Thoughts on a post Dec 15 deal

ThaFranchize84 · Post #1 » by **ThaFranchize84** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:40 pm

What is everyone's thoughts on this deal?

Miami trades Deng and Cole to Detroit

Detroit trades Smith and a first round pick to Atlanta

Atlanta trades Horford to Miami

Solves a few lineup issues for the teams

For us it gives up a taste of 2016 a little earlier

Horford
Bosh
Williams
Wade
Napier

Chalmers
McRoberts
Anderson
Granger
Ennis
Haslem

Call up Johnson or Birch
Brown
Hamilton

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Post #2 » by **KingDavid** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:48 pm

Goddamned ballboys making threads

shanedude · Post #3 » by **shanedude** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:50 pm

In what universe Does Atlanta want Smith for Horford???

Post #4 » by **heat4life** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:45 pm

Best thing that happened to Atlanta was Josh Smith leaving. Why revisit that?

Post #5 » by **DefenseWins** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:00 pm

Stopped reading when you said Smith to Atlanta

WHY would they do that? Atlanta is better without him. Their whole team is doing well and actually have a real system these days.

The most I think we do is cut Brown, bring up Birch or even Johnson.

Or trade Cole and a 2nd rounder for something. Or just trade Cole for a 2nd rounder... I just don't think the Heat want to pay this dude more than what he is worth next season. OR for a big Center but... we do not have the assets.

Denver said every player (besides Lawson and Faried) are trade assets.... Heat might like some dudes on there, especially Mozgov. He is expensive though.

gom · Post #6 » by **gom** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:11 pm

I'd love to grab Gary Harris from Denver, but I doubt he is on the trade block. If we could send Cole and a 2nd rounder for Harris would be an excellent move. The salary almost works.

insfo · Post #7 » by **insfo** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:52 pm

MANIMAL!

puppa bear · Post #8 » by **puppa bear** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:01 am

Deng can be used as trade bait for a team that is wanting to shed salary, but apart from him Cole, Bazz & Ennis are the only assets we could part with that a rebuilding team might want. We're not going to give up Deng/McBob for rebuild players, so they need to be win-now players. Horford would be great, but no way Atlanta gifts him to us unless we give them real rebuilding pieces.

Denver ha some interesting assets: Gallo, Mozgov, & Afflalo cold help us now, but they aren't on long contracts (all 2 years left).

Post #9 » by **QUIZ** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 8:45 am

Deng is not going to be used as trade bait after we got him to take less money per year as well as less guaranteed since we only gave him a 2 year deal. I feel like at the very least he's been assured that he won't be traded.

BIRDMAN BIRDMAN · Post #10 » by **BIRDMAN BIRDMAN** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:25 am

Riles has many tricks up his sleeve as always but he did call Deng as "one of the biggest signings in HEAT history" earlier this off-season so there's that

JLop · Post #11 » by **JLop** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:34 pm

Could we receive a first round draft pick in exchange for Norris Cole? Could we find a team willing to make such a trade? I know we already have our first round draft pick for the year 2017 and if we own two picks, then we could be in a better position to negotiate with any team.

RexBoyWonder · Post #12 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:07 pm

JLop wrote:Could we receive a first round draft pick in exchange for Norris Cole? Could we find a team willing to make such a trade? I know we already have our first round draft pick for the year 2017 and if we own two picks, then we could be in a better position to negotiate with any team.

No.

Post #13 » by **IggieCC** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:41 pm

shanedude wrote:In what universe Does Atlanta want Smith for Horford???

Ultra Atlanta sucking parallel universe in which Atlanta suck perpetually?

In other words, this universe 8-)

but it won't happen because their biggest achievement in the past years was cutting ties with Josh Smith and they probably don't wanna undo it.

gom · Post #14 » by **gom** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:14 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:
JLop wrote:Could we receive a first round draft pick in exchange for Norris Cole? Could we find a team willing to make such a trade? I know we already have our first round draft pick for the year 2017 and if we own two picks, then we could be in a better position to negotiate with any team.

No.

I think you could get a first round pick from the past that didn't work out though. You can also get a second round pick.

Cole is a decent player, fully capable of developing into a good player if well coached. He works hard and is ambitious. My issue with Cole isn't about his quality, but that it seems a sure thing that he is moving on as soon as possible for $$$. Rich Paul will see to that.

He has NBA experience for a few years now. People in other groups see him as a better player than some of the people here do.

JLop · Post #15 » by **JLop** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:58 pm

gom wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:
JLop wrote:Could we receive a first round draft pick in exchange for Norris Cole? Could we find a team willing to make such a trade? I know we already have our first round draft pick for the year 2017 and if we own two picks, then we could be in a better position to negotiate with any team.

No.

I think you could get a first round pick from the past that didn't work out though. You can also get a second round pick.

Cole is a decent player, fully capable of developing into a good player if well coached. He works hard and is ambitious. My issue with Cole isn't about his quality, but that it seems a sure thing that he is moving on as soon as possible for $$$. Rich Paul will see to that.

He has NBA experience for a few years now. People in other groups see him as a better player than some of the people here do.

You make a good point: "People in other groups see him as a better player than some of the people here do."

RexBoyWonder · Post #16 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:06 pm

JLop wrote:
gom wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:
No.

I think you could get a first round pick from the past that didn't work out though. You can also get a second round pick.

Cole is a decent player, fully capable of developing into a good player if well coached. He works hard and is ambitious. My issue with Cole isn't about his quality, but that it seems a sure thing that he is moving on as soon as possible for $$$. Rich Paul will see to that.

He has NBA experience for a few years now. People in other groups see him as a better player than some of the people here do.

You make a good point: "People in other groups see him as a better player than some of the people here do."

No people, in no group, on earth or other planets, including Amazon tribespeople and Martians, don't think Norris Cole is worth a first round pick.

Post #17 » by **DefenseWins** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:50 pm

Cole worth 2 2nd round draft picks IMO.

I don't even think we can get a player for him. Maybe a 3rd string Center. What's funny is, some teams have real good 3rd string Centers who don't even play, yet we can't even scrape up one.

Birch though I believe is doing good in the DLeague right now...

gom · Post #18 » by **gom** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:48 am

RexBoyWonder wrote:
JLop wrote:
gom wrote:
I think you could get a first round pick from the past that didn't work out though. You can also get a second round pick.

Cole is a decent player, fully capable of developing into a good player if well coached. He works hard and is ambitious. My issue with Cole isn't about his quality, but that it seems a sure thing that he is moving on as soon as possible for $$$. Rich Paul will see to that.

He has NBA experience for a few years now. People in other groups see him as a better player than some of the people here do.

You make a good point: "People in other groups see him as a better player than some of the people here do."

No people, in no group, on earth or other planets, including Amazon tribespeople and Martians, don't think Norris Cole is worth a first round pick.

That is so unfair I don't even know where to start. I guarantee you that when we play against Norris Cole you will differently.

gom · Post #19 » by **gom** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:51 am

DefenseWins wrote:Cole worth 2 2nd round draft picks IMO.

I don't even think we can get a player for him. Maybe a 3rd string Center. What's funny is, some teams have real good 3rd string Centers who don't even play, yet we can't even scrape up one.

Birch though I believe is doing good in the DLeague right now...

So are Tyler Johnson and Larry Drew. <<=== Edit: Larry Drew actually played pretty poorly.

I think because Cole's contract expires in July we can only get a 2nd round draft pick or a high first round. The trick is to find the team that needs him.

JLop · Post #20 » by **JLop** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:58 am

gom wrote:
DefenseWins wrote:Cole worth 2 2nd round draft picks IMO.

I don't even think we can get a player for him. Maybe a 3rd string Center. What's funny is, some teams have real good 3rd string Centers who don't even play, yet we can't even scrape up one.

Birch though I believe is doing good in the DLeague right now...

So are Tyler Johnson and Larry Drew.

I think because Cole's contract expires in July we can only get a 2nd round draft pick or a high first round. The trick is to find the team that needs him.

¿The Indiana Pacers?