but on a team where nobody really did it, he did. and a lot of times he'd throw up those dumb floaters but he was heading towards the basket. i'm not missing him, but someone needs to do it now that he's not here.

Post #389 » by **kane2021** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:45 pm

Game pissed me off. I feel like fisher made another mistake with his late game subs in this game. Pulling melo when he got his 5th. I think it was a 2 point game at the time. And we were gaining momentum. Just to be blunt. Its stupid to pull your best guy, your only hope, when you are finally starting to roll. (and melo was feeling it)

You got to stick with your guy there. If he fouls out then so be it. Would have rather had carmelo keep pushing during our period of momentum and risk him fouling out in exchange for a chance to use momentum and the hot hand to gain the lead. Than sit him for 2 minutes and lose all momentum. 2nd game in a row I didnt like his late game subbing and felt it cost us. This time was a panic move and really kinda stupid.

Post #390 » by **GONYK** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:46 pm

Why would anybody miss anybody?

This season is judged on progression, not W's and L's. Who cares about what any former player provided?

Phil will probably start swinging the axe in a month though, so really, who cares right now?

Post #391 » by **mpharris36** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:47 pm

GONYK wrote:Why would anybody miss anybody?

This season is judged on progression, not W's and L's. Who cares about what any former player provided?

Phil will probably start swinging the axe in a month though, so really, who cares right now?

I'll take it one further...

who cares about most of the current players we have.

A good majority wont be back next year, some might not make a couple more months.

Dr. Detfink · Post #392 » by **Dr. Detfink** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:47 pm

You're not going to find a cutter on the Knicks because none of those players want to risk getting hurt. That's fine with a perimeter game IF you have a legit post up man.

Go back to Barkley's 1992 Phoenix Suns team. Chuck was PUNISHING defenders using that big a$$ to shove them back towards the basket until a man came open or he could put the ball in. He later confessed he studied McHale and modified his game to be closer to that style.

Post #393 » by **GONYK** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:48 pm

god shammgod wrote:
GONYK wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
believe it or not, the knicks actually miss felton's ability to constantly get into the lane and attack the basket.

This didn't happen nearly as often as you're making it seem

maybe constantly is an exaggeration. but on a team where nobody really did it, he did. and a lot of times he'd throw up those dumb floaters but he was heading towards the basket. i'm not missing him, but someone needs to do it now that he's not here.

Honestly, Melo should be doing it

god shammgod · Post #394 » by **god shammgod** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:49 pm

i understand what you're saying but i watch games rooting for wins. i can't detach myself in that way. i also don't see much progress.

Post #395 » by **GONYK** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:51 pm

god shammgod wrote:i understand what you're saying but i watch games rooting for wins. i can't detach myself in that way. i also don't see much progress.

It's been 2 weeks. Realistically, what progress were you expecting from a rookie coach and a roster of castoffs in that time, especially without a starting PG?

HarthorneWingo · Post #396 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:51 pm

god shammgod wrote:
ORANGEandBLUE wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA · 2h 2 hours ago
Knicks on pace for lowest free throw/field-goal attempt ratio in league history: http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... er_by=wins …

We need to, whenever are roster is complete, make our offense isn't functioning as it is...where the best available shot is always a mid range jumper. Just bails the defense out every freaking play.

Clyde summed it up perfectly last night.. our guards are contend to just meander around the perimeter. They love to just dribble lackadaisically side to side and eventually hoist up hero J's. The best way for Phil to make it loud and clear that this BS is not acceptable is to get rid of the main culprit: JR Smith, who probably holds the record in all of league history for ratio of athleticism to FT attempts.

It's not about lack of talent. Shump and THJ are nice first steps and can get into the paint. But they're playing for a franchise that has basically carved out an identity over the past 15 years of being a haven for any player in the league that just wants to dribble aimlessly, jab step, and shoot jumpers. So it's not surprising they think it's OK to do the same.

believe it or not, the knicks actually miss felton's ability to constantly get into the lane and attack the basket.

You must be thinking about Felton 1.0, The D'Antoni Years (make that months).

HarthorneWingo · Post #397 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:53 pm

GONYK wrote:
god shammgod wrote:i understand what you're saying but i watch games rooting for wins. i can't detach myself in that way. i also don't see much progress.

It's been 2 weeks. Realistically, what progress were you expecting from a rookie coach and a roster of castoffs in that time, especially without a starting PG?

This is the issue.

But I resent you leaving out Barnyawny.

Post #398 » by **mpharris36** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:54 pm

GONYK wrote:
god shammgod wrote:i understand what you're saying but i watch games rooting for wins. i can't detach myself in that way. i also don't see much progress.

It's been 2 weeks. Realistically, what progress were you expecting from a rookie coach and a roster of castoffs in that time, especially without a starting PG?

you want an honest answer

less JR and Amare. Those are previous regime players

More Cole and maybe Cleanthony Early.

That would make me feel a lot better. Especially if you keep saying that wins and losses don't count. Why do we care how those two bums play?

ORANGEandBLUE · Post #399 » by **ORANGEandBLUE** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:55 pm

GONYK wrote:[
Honestly, Melo should be doing it

It's gotta be multiple guys. The guy who catches on the weak side needs to immediately put the ball on the floor and keep the action moving, and so on and so forth. That is how good offenses work in today's NBA. You can't have guys missing a beat while they hold the ball and size up their defender and assess whether they're "feeling it" enough to just launch a silly jumper. Part of it is guys just not knowing the scheme enough to quickly identify where the lanes and seams are. But part of it is also the mindset that as a guard for this team, driving into the paint is optional and everybody should get their turn to imitate Melo.

god shammgod · Post #400 » by **god shammgod** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:56 pm

GONYK wrote:
god shammgod wrote:i understand what you're saying but i watch games rooting for wins. i can't detach myself in that way. i also don't see much progress.

It's been 2 weeks. Realistically, what progress were you expecting from a rookie coach and a roster of castoffs in that time, especially without a starting PG?

maybe stop treating the regular season like pre season. how can you progress if you try something new every 5 minutes ? you do the same thing over and over until you're good at it. that's how you progress in anything.