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Re: Future draft classes 

Post#681 » by Marcus » Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:04 pm

Fischella wrote:Michigan is a good option for him, I think he goes UCLA, but still, I think he can learn a lot from Beilein.

Irvin might be gone aswell, but Albrecht should be there.

Walton-Albrecht
Dawkins-MAAR
Brown-Hatch
Chatman-Bielfeldt-Wilson
Donnal-Doyle

That's not too bad, and they would be in the fight for others, such as Swanigan, if Jaylen ever committs there.
If you get Swanigan and Irvin stays, a Walton-Irvin-Brown-Chatman-Swanigan sounds phenomenal.


Swan was the most impressive to me in this past U18s for the US. Newman looked good to but Swanigan's IQ was extremely high the way to played the PnR on defense and his patience in the post and his ability to find space on the floor.
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Re: Future draft classes 

Post#682 » by No-Man » Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:09 pm

Swanigan seems to be really open, he raised a lot this past summer, and although his pro potential is limited, he looks like a really talented college player.

I am going to cross UK, with Skal, plus likely, Willis, Lyles, and Lee coming back, but Michigan St., Michigan, UConn, Indiana, Kansas, Georgetown, Tennessee, UCLA seems to be on him.

Duke and Arizona (Zimmerman and Rabb look like Wildcats bound so...) are kind of stacked inside too.
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Re: Future draft classes 

Post#683 » by Justwar » Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:48 pm

Zimmerman will be a different kind of wildcat. Lyles won't be back.
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Post#684 » by Marcus » Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:52 pm

i think a lot of the current Kentucky bigs are in the air about returning.

i expect Towns, Johnson, WCS will leave as of now. with this platoon system in place if small sample sizes can impress scouts enough maybe more will declare but as of now i can't see Lyles or Lee leaving.
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Post#685 » by No-Man » Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:53 pm

Justwar wrote:Zimmerman will be a different kind of wildcat. Lyles won't be back.

Zimm is between UNLV and Zona from all reports, I'd be surprised if Lyles declares.
They have Skal, Willis and at least another body coming back between Lyles, Lee and Dakari, so...
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Post#686 » by No-Man » Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:54 pm

Marcus wrote:i think a lot of the current Kentucky bigs are in the air about returning.

i expect Towns, Johnson, WCS will leave as of now. with this platoon system in place if small sample sizes can impress scouts enough maybe more will declare but as of now i can't see Lyles or Lee leaving.

Calipari will reduce the rotation when it matters the most, and then we will see who plays and who doesnt.

It might suprise, maybe Lyles wins his spot over Towns.
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Post#687 » by Marcus » Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:00 pm

yeah kinda expect Skal to come into a featured role offensively for Tucky next year with no one really standing in his way up front outside of Trey. Jury is still out on Lee's offense but they can get buckets from SkaLyles next year as a 1-2 punch and let the guard situation work itself out.

i think the platoon system can work beneficially for the bigs but not so much for guards and wings. Harrisons might need another year especially IF as the year goes on and/or in some of the closer contested games Ulis starts to seperate as THE pure PG on the roster.
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Post#688 » by Marcus » Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:01 pm

Fischella wrote:Calipari will reduce the rotation when it matters the most, and then we will see who plays and who doesnt.


that's what im waiting to see happen.
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Post#689 » by No-Man » Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:05 pm

I dont know about the Harrisons, Aaron should declare and I think they will like to do it togehter, Andrew if he doesnt improve as a shooter, I dont believe in him as a playmaker, is goin g to be a low 2nd rounder if he makes it, Aaron got a shot at the first, so...

I think Calipari can find himself with something like,

Ulis-Hawkins
Briscoe-Matthews
Booker-Matthews
Lyles-Willis
Lee-Labissiere

next season
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Post#690 » by Marcus » Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:07 pm

i understand that Kentucky went waist deep in some Jayhawk keister last night but was no one here impressed with the Duke prospects? Thought Tyus looked good and the overall poise from the frosh was impressive to me. Say it again Justise seems to be in an ideal situation to look like a real get come june if he decides to one and done it.

Also how bad did it look for Cliffy right now on the topic of how he handles length. hopefully coach Self can help Cliff work his offense against long bigs better. He's gonna need that in his game come next level time.
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Post#691 » by Marcus » Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:08 pm

Fischella wrote:I dont know about the Harrisons, Aaron should declare and I think they will like to do it togehter, Andrew if he doesnt improve as a shooter, I dont believe in him as a playmaker, is goin g to be a low 2nd rounder if he makes it, Aaron got a shot at the first, so...

I think Calipari can find himself with something like,

Ulis-Hawkins
Briscoe-Matthews
Booker-Matthews
Lyles-Willis
Lee-Labissiere

next season


u think Lee gets the nod over Skal because of skillset or senority?
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Post#692 » by No-Man » Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:13 pm

I trust Self developing Alexander, and Cliff work ethic as well, he got the physical atributes and he understands the game, and his aggresiveness is top notch, he will be a player.

Seniority and skillset, both.
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Post#693 » by reanimator » Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:20 pm

Fischella wrote:I dont know about the Harrisons, Aaron should declare and I think they will like to do it togehter, Andrew if he doesnt improve as a shooter, I dont believe in him as a playmaker, is goin g to be a low 2nd rounder if he makes it, Aaron got a shot at the first, so...

I think Calipari can find himself with something like,

Ulis-Hawkins
Briscoe-Matthews
Booker-Matthews
Lyles-Willis
Lee-Labissiere

next season


Think they add Bragg, Blakeney and MAYBE Zimmerman.

I think Self will het Alexander on track. It is Oubre and Sviat that I worry about under him.
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Post#694 » by Marcus » Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:31 pm

reanimator wrote:I think Self will het Alexander on track. It is Oubre and Sviat that I worry about under him.


don't think Bill does well with wings?

all 3 looking like 2 and through guys to me right now.

Svi because he still has symalac on his breath, Cliffy and Kelly because of how coach is using them might force a return if they don't get the chance to showcase.

i think Cliff gets the chance as the year goes on. Kelly im not so certain about. we'll see as the season goes on his gifts might be too much for the scouts to pass on. might be able to ride a LaVine wave into the lottery.
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Post#695 » by reanimator » Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:38 pm

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reanimator wrote:I think Self will het Alexander on track. It is Oubre and Sviat that I worry about under him.


don't think Bill does well with wings?


Just his offensive system in general.

And I think Svi and Oubre go high in the draft when the time comes in spite of Self much like Wiggins.
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Post#696 » by Marcus » Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:40 pm

reanimator wrote:
And I think Svi and Oubre go high in the draft when the time comes in spite of Self much like Wiggins.


yeah i agree with that
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Post#697 » by Big_C_KU » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:54 pm

reanimator wrote:
Marcus wrote:
reanimator wrote:I think Self will het Alexander on track. It is Oubre and Sviat that I worry about under him.


don't think Bill does well with wings?


Just his offensive system in general.

And I think Svi and Oubre go high in the draft when the time comes in spite of Self much like Wiggins.


No argument here. His system isn't the best for wings as wings are used mainly as shooters under Self. Still it looks like Self may be putting a run of wings into the league, especially if KU signs Jaylen Brown as KU is considered to be strong with both Josh Jackson (apparently recruiting him harder than anyone) and Jayson Tatum in the 2016 class.

I do feel Svi can be in the different mold as he has better handles and passing ability at this stage than any of the wings we've seen under Self.
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Post#698 » by reanimator » Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:03 am

Big_C_KU wrote:
reanimator wrote:
Marcus wrote:
don't think Bill does well with wings?


Just his offensive system in general.

And I think Svi and Oubre go high in the draft when the time comes in spite of Self much like Wiggins.


No argument here. His system isn't the best for wings as wings are used mainly as shooters under Self. Still it looks like Self may be putting a run of wings into the league, especially if KU signs Jaylen Brown as KU is considered to be strong with both Josh Jackson (apparently recruiting him harder than anyone) and Jayson Tatum in the 2016 class.

I do feel Svi can be in the different mold as he has better handles and passing ability at this stage than any of the wings we've seen under Self.


I don't understand why he doesn't like ballscreens?

And that Ellis/Traylor frontcourt is bad. Small and no spacing. Are the other guys really that bad at D?
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Post#699 » by Big_C_KU » Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:22 am

reanimator wrote:
Big_C_KU wrote:
reanimator wrote:
Just his offensive system in general.

And I think Svi and Oubre go high in the draft when the time comes in spite of Self much like Wiggins.


No argument here. His system isn't the best for wings as wings are used mainly as shooters under Self. Still it looks like Self may be putting a run of wings into the league, especially if KU signs Jaylen Brown as KU is considered to be strong with both Josh Jackson (apparently recruiting him harder than anyone) and Jayson Tatum in the 2016 class.

I do feel Svi can be in the different mold as he has better handles and passing ability at this stage than any of the wings we've seen under Self.


I don't understand why he doesn't like ballscreens?

And that Ellis/Traylor frontcourt is bad. Small and no spacing. Are the other guys really that bad at D?


Cliff needs to learn positioning on offense and defense. Self has spoken in several post games about Cliff needing to learn how to score before he gets the ball with positioning. I feel with Cliff he's bringing him along a little slow not wanting to start him until he's ready similar to Embiid.

Lucas just isn't skilled enough and quick enough to go against elite bigs like UK had and Mickelson just isn't strong enough. Mickelson gets pushed around easily.

Self actually uses a lot of ball screens with his PGs. Not a traditional pick-n-roll though. Mostly ball screens to get separation for big or to get the defense moving and allow the ball to start swinging. Tyshawn Taylor was awesome at this as was Mario Chalmers and Sherron Collins. The PGs since Taylor haven't been too good although we have a lot of hope for Graham.

Also our wings haven't had good enough ball handling skills to really use them in the pick plays. Svi looks like he'll be used a lot in pick plays.
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Re: Future draft classes 

Post#700 » by Marcus » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:22 pm

ManualRam wrote:.....


Question for you sir. How do you think G. Pap compares to the bigs in this draft?
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