Knicks Vs. Magic PG Discomfiture

[GONYK]

and can we please, I mean please talk to our players about reaching in?

how ever thought that was a legit way to play defense. You stay in front of your man but you don't reach.

Maybe later in the quarter you can be more aggressive. But picking up 2-3 fouls in the first couple minutes is awful defending. Shumpert is one of the main culperates. Dude has played great this year but stop f*cking reaching. Your reaching means you are in foul trouble and play less minutes. Which means that I have to see more of that STIFF JR

Completely agree. Fish has to fix that in practice.

[Rasho Brezec]

We gotta be realistic hear.

We are signing someone big this offseason. You can put that in the bank.

[mpharris36]

To those who said we need to keep JR and that this team will win 50+ games...

...thanks for playing.

So JR Smith is responsible for the rest of the teams play last night? He's responsible for no defensive effort across the board? He's responsible for Hardaway going 1-8? Did he untie everyone's shoes? You can apply that statement still to everyone on the team not named Carmelo Anthony. The game is played across 48 minutes, not across the last 3.8 seconds.

Fisher is responsible for hardaway going 1-8. What coach **** with a young player like that.

You play no minutes in the first half and you start the second half. Come of the bench cold?

He has been pretty clueless with his rotations. No rhyme or reason. There is a reason the good teams have set rotations because everyone knows there role. I don't think anyone but Melo knows where his minutes are coming from and just expect guys to produce cold is awful.

I like accountability but you can't put a guy in there in the 3rd qtr and expect good things when he hasn't played all game.

[mpharris36]

and can we please, I mean please talk to our players about reaching in?

how ever thought that was a legit way to play defense. You stay in front of your man but you don't reach.

Maybe later in the quarter you can be more aggressive. But picking up 2-3 fouls in the first couple minutes is awful defending. Shumpert is one of the main culperates. Dude has played great this year but stop f*cking reaching. Your reaching means you are in foul trouble and play less minutes. Which means that I have to see more of that STIFF JR

Completely agree. Fish has to fix that in practice.

we talked about defense all training camp and was this promoted by fisher?

Because he doesn't seem to be addressing it.

[moocow007]

To those who said we need to keep JR and that this team will win 50+ games...

...thanks for playing.

So JR Smith is responsible for the rest of the teams play last night? He's responsible for no defensive effort across the board? He's responsible for Hardaway going 1-8? Did he untie everyone's shoes? You can apply that statement still to everyone on the team not named Carmelo Anthony. The game is played across 48 minutes, not across the last 3.8 seconds.

Fisher is responsible for hardaway going 1-8. What coach **** with a young player like that.

You play no minutes in the first half and you start the second half. Come of the bench cold?

He has been pretty clueless with his rotations. No rhyme or reason. There is a reason the good teams have set rotations because everyone knows there role. I don't think anyone but Melo knows where his minutes are coming from and just expect guys to produce cold is awful.

I like accountability but you can't put a guy in there in the 3rd qtr and expect good things when he hasn't played all game.

Which is fine. But my point is that JR Smith isn't the only reason the Knicks lost last night and have been losing. 14 other guys plus the entire coaching staff are also responsible. No one, not even Anthony, has been consistently good this season to be excused from contributing to the loses.

[PMFJB]

We must embrace the suck. Tank 2014-2015 in full effect. And we better get a top 3 pick or we are screwed as people are not going to want to come here if Fish keeps changing his lineups every quarter.

[GONYK]

To those who said we need to keep JR and that this team will win 50+ games...

...thanks for playing.

So JR Smith is responsible for the rest of the teams play last night? He's responsible for no defensive effort across the board? He's responsible for Hardaway going 1-8? Did he untie everyone's shoes? You can apply that statement still to everyone on the team not named Carmelo Anthony. The game is played across 48 minutes, not across the last 3.8 seconds.

Fisher is responsible for hardaway going 1-8. What coach **** with a young player like that.

You play no minutes in the first half and you start the second half. Come of the bench cold?

He has been pretty clueless with his rotations. No rhyme or reason. There is a reason the good teams have set rotations because everyone knows there role. I don't think anyone but Melo knows where his minutes are coming from and just expect guys to produce cold is awful.

I like accountability but you can't put a guy in there in the 3rd qtr and expect good things when he hasn't played all game.

I agree Fish needs to find a rotation, but to completely remove all responsibility from THJ isn't right either.

He missed wide open looks. That has nothing to do with his minutes.

It also looked like his pinky on his shooting hand was bothering him.

[god shammgod]

what i object to is the idea that you can attempt to win games and evaluate at the same time. i'm gonna play my veterans because i want to win games but i'm gonna play travis wear in the 2nd quarter because i want to take a look at him. it's a close game after the half and i want to win but i wanna take another look at shump at point with timmy at the 2. oh, it's the 4th quarter ? i wonder what the offense would like with 2 points out there ? ok, it's crunch time, now lets win the game. who the f*ck coaches like this ?

[mpharris36]

Which is fine. But my point is that JR Smith isn't the only reason the Knicks lost last night and have been losing. 14 other guys plus the entire coaching staff are also responsible.

he may not be the only reason we are losing. But it is way more enjoyable to watch the knicks when his ass is planted on the bench.

[Rasho Brezec]

what i object to is the idea that you can attempt to win games and evaluate at the same time. i'm gonna play my veterans because i want to win games but i'm gonna play travis wear in the 2nd quarter because i want to take a look at him. it's a close game after the half and i want to win but i wanna take another look at shump at point with timmy at the 2. oh, it's the 4th quarter ? i wonder what the offense would like with 2 points out there ? ok, it's crunch time, now lets win the game. who the f*ck coaches like this ?

very negative

[PMFJB]

Let's just trade cokehead and Calderon for Eric Gordon.

and then what, murder him so he can't pick up that ridiculous player option, which he will 110% opt into?

Who gives a ****, you clear Calderon's 7.7M in 2016.

Wouldn't mind this at all now that I think about it. Gordon might actually opt out. If he doesn't we still have enough to sign a decent starter. (I think correct me if I am wrong). Then in 2016 we go all in on KD or whoever is left. That class is WAY BETTER than anything in 2015.

Gordon would be our tank commander. We go into 2016 with no one but Melo and a top pick. LETS DO IT!!!

[moocow007]

Right now the team is so terrible that pretty much everyone on the team (both players and coaches) should be the scapegoats (what folks naturally look for) for losing. In fact, if they actually all realize and accept that then maybe we can move forward and everyone take responsibility for the loses and improve.

[mpharris36]

what i object to is the idea that you can attempt to win games and evaluate at the same time. i'm gonna play my veterans because i want to win games but i'm gonna play travis wear in the 2nd quarter because i want to take a look at him. it's a close game after the half and i want to win but i wanna take another look at shump at point with timmy at the 2. oh, it's the 4th quarter ? i wonder what the offense would like with 2 points out there ? ok, it's crunch time, now lets win the game. who the f*ck coaches like this ?

so true

[PMFJB]

what i object to is the idea that you can attempt to win games and evaluate at the same time. i'm gonna play my veterans because i want to win games but i'm gonna play travis wear in the 2nd quarter because i want to take a look at him. it's a close game after the half and i want to win but i wanna take another look at shump at point with timmy at the 2. oh, it's the 4th quarter ? i wonder what the offense would like with 2 points out there ? ok, it's crunch time, now lets win the game. who the f*ck coaches like this ?

No you.

[GONYK]

what i object to is the idea that you can attempt to win games and evaluate at the same time. i'm gonna play my veterans because i want to win games but i'm gonna play travis wear in the 2nd quarter because i want to take a look at him. it's a close game after the half and i want to win but i wanna take another look at shump at point with timmy at the 2. oh, it's the 4th quarter ? i wonder what the offense would like with 2 points out there ? ok, it's crunch time, now lets win the game. who the f*ck coaches like this ?

A man with a sh*tty roster and indisputable job security

[mpharris36]

I agree Fish needs to find a rotation, but to completely remove all responsibility from THJ isn't right either.

He missed wide open looks. That has nothing to do with his minutes.

It also looked like his pinky on his shooting hand was bothering him.

see I disagree a little. THjr is a very rhythmic type basketball player. He isn't your Steve Novak shooter that just can go the whole game without playing and hit an open jumper when you need it.

He needs to be in the flow of the game. And I am not even a THjr fan but you know what. If he has a decent stretch who knows we could possibly send him to a contender looking for cheap scoring off the bench. Maybe get a future draft pick in return.

[moocow007]

Which is fine. But my point is that JR Smith isn't the only reason the Knicks lost last night and have been losing. 14 other guys plus the entire coaching staff are also responsible.

he may not be the only reason we are losing. But it is way more enjoyable to watch the knicks when his ass is planted on the bench.

I don't enjoy watching the team lose. And with him on the bench the team is still going to lose. There is not one person on the team that you can rely on right now to take and make that shot he took last night. And he was actually more productive than most of the other players for most of the game. So not seeing your point here. How is Jason Smith playing his role as the beggar man's Amare Stoudemire enjoyable? How is a guy who's only job and skill is to shoot going 1-8 enjoyable? How is the overall lack of effort especially at the start of the 3rd quarter (which again killed them last night) enjoyable? None of that has anything to do with JR Smith. By your definition joy would almost mean just watching Anthony and Shumpert go 2 on 5 if you want to remove the **** and slackers.

[GONYK]

I agree Fish needs to find a rotation, but to completely remove all responsibility from THJ isn't right either.

He missed wide open looks. That has nothing to do with his minutes.

It also looked like his pinky on his shooting hand was bothering him.

see I disagree a little. THjr is a very rhythmic type basketball player. He isn't your Steve Novak shooter that just can go the whole game without playing and hit an open jumper when you need it.

He needs to be in the flow of the game. And I am not even a THjr fan but you know what. If he has a decent stretch who knows we could possibly send him to a contender looking for cheap scoring off the bench. Maybe get a future draft pick in return.

He better learn to be a microwave then if he's going to be that bad of a defender.

[moocow007]

I agree Fish needs to find a rotation, but to completely remove all responsibility from THJ isn't right either.

He missed wide open looks. That has nothing to do with his minutes.

It also looked like his pinky on his shooting hand was bothering him.

see I disagree a little. THjr is a very rhythmic type basketball player. He isn't your Steve Novak shooter that just can go the whole game without playing and hit an open jumper when you need it.

He needs to be in the flow of the game. And I am not even a THjr fan but you know what. If he has a decent stretch who knows we could possibly send him to a contender looking for cheap scoring off the bench. Maybe get a future draft pick in return.

But that's his job. That's his one skill (shoot). He's a bench player. Not understanding how you are excusing a bench player for not being able to do the one thing he does well, his job, if you don't play him the whole game?

[ag3]

what i object to is the idea that you can attempt to win games and evaluate at the same time. i'm gonna play my veterans because i want to win games but i'm gonna play travis wear in the 2nd quarter because i want to take a look at him. it's a close game after the half and i want to win but i wanna take another look at shump at point with timmy at the 2. oh, it's the 4th quarter ? i wonder what the offense would like with 2 points out there ? ok, it's crunch time, now lets win the game. who the f*ck coaches like this ?

What is there to evaluate?????
The whole team sucks except for Carmelo.
Shumpert needs to play like this all year, before we can say he is any good.

Everyone else sucks.