Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

M-C-G · Post #201 » by **M-C-G** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:12 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:
CanadaBucks wrote:
Miasma wrote:This bleacher report-esque site predicts we trade Dudley to the Raps at the deadline

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2014/10/3 ... 2#slide_15

I think the one type of player the Raps need is a defensive, rim-protecting centre although I do think Dudley would help them more than Landry Fields.

Henson + Middleton for Terrence Ross + Landry Fields

Henson + Dudley for Ross + Hayes works as well.

CanadaBucks · Post #202 » by **CanadaBucks** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:42 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:
CanadaBucks wrote:
Miasma wrote:This bleacher report-esque site predicts we trade Dudley to the Raps at the deadline

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2014/10/3 ... 2#slide_15

I think the one type of player the Raps need is a defensive, rim-protecting centre although I do think Dudley would help them more than Landry Fields.

Henson + Middleton for Terrence Ross + Landry Fields

I'd say that depends on if you feel Ross is going to be better than Middleton, I'm not sure atm

CanadaBucks · Post #203 » by **CanadaBucks** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:43 pm

M-C-G wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:
CanadaBucks wrote:
I think the one type of player the Raps need is a defensive, rim-protecting centre although I do think Dudley would help them more than Landry Fields.

Henson + Middleton for Terrence Ross + Landry Fields

Henson + Dudley for Ross + Hayes works as well.

That's better imo, depends on if TO would do it

M-C-G · Post #204 » by **M-C-G** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:50 pm

CanadaBucks wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:
Henson + Middleton for Terrence Ross + Landry Fields

Henson + Dudley for Ross + Hayes works as well.

That's better imo, depends on if TO would do it

ZaZa to them actually makes a ton of sense, but I doubt that brings back Ross without Middleton attached.

Licensed to Il · Post #205 » by **Licensed to Il** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:27 pm

I have soured on Middleton, his ceiling is as an elite role player, and that can only happen when a guy embraces his role. Which is something that he has resisted so far. If there was ever a time to take a chance on upside, it is for a team in our position. Ross is a great target if it doesn't cost us draft picks.

CanadaBucks · Post #206 » by **CanadaBucks** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:32 pm

Villanoeyebrows wrote:I have soured on Middleton, his ceiling is as an elite role player, and that can only happen when a guy embraces his role. Which is something that he has resisted so far. If there was ever a time to take a chance on upside, it is for a team in our position. Ross is a great target if it doesn't cost us draft picks.

Curious:

1. What makes you say that Middleton has resisted that role?
2. Does Ross really project to any more than a 3+D guy either?
3. Does Ross(slightly older)really have more upside than Ross? In watching both of them I think Middleton has better handles and Middleton's aren't very good.

emunney · Post #207 » by **emunney** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:52 pm

I think Ross's transition abilities fit better on this roster. Much as I like Middleton, and as solid as he is in most respects, I hold my breath every time he's running the floor. He doesn't make good decisions with or without the ball in transition, and he's not a great finisher.

I resist the idea that Ross has more upside due to his athleticism alone, but that's what people will say. I don't think there's a ton of difference between them, but I'll take Ross because I think he's a more natural fit due to how he runs the floor. In the halfcourt, you don't want either one of these guys dribbling around. Maybe Middleton is better but he's still a bad option.

tski1972 · Post #208 » by **tski1972** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:02 pm

I would trade Henson to Atlanta for Mike Muscala and a first.

Licensed to Il · Post #209 » by **Licensed to Il** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:11 pm

My comments about Middleton resisting his role were directed at the high degree of difficulty shots that Kris came out taking in the first few games. There were multiple times when he broke off the flow of the offense to take crazy floaters, leaners, and long two pointers. It sure seemed like he was trying to establish himself as a versatile scorer, and as stated, he just doesn't have the ball skills and balance to be that type of offensive player.

I have not seen much of Ross. I guess my interest was based on what I saw of him in his year of college, where I thought he had potential as a guy who could slash, shoot from distance, defend, get to the line, and play above the rim.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #210 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:28 pm

youre saying that whatever good feelings you had about middleton are gone because of a 3-4 game stretch where he may have pressed a bit too much in the offense to start the season? seriously? that seems wicked harsh to me... are you sure you just weren't real high on him to begin with?

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #211 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:30 pm

tski1972 wrote:I would trade Henson to Atlanta for Mike Muscala and a first.

I would trade Henson to Atlanta for a 1st

CanadaBucks · Post #212 » by **CanadaBucks** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:02 am

Villanoeyebrows wrote:My comments about Middleton resisting his role were directed at the high degree of difficulty shots that Kris came out taking in the first few games. There were multiple times when he broke off the flow of the offense to take crazy floaters, leaners, and long two pointers. It sure seemed like he was trying to establish himself as a versatile scorer, and as stated, he just doesn't have the ball skills and balance to be that type of offensive player.

I have not seen much of Ross. I guess my interest was based on what I saw of him in his year of college, where I thought he had potential as a guy who could slash, shoot from distance, defend, get to the line, and play above the rim.

The slashing and getting to the line doesn't happen much, as I said, not sure which one I would take if I only could choose 1. I think Ross fits well as a catch-and-shoot guy who is over 50% 3PAr but feel Middleton could do that as well. Ross is better in the open court though

sk8wrulz · Post #213 » by **sk8wrulz** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:17 am

Knight + 2015 1st for MCW
Offer high for Jimmy Butler

MCW
Butler
Parker
Antetokounmpo
Sanders

AussieBuck · Post #214 » by **AussieBuck** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:24 am

I hope Noel is coming back in that package.

GoldenAntlers · Post #215 » by **GoldenAntlers** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:34 am

I feel that Ross would drastically improve this team over Middleton. Better fit.

Knight
Ross
Giannis
Parker
Sanders

Licensed to Il · Post #216 » by **Licensed to Il** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:15 am

New York has too many off guards. They need to flip either Smith, Shumpert, or Hardaway Jr for something that balances their roster better. I would love to go after Hardaway Jr. He played well tonight, nice offensive player.

Dcebucks11 · Post #217 » by **Dcebucks11** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:30 am

anyone that is willing to keep the bench warm for giannis and jabari..

The Wet Whistle · Post #218 » by **The Wet Whistle** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:33 am

Villanoeyebrows wrote:New York has too many off guards. They need to flip either Smith, Shumpert, or Hardaway Jr for something that balances their roster better. I would love to go after Hardaway Jr. He played well tonight, nice offensive player.

I think they value Hardaway pretty highly. I doubt he'd be the guy they'd want to unload

breakchains · Post #219 » by **breakchains** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:37 am

Villanoeyebrows wrote:New York has too many off guards. They need to flip either Smith, Shumpert, or Hardaway Jr for something that balances their roster better. I would love to go after Hardaway Jr. He played well tonight, nice offensive player.

I think they'd die to unload Smith, would move Shumpert for a nice piece in return, and wouldn't move Hardaway for anything reasonable.

Licensed to Il · Post #220 » by **Licensed to Il** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:43 am

The Wet Whistle wrote:
Villanoeyebrows wrote:New York has too many off guards. They need to flip either Smith, Shumpert, or Hardaway Jr for something that balances their roster better. I would love to go after Hardaway Jr. He played well tonight, nice offensive player.

I think they value Hardaway pretty highly. I doubt he'd be the guy they'd want to unload

I agree, but he is not exactly the caliber of player that they wouldn't listen to offers for. There is a small possibility they see Shumpert as their starting off guard of the next few years. And if so, they could move Hardaway Jr. Im not fired up about it, just saying he is a young bench player that would be worth a look at.