Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum

[SSOL]

Would anyone consider the green/anderson idea again? Start Kieff at center maybe and anderson at pf

New Orleans wouldn't consider it.

[King4Day]

Would anyone consider the green/anderson idea again? Start Kieff at center maybe and anderson at pf

New Orleans wouldn't consider it.

I haven't followed them but why would that be? Does Anderson just fit them really well? Or do you think Green's value has dropped?

[Revived]

Anderson is on a decent long term contract while Green can walk after this season.

Plus bigs usually always have more trade value than guards and wings.

[JJ13]

Is there any benefit to trading for Greg Monroe (rights-wise)? We need size badddddly and he is tearing it up. Anyone know what his "max" is as UFA this summer? Maybe Pistons will try to get value for him before end of the year. I'd give up Green-Miles-Archie. Worth the risk in my mind.

[asudevil]

Is there any benefit to trading for Greg Monroe (rights-wise)? We need size badddddly and he is tearing it up. Anyone know what his "max" is as UFA this summer? Maybe Pistons will try to get value for him before end of the year. I'd give up Green-Miles-Archie. Worth the risk in my mind.

There is literally no way to resign Monroe after this season without making drastic changes to our current roster. Dragic/Green would have to be renounced at the end of the season to start....and neither would be able to be resigned after that. We'd probably also have to clear even more salary to even of the OPPORTUNITY to resign. He could potentially bail to another FA destination, so there would be no guarantee that he would want to stay with the suns after this season anyways.

[RaisingArizona]

Would anyone consider the green/anderson idea again? Start Kieff at center maybe and anderson at pf

Green saves our @** so many times over the course of a season. I don't think we should be shopping him. The rooks or Mr. 70 million dollar pouter is who we should be looking to move.

[Fo-Real]

December 15 (first opportunity to trade fresh signed players right).... 3 way

Suns send Bled close to home.... Bled+ Plumlee and the Minny Pick to Atl for Horford and either Brand or Antic

Bucks send B. knight J. Henson and filler to Atl for Jeff Teague

Atl sends Horford and Brand/Antic to Phx.... Teague to Mil. recieve Bledso, Knight, Henson, Plumlee, Minny 1st

Suns: Horford + Brand/Antic

Bucks: Teague

Hawks: Bledso, Plumlee, Knight, Henson, Minny 1st

Green plays well with Dragic in a starting role, while Thomas continues to cause havoc off the bench and either Archie or Ennis finally get a chance to play. Obviously huge upgrade at C for us with Horford can help offset the loss of Bledso, and can still develope Len off the bench. Would actually prefer Brand, see if getting hooked up with our med staff could help his movement, he brings vet leadership, rebounding and post scoring even as is.

Dragic, Green, Tucker, Kief, Horford.. as starters Thomas, Archie, Marcus, Brand, Len off the bench. no more Tolliver please!!!! I have had enough!!

[DRK]

Cheap bigs to consider.

Brandon Wright?

Amir Johnson?

Mozgov?

Rolo?

[MrMiyagi]

It's too early for trade mode. Nobody is selling and nobody is buying. Everybody is waiting to see what they've actually got. Except for Philly and the fLakers - both know they're ****, one wants to be and the other thinks they can still improve.

[Frank Lee]

Of course it is early.

However, the Suns are a mediocre streaky team capable of winning/losing any given night. There is no denying we have too many guards, and not enough effective talent at PF/C. Something has to give.

I think it will be Bledsoe.

Who here remembers the enthusiasm and excitement he had returning here? Who here remembers the months he left the organization hanging about his future as a Sun? Who remembers our front office being somewhat forced to react as if Bledsoe was going to be a temporary fixture ? .... drafting Ennis, signing Thomas. Who remembers Thomas elated to be here...Dragic saying he will opt out and re-sign.

Sure, Babby checkmated Bledsoe/Paul into the contract he has, but in the same vein, we also had to ink him to protect an asset. IMO, he is the most valuable trade piece. In both talent and contract. I could easily see a deal like the one above featuring Bled as our big chip. And don't be surprised if the Cavs/James are involved someway.

[NavLDO]

Of course it is early.

However, the Suns are a mediocre streaky team capable of winning/losing any given night. There is no denying we have too many guards, and not enough effective talent at PF/C. Something has to give.

I think it will be Bledsoe.

Who here remembers the enthusiasm and excitement he had returning here? Who here remembers the months he left the organization hanging about his future as a Sun? Who remembers our front office being somewhat forced to react as if Bledsoe was going to be a temporary fixture ? .... drafting Ennis, signing Thomas. Who remembers Thomas elated to be here...Dragic saying he will opt out and re-sign.

Sure, Babby checkmated Bledsoe/Paul into the contract he has, but in the same vein, we also had to ink him to protect an asset. IMO, he is the most valuable trade piece. In both talent and contract. I could easily see a deal like the one above featuring Bled as our big chip. And don't be surprised if the Cavs/James are involved someway.

Wouldn't trading EB--McD's FIRST big trade acquisition--be considered a failure by most? For that reason alone, I doubt the Suns even consider trading EB for at least 2 more years. But I am totally with you, if we could get EB to Cleveland, and somehow get a big back in return, that would be outstanding. I've brought up Thompson a couple of times as a big that might be worth going after. He becomes a RFA after this season, so that's a "downer", but considering they have Love, he might be worth targeting. Maybe another big as well in a 3 team trade.

But here's our issue with acquiring more bigs...what would that do to our recently signed Morii--both having PF size. Plus we have Plumlee, Len. We would need to make room, IMO. We would need to offload Plumlee. Len needs to be given a shot...he's shown potential. And again, we just signed the Morii. So I'd say keep Len and the Morii, and get rid of Tolliver, Plumlee, Randolph and honestly, PJ, to make room for Marcus and Warren to get minutes. The problem, of course, is we just signed Tolliver, PJ, EB and the Morii, so it seems to me they plan on keeping those 5 for at least 2 seasons (aside from Tolliver).

That said, I'm with you, and I'd venture a guess that many of us Suns fans are, that trading EB would be the best move for us at the trade deadline, even if he is "supposedly" the best chance at becoming an All-Star on our team.

[jcsunsfan]

OK. Here is the scenario. The Kevin Love thing just does not work in Cleveland (theoretically). Cleveland and Love agree mutually to part ways. But Love wants nothing to do with the mess that becomes the Lakers. So all of a sudden Phoenix looks enticing. He agrees to sign an extension here if traded.

Eric Bledsoe, Mook, and Keef for Love and Waiters.

The Suns get a big who rebounds and can spread the floor, Cleveland gets rid of Waiters (sorry, but we have to take him in this scenarion) and gains solid front court play in the twins. LeBron can play sf or pf, so he fits with either one on the court. They are the perfect complementary players for LeBron.

Kyrie
Bledsoe
LeBron
Keef
Varajao

IT, Ennis
Goran, Green, Waiters
Warren, Tucker
Love, Tolliver
Plumlee, Len

[jcsunsfan]

Of course it is early.

However, the Suns are a mediocre streaky team capable of winning/losing any given night. There is no denying we have too many guards, and not enough effective talent at PF/C. Something has to give.

I think it will be Bledsoe.

Who here remembers the enthusiasm and excitement he had returning here? Who here remembers the months he left the organization hanging about his future as a Sun? Who remembers our front office being somewhat forced to react as if Bledsoe was going to be a temporary fixture ? .... drafting Ennis, signing Thomas. Who remembers Thomas elated to be here...Dragic saying he will opt out and re-sign.

Sure, Babby checkmated Bledsoe/Paul into the contract he has, but in the same vein, we also had to ink him to protect an asset. IMO, he is the most valuable trade piece. In both talent and contract. I could easily see a deal like the one above featuring Bled as our big chip. And don't be surprised if the Cavs/James are involved someway.

Wouldn't trading EB--McD's FIRST big trade acquisition--be considered a failure by most? For that reason alone, I doubt the Suns even consider trading EB for at least 2 more years. .

No, it wouldn't be considered a failure by most. It would be considered preserving an asset. EVERYONE understand the Suns are collecting assets in order to make trades. Even if people did consider it a failure, McD could care less. He will make whatever trade he thinks is necessary to improve the team. McD is a roster nerd. He isn't in his office reading his own press clippings. He is in his office watching tape, playing with trade scenarios, and going over numbers to see what kind of deal he can make.

[Revived]

Of course it is early.

However, the Suns are a mediocre streaky team capable of winning/losing any given night. There is no denying we have too many guards, and not enough effective talent at PF/C. Something has to give.

I think it will be Bledsoe.

Who here remembers the enthusiasm and excitement he had returning here? Who here remembers the months he left the organization hanging about his future as a Sun? Who remembers our front office being somewhat forced to react as if Bledsoe was going to be a temporary fixture ? .... drafting Ennis, signing Thomas. Who remembers Thomas elated to be here...Dragic saying he will opt out and re-sign.

Sure, Babby checkmated Bledsoe/Paul into the contract he has, but in the same vein, we also had to ink him to protect an asset. IMO, he is the most valuable trade piece. In both talent and contract. I could easily see a deal like the one above featuring Bled as our big chip. And don't be surprised if the Cavs/James are involved someway.

Wouldn't trading EB--McD's FIRST big trade acquisition--be considered a failure by most? For that reason alone, I doubt the Suns even consider trading EB for at least 2 more years. .

No, it wouldn't be considered a failure by most. It would be considered preserving an asset. EVERYONE understand the Suns are collecting assets in order to make trades. Even if people did consider it a failure, McD could care less. He will make whatever trade he thinks is necessary to improve the team. McD is a roster nerd. He isn't in his office reading his own press clippings. He is in his office watching tape, playing with trade scenarios, and going over numbers to see what kind of deal he can make.

Stocking up on PGs isn't much of a trade asset.

PG is the strongest position in the NBA. Just about every team has a good one if not most top rookie PGs are able to make the transition to the NBA pretty easily these days.

The Suns picked the wrong position to create "assets" in.

[nevetsov]

NOH have a stellar top 6 but not much else. At the risk of assisting a fringe playoff rival, I'd make a call to see if we can offer them depth for Ryan Anderson. Ideally i'd like to craft a starting lineup of:

Bledsoe
Dragic
Tucker
Anderson
Len

Anyone else is available.

[Revived]

Why isn't this thread stickied?

Anyway, I wonder if Orlando still has interest in Bledsoe and would do a Bledsoe for Tobias Harris + fillers swap in December. Magic may not want to pay Harris after the season.

[letsgosuns]

Warren had 32 points, 6 rebounds, and 3 steals tonight while Ennis had 19 points and 10 assists. So they both had back to back awesome games. I am all for making trades to open up playing time for them. Now besides that, I honestly would trade any player on the team besides Len. Len should be untouchable. Tonight proved it. He finally got decent playing time and put up 17 pts, 11 rbs, and played great defense while virtually shutting down Black Griffin in the fourth quarter. After Len and the rookies in the D-League, other players I would like to hold onto are are Bledsoe, Green, and Goodwin. The Morris brothers, Dragic, Tucker, Tolliver, Randoph, Plumlee, even Thomas, I would trade any of them for a better power forward. Also, the log jam at point guard is hurting the team. Trading one of Bledsoe or Dragic would be addition by subtraction. They are both really good players but they serve the same purpose and only one is needed. I would love to see a lineup like this:

Bledsoe/Thomas/Ennis
Green/Goodwin
Warren/Tucker
New Power Forward
Len/Plumlee

The guy I envision at power forward next to Len is Greg Monroe. He is having a really good season statistically so far and putting him with Len would create a huge front line. That is something the Suns rarely ever have. Screw the stretch four garbage. The best teams in the West do not play stretch fours. Duncan/Splitter/Diaw, Randolph/Gasol, Griffin/Jordan, Ibaka/Perkins/Adams. Those are the front lines of the best teams in the West. None of them are stretch fours. They are all real inside players. The other best frontline in the West is Nowitzki/Chandler and Nowitzki is a player that does everything.

Just imagine how big the Suns would be up front with Len and Monroe. Then you also have big small forwards in Warren and Tucker. Historically, the big teams win championships and the Suns would finally be a big team.

So I would offer some combination of the Morris Brothers and/or Dragic for Monroe and fillers (that expire after this season) to make the money work. The Suns would then be able to re-sign Monroe and Gerald Green this offseason if they want and still be in a good financial position. This trade also opens up a lot of playing time for the Suns young players.

[RaisingArizona]

Bledsoe for Hibbert? He's miles better than Plumlee. No pun intended.

[SLODragon]

We have a lot of really good young talents who can't get minutes (Goodwin, Ennis, Warren, even Zoran), we will have Bogdanovic next year who is going to rock if hw gets opportunity, and still have a ton of picks. We actually don't need any picks next 2 years, just extend contract to main players (Green, Dragic, Len). Trade that picks to a team that is rebuilding for a player that is all-star candidat/potencial. Or a player that would be useful in our system.

That teams are Denver, Minesotta, LA Lakers, Orlando, New York, Philadelphia.

Interesting players are Faried (Plumlee+picks+fillers), Bargnani (can be good in our system, plays Frye role, would give one pick or Goodwin or Zoran for him, maybe even Ennis), Lavine (can play PG/SG, can be useful even without ball, their future PG will be Rubio, so I would give Ennis+pick for him), Frye (he was more valuable than we thought, Toliver+1st pick), Philadelphia and LA Lakers are useles.

[LukasBMW]

Bledsoe still could become one of the best two way guards in the game. We can't quit on him yet. We need defense and Bledsoe and Len have the most potential to be top defenders in the league.

That said, all the top tier guards we have played thus far have torn Bledsoe up. :/