NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 2

tontoz · Post #1761 » by **tontoz** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:41 am

JWizmentality wrote:
And we've been without Beal all season. No excuses.

Rose, Wade, Beal. One of those names is not like the others.

dlts20 · Post #1762 » by **dlts20** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:58 am

tontoz wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:
And we've been without Beal all season. No excuses.

Rose, Wade, Beal. One of those names is not like the others.

I dont think you will make that statement by the end of the season. I think most GM's right now would pick Beal today to start a team with over those 2

JWizmentality · Post #1763 » by **JWizmentality** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:22 am

tontoz wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:
And we've been without Beal all season. No excuses.

Rose, Wade, Beal. One of those names is not like the others.

So who out of the three would you rather have right now? :roll:

JWizmentality · Post #1764 » by **JWizmentality** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:24 am

Kobe going for 50 and the Lakers are down by almost 40. This is just sad...take that horse out back and shoot it.

Hypnotizer · Post #1765 » by **Hypnotizer** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:41 am

tontoz wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:
And we've been without Beal all season. No excuses.

Rose, Wade, Beal. One of those names is not like the others.

You mean, Beal's last letter isn't e ? :wink:

FAH1223 · Post #1766 » by **FAH1223** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:32 am

JWizmentality wrote:Kobe going for 50 and the Lakers are down by almost 40. This is just sad...take that horse out back and shoot it.

Kobe has become a "looter in a riot" :lol:

Never thought back in say, 2010, that the Lakers would be as bad as our Wizards were when let go off Jamison, Butler, Haywood, Stevenson at the deadline.

Kanyewest · Post #1767 » by **Kanyewest** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:02 am

FAH1223 wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:Kobe going for 50 and the Lakers are down by almost 40. This is just sad...take that horse out back and shoot it.

Kobe has become a "looter in a riot"

Never thought back in say, 2010, that the Lakers would be as bad as our Wizards were when let go off Jamison, Butler, Haywood, Stevenson at the deadline.

I believe the Wizards were better.

I'm really wondering who is going to win the 76ers vs Lakers matchup.

tontoz · Post #1768 » by **tontoz** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:17 pm

Beal's numbers over the last two years are comparable to Waiters, not Wade. Last year among 2s Beal ranked:

21st in PER
54th in TS
36th in assist rate
32nd in rebound rate

Sure he is young and could improve but let's not pretend he is an elite player.

JWizmentality · Post #1769 » by **JWizmentality** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:42 pm

tontoz wrote:Beal's numbers over the last two years are comparable to Waiters, not Wade. Last year among 2s Beal ranked:

21st in PER
54th in TS
36th in assist rate
32nd in rebound rate

Sure he is young and could improve but let's not pretend he is an elite player.

Nobody here is pushing that, but let's not pretend like Beal isn't an integral part of this team. Furthermore, I don't think it's a stretch to say he'll contribute more to our team's success than Wade or Rose will to their teams simply by just being on the court.

tontoz · Post #1770 » by **tontoz** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:53 pm

JWizmentality wrote:
Furthermore, I don't think it's a stretch to say he'll contribute more to our team's success than Wade or Rose will to their teams simply by just being on the court.

If you believe that then i don't even know what to say. Beal can only dream about being as productive as Wade. Miami has lost two straight without him.

Post #1771 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:04 pm

pancakes3 wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:God ugly game in Houston thus far.

Read somewhere it was only the second time in the past 30 years that both teams shot under 30% from the field.

Whodathought a game between Houston and OKC would go down in offensive futility? At least OKC had an excuse.

JWizmentality · Post #1772 » by **JWizmentality** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:10 pm

tontoz wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:
Furthermore, I don't think it's a stretch to say he'll contribute more to our team's success than Wade or Rose will to their teams simply by just being on the court.

If you believe that then i don't even know what to say. Beal can only dream about being as productive as Wade. Miami has lost two straight without him.

I said " he'll contribute more to our team's success than Wade or Rose will to their teams simply by just being on the court."

You said "Miami has lost two straight without him"

Exactly! Thank you for proving my point.

tontoz · Post #1773 » by **tontoz** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:31 pm

JWizmentality wrote: Furthermore, I don't think I said " he'll contribute more to our team's success than Wade or Rose will to their teams simply by just being on the court."

You said "Miami has lost two straight without him"

Exactly! Thank you for proving my point.

You do realize that Rose and Wade have both played more games than Beal, right? Beal missed 35 games in his first two seasons and hasn't even played this season. Durability isn't exactly a strength of his.

So far Beal is nothing more than an average starter, if that. Losing him isn't comparable to losing a franchise player.

JWizmentality · Post #1774 » by **JWizmentality** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:45 pm

tontoz wrote:
JWizmentality wrote: Furthermore, I don't think I said " he'll contribute more to our team's success than Wade or Rose will to their teams simply by just being on the court."

You said "Miami has lost two straight without him"

Exactly! Thank you for proving my point.

You do realize that Rose and Wade have both played more games than Beal, right? Beal missed 35 games in his first two seasons and hasn't even played this season. Durability isn't exactly a strength of his.

So far Beal is nothing more than an average starter, if that. Losing him isn't comparable to losing a franchise player.

And he'll probably play more games this season than those two combined. Beal is no iron man but he's certainly not on Wade's or Rose's level of fragile. I'm one of Beal's biggest critics, but I also realize he's just 21. I'm not going to argue that he's on Wade or Rose's level of talent. You just seem to dislike the dude, which is unfortunate. I hope one of his three pointers will bring you some happiness.

Dat2U · Post #1775 » by **Dat2U** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:53 pm

tontoz wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:
Furthermore, I don't think it's a stretch to say he'll contribute more to our team's success than Wade or Rose will to their teams simply by just being on the court.

If you believe that then i don't even know what to say. Beal can only dream about being as productive as Wade. Miami has lost two straight without him.

Bradley Beal arguably had arguably a better 2014-15 postseason than Dwyane Wade.

What are you judging Wade & Rose on? Because neither guy is the same player they were a few short years ago.

tontoz · Post #1776 » by **tontoz** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:15 pm

Dat2U wrote:
tontoz wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:
Furthermore, I don't think it's a stretch to say he'll contribute more to our team's success than Wade or Rose will to their teams simply by just being on the court.

If you believe that then i don't even know what to say. Beal can only dream about being as productive as Wade. Miami has lost two straight without him.

Bradley Beal arguably had arguably a better 2014-15 postseason than Dwyane Wade.

What are you judging Wade & Rose on? Because neither guy is the same player they were a few short years ago.

Last season Wade had higher scoring/assist/rebound rates and an 8% higher TS.

tontoz · Post #1777 » by **tontoz** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:19 pm

JWizmentality wrote: Beal is no iron man but he's certainly not on Wade's or Rose's level of fragile. I'm one of Beal's biggest critics, but I also realize he's just 21. I'm not going to argue that he's on Wade or Rose's level of talent. You just seem to dislike the dude, which is unfortunate. I hope one of his three pointers will bring you some happiness.

I dont' dislike Beal but it is ridiculous to try to compare his absence to the absence of a proven franchise player. Other than 3 point shooting Beal hasn't brought much to the table.

He has missed 25% of his games which is a lot for a guy who is primarily a spot up shooter. Over his 1st 3 seasons Rose missed 4 games. Beal has missed 45, and counting.

You are the one who brought up the comparison, not me.

JWizmentality · Post #1778 » by **JWizmentality** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:39 pm

tontoz wrote:
JWizmentality wrote: Beal is no iron man but he's certainly not on Wade's or Rose's level of fragile. I'm one of Beal's biggest critics, but I also realize he's just 21. I'm not going to argue that he's on Wade or Rose's level of talent. You just seem to dislike the dude, which is unfortunate. I hope one of his three pointers will bring you some happiness.

I dont' dislike Beal but it is ridiculous to try to compare his absence to the absence of a proven franchise player. Other than 3 point shooting Beal hasn't brought much to the table.

He has missed 25% of his games which is a lot for a guy who is primarily a spot up shooter. Over his 1st 3 seasons Rose missed 4 games. Beal has missed 45, and counting.

You are the one who brought up the comparison, not me.

I did no such thing. All I said was Miami and Chicago had no excuse to lose to bottom feeders, as we could all make the argument of missing "key" players. You pulled out the stats and jumped on the Beal Bash train as if I were equating his talents with theirs.

Dat2U · Post #1779 » by **Dat2U** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:53 pm

tontoz wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
tontoz wrote:

If you believe that then i don't even know what to say. Beal can only dream about being as productive as Wade. Miami has lost two straight without him.

Bradley Beal arguably had arguably a better 2014-15 postseason than Dwyane Wade.

What are you judging Wade & Rose on? Because neither guy is the same player they were a few short years ago.

Last season Wade had higher scoring/assist/rebound rates and an 8% higher TS.

Yes, but Wade's rates are trending down while many think Beal's numbers are going up. What happened 12 months ago won't necessarily be true today, especially when talking about guys on the downside of their careers with a long history of serious ailments. Any GM worth the suit he wears is going to pick Beal going forward due to the seriousness of Rose's injuries and the age & long term health of Wade.

pancakes3 · Post #1780 » by **pancakes3** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:58 pm

So... the Lakers are going sub-20 wins this season?