I feel this is the year to trade Rondo

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Rondo not getting max. You ca t give max to a secondary scoring threat. He will get paid, but max money to rondo is franchise suicide. We wouldn't be able to acquire the primary big time scorer under the cap.

Why not? It is unlikely the next Franchise scorer is coming via FA. Definitely not coming if a Rondo like talent is not on the team. This next team will be built through the draft and trades, not free agency.

Exactly. People act as if Rondo's grow on trees and veteran free agents are going to want and come here to play with the same riff raff Rondo can't win with. Please. They are only even going to "listen" to us if a player like Rondo is here. If he's gone, LOL, fuhgeddabout it. Hell, Pierce couldn't win sh*t here either when he was in his prime and he was surrounded by ham and eggers. We expect Rondo to win though? Cmon. Danny needs to find a way to trade these ham and eggers and future picks to get STUDS to play with Rondo.

[pac213up]

Rondo not getting max. You ca t give max to a secondary scoring threat. He will get paid, but max money to rondo is franchise suicide. We wouldn't be able to acquire the primary big time scorer under the cap.

Why not? It is unlikely the next Franchise scorer is coming via FA. Definitely not coming if a Rondo like talent is not on the team. This next team will be built through the draft and trades, not free agency.

Exactly. People act as if Rondo's grow on trees and veteran free agents are going to want and come here to play with the same riff raff Rondo can't win with. Please. They are only even going to "listen" to us if a player like Rondo is here. If he's gone, LOL, fuhgeddabout it. Hell, Pierce couldn't win sh*t here either when he was in his prime and he was surrounded by ham and eggers. We expect Rondo to win though? Cmon. Danny needs to find a way to trade these ham and eggers and future picks to get STUDS to play with Rondo.

If there were Free Agents lining up to come to Boston that would be one thing but that tends not to happen. Ainge certainly could trade Rondo if a good deal comes along but it looks like he is trying to 1st build a team with him. He has the picks and young players to do some things but the right deal has to be available.

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BTW, you think Wyc and company are going to be happy trying to convince fans to buy season tickets and merchandise next season if we have no Rondo and the only thing added to our team is a mediocre 6th-10th lottery pick again? Cmon. You going to put Jared Sullinger and Avery Bradley on the media guide and preseason season ticket commercials LOL? Man, this team would be so pathethic it wouldn't even be funny. We need to start trading away these career JAGS for some vets and start giving Rondo some talent to work with.

[Shamrock]

Guarantee that Ainge is only saying that cause he's getting garbage offers from other teams.

[Edug27]

Rondo not getting max. You ca t give max to a secondary scoring threat. He will get paid, but max money to rondo is franchise suicide. We wouldn't be able to acquire the primary big time scorer under the cap.

Why not? It is unlikely the next Franchise scorer is coming via FA. Definitely not coming if a Rondo like talent is not on the team. This next team will be built through the draft and trades, not free agency.

Exactly. People act as if Rondo's grow on trees and veteran free agents are going to want and come here to play with the same riff raff Rondo can't win with. Please. They are only even going to "listen" to us if a player like Rondo is here. If he's gone, LOL, fuhgeddabout it. Hell, Pierce couldn't win sh*t here either when he was in his prime and he was surrounded by ham and eggers. We expect Rondo to win though? Cmon. Danny needs to find a way to trade these ham and eggers and future picks to get STUDS to play with Rondo.

First off, Rondo is worth max money. Especially with the way some of these players are getting paid nowadays.

Secondly, Danny plays a risky game if he heads into the offseason without trading Rondo or getting confirmation from him that hes all in long term. It's a 50/50 chance that Rondo resigns without Danny acquiring another All Star player first. You're risking Rondo jumping ship and signing with another team. If that were to happen, that takes a lot of credibility away from Danny as a GM. You just don't let an elite player leave your team in free agency without getting something .. anything .. in return. The Lakers learned the hard way. Minny and Orlando reacted quick enough. Every situation is different and there are conversations happening that we will never know about. I will tell you one thing ... on the day of the trade deadline, Danny will have a good vision on the future of this team going forward ... and he will react accordingly.

[KamikazeK]

Why not? It is unlikely the next Franchise scorer is coming via FA. Definitely not coming if a Rondo like talent is not on the team. This next team will be built through the draft and trades, not free agency.

Exactly. People act as if Rondo's grow on trees and veteran free agents are going to want and come here to play with the same riff raff Rondo can't win with. Please. They are only even going to "listen" to us if a player like Rondo is here. If he's gone, LOL, fuhgeddabout it. Hell, Pierce couldn't win sh*t here either when he was in his prime and he was surrounded by ham and eggers. We expect Rondo to win though? Cmon. Danny needs to find a way to trade these ham and eggers and future picks to get STUDS to play with Rondo.

First off, Rondo is worth max money. Especially with the way some of these players are getting paid nowadays.

Secondly, Danny plays a risky game if he heads into the offseason without trading Rondo or getting confirmation from him that hes all in long term. It's a 50/50 chance that Rondo resigns without Danny acquiring another All Star player first. You're risking Rondo jumping ship and signing with another team. If that were to happen, that takes a lot of credibility away from Danny as a GM. You just don't let an elite player leave your team in free agency without getting something .. anything .. in return. The Lakers learned the hard way. Minny and Orlando reacted quick enough. Every situation is different and there are conversations happening that we will never know about. I will tell you one thing ... on the day of the trade deadline, Danny will have a good vision on the future of this team going forward ... and he will react accordingly.

Why would Rondo string Danny and the Celtics along without saying definitively "I will sign for the max" or "I won't sign even for the max," and then jump ship to another team? That would have to be a decision made for intentionally malicious reasons.

If Rondo isn't going to resign even for the max, then I'm sure he would say something long enough in advance for the team to get something for him.

[Edug27]

Exactly. People act as if Rondo's grow on trees and veteran free agents are going to want and come here to play with the same riff raff Rondo can't win with. Please. They are only even going to "listen" to us if a player like Rondo is here. If he's gone, LOL, fuhgeddabout it. Hell, Pierce couldn't win sh*t here either when he was in his prime and he was surrounded by ham and eggers. We expect Rondo to win though? Cmon. Danny needs to find a way to trade these ham and eggers and future picks to get STUDS to play with Rondo.

First off, Rondo is worth max money. Especially with the way some of these players are getting paid nowadays.

Secondly, Danny plays a risky game if he heads into the offseason without trading Rondo or getting confirmation from him that hes all in long term. It's a 50/50 chance that Rondo resigns without Danny acquiring another All Star player first. You're risking Rondo jumping ship and signing with another team. If that were to happen, that takes a lot of credibility away from Danny as a GM. You just don't let an elite player leave your team in free agency without getting something .. anything .. in return. The Lakers learned the hard way. Minny and Orlando reacted quick enough. Every situation is different and there are conversations happening that we will never know about. I will tell you one thing ... on the day of the trade deadline, Danny will have a good vision on the future of this team going forward ... and he will react accordingly.

Why would Rondo string Danny and the Celtics along without saying definitively "I will sign for the max" or "I won't sign even for the max," and then jump ship to another team? That would have to be a decision made for intentionally malicious reasons.

If Rondo isn't going to resign even for the max, then I'm sure he would say something long enough in advance for the team to get something for him.

Rondo will either ...

1. Tell Danny hes a Celtic for life no matter what
2. Tell Danny he'll resign IF he puts together a contending team
3. Tell Danny he wants to explore free agency and make the best decision for him and his family (like Melo)
4. Tell Danny hes going elsewhere no matter what

.... Options 1 and 4 are no brainer moves for Danny ... But 2 and 3 are more likely to happen .. and thats risky

[Datruth345]

One solution could be to give rondo the type of max contract Klay Thompson received. It is a max contract in the sense that on the date of signing it is every penny a an actual max contract would be worth, however a real max contract is tied to the salary cap and can increase in value over time. Given the precedent set by the warriors as well as the projected salary cap increases this could be 1 way to keep both parties (rondo & the celtics) satisfied

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Rondo not getting max. You ca t give max to a secondary scoring threat. He will get paid, but max money to rondo is franchise suicide. We wouldn't be able to acquire the primary big time scorer under the cap.

Wrong. Letting him walk and using his "max" money on 3 more 8 million dollar a year ham and eggers(Jeff Green/Avery Bradley types) is what's not going to get us anywhere. You pay STUDS and you fill in the 8-12th guys on your roster with vet minimum deals. You don't pay glorified role players who shouldn't be starting on any legit contender(Green and Bradley) 8-9 million a year. That's what our problem is. Pay STUDS what they are worth and stop paying ham and eggers 8-9 million a year.

No your wrong on this. If you traded Rondo for Chris Paul tomorrow the Chris Paul would win half the games this team plays with this roster he just would. I am not saying Rondo can't but if Rondo is that caliber of player then he is going to win 40 some odd games this year or he isn't worth the money.

We watched Paul Pierce win half his games with worse talent than Rondo has around him right now. You can fix 8-9 mil dollar mistakes. If you give Rondo a 100 mil bucks and can't get the guys around him then your screwed for a decade.

You have to understand if the argument is that Rondo needs studs around him to win, which is fair, then Boston isn't the place for him right now and that is too bad. They can't put studs around him while he is making 12 mil how does that get better when he is making 24-25 mil?

Now if Rondo can take this crew of "ham and eggers" as you call them and win and make the playoffs then you have a reason to invest. For Rondo to be a max guy he has to elevate the play of his teammates that is what max players do that is what makes them worth 25-30% for your salary cap especially if they are going to score 10 ppg. Nobody is expecting the Conference Finals but you have to close games at home with the lead.

I love the idea that Rondo wants stay, now I am not as excited about the pay check he seems to be asking for but if he can make the playoffs with this crew then sure go for it. But if this team continues to suck (less than 30 wins sucks and today we are on pace for 27) then what is the point? This team can suck without him just as much as it does with him that is the challenge he has to change that to be worth the cash and commitment.

I think Ainge believes in him at least he does right now.

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Rondo will either ...

1. Tell Danny hes a Celtic for life no matter what
2. Tell Danny he'll resign IF he puts together a contending team
3. Tell Danny he wants to explore free agency and make the best decision for him and his family (like Melo)
4. Tell Danny hes going elsewhere no matter what

.... Options 1 and 4 are no brainer moves for Danny ... But 2 and 3 are more likely to happen .. and thats risky

They have probably already had the conversation and both understand the goal of the other.

[sully00]

One solution could be to give rondo the type of max contract Klay Thompson received. It is a max contract in the sense that on the date of signing it is every penny a an actual max contract would be worth, however a real max contract is tied to the salary cap and can increase in value over time. Given the precedent set by the warriors as well as the projected salary cap increases this could be 1 way to keep both parties (rondo & the celtics) satisfied

To be clear Thompson's deal is not a max contract. It wasn't 5 years and length isn't based on the cap. Max deals do not increase over time. What happens is that they are based on 25% (30+% for veterans of different service time) of the salary cap the year they are signed and then they would have raises of 7.5% with their team and 4.5% with another. Max salaries only increase when they are signed as extensions of rookies scale contracts.

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Wonder if Rondo would do one of these 2 year deals with 1 year out option to maximize $$ like Lebron did with the new TV deal.

[Scoonie]

Why not let Rondo walk and use his money to sign Goran Dragic?

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... ree-Agency

Much better shooter / scorer, better fundamentals, can put up good assist numbers at point guard. Seems like he'd be a better fit in Steven's spread-the-floor offensive system.

The Celtics' probably have the worst shooting backcourt in the NBA. Rondo and Smart can't shoot a lick, and Bradley is streaky as hell. I don't think the team can come close to reaching its potential without better outside shooting in the backcourt.

[Edug27]

Rondo will either ...

1. Tell Danny hes a Celtic for life no matter what
2. Tell Danny he'll resign IF he puts together a contending team
3. Tell Danny he wants to explore free agency and make the best decision for him and his family (like Melo)
4. Tell Danny hes going elsewhere no matter what

.... Options 1 and 4 are no brainer moves for Danny ... But 2 and 3 are more likely to happen .. and thats risky

They have probably already had the conversation and both understand the goal of the other.

I think Rondo is steady on number 2. Its up to Danny to determine if he can get that done or not. He tried with K.Love ... whats plan B?

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Rondo will either ...

1. Tell Danny hes a Celtic for life no matter what
2. Tell Danny he'll resign IF he puts together a contending team
3. Tell Danny he wants to explore free agency and make the best decision for him and his family (like Melo)
4. Tell Danny hes going elsewhere no matter what

.... Options 1 and 4 are no brainer moves for Danny ... But 2 and 3 are more likely to happen .. and thats risky

They have probably already had the conversation and both understand the goal of the other.

I think Rondo is steady on number 2. Its up to Danny to determine if he can get that done or not. He tried with K.Love ... whats plan B?

I think Plan B is to resign Rondo and hope he can add the pieces within the next 2 offseasons or so. Plan C (If Rondo wants out) is to let him walk and get what you can in the sign and trade.

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People always think that a MAX player means that that player is the #1 player on a team and if he's not a 1st or 2nd team ALL NBA player than he's not worth the max. WRONG. Perfect example, Chris Bosh. Your team is going to suck(like Toronto did) if he is the #1 player on your team. However if he is #3 on a team with a "Big 3" cast(like he was in Miami) than your team is going to be fine and he is definitely worth MAX money or close to it. Any team can afford 3 MAX players or close to it if they are smart about it. Do you guys honestly think Rondo wouldn't accept 90% of a MAX deal if we had a Lebron and Love to pair him with? I'm willing to bet anything he would take 90% of a max deal if we had talent like that to pair him with. You guys act like he's not even in the neighborhood of a max contract and you are wrong. You win multiple titles if Rondo is your #3 best player and have a helluva team..........it's not his fault Danny can't even find ONE player better than him nevermind TWO.

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They have probably already had the conversation and both understand the goal of the other.

I think Rondo is steady on number 2. Its up to Danny to determine if he can get that done or not. He tried with K.Love ... whats plan B?

I think Plan B is to resign Rondo and hope he can add the pieces within the next 2 offseasons or so. Plan C (If Rondo wants out) is to let him walk and get what you can in the sign and trade.

I'm not sure why Rondo would want any part of plan B ... Unless it's solely for the money and city like Melo.

[pac213up]

I think Rondo is steady on number 2. Its up to Danny to determine if he can get that done or not. He tried with K.Love ... whats plan B?

I think Plan B is to resign Rondo and hope he can add the pieces within the next 2 offseasons or so. Plan C (If Rondo wants out) is to let him walk and get what you can in the sign and trade.

I'm not sure why Rondo would want any part of plan B ... Unless it's solely for the money and city like Melo.

I lean that way as well but I guess it depends what other better options will be out there for him? Some of it depends on how much he trusts Ainge. I think Ainge has to have some strong leads on players for Rondo to want to stay.

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No your wrong on this. If you traded Rondo for Chris Paul tomorrow the Chris Paul would win half the games this team plays with this roster he just would. I am not saying Rondo can't but if Rondo is that caliber of player then he is going to win 40 some odd games this year or he isn't worth the money.

We watched Paul Pierce win half his games with worse talent than Rondo has around him right now. You can fix 8-9 mil dollar mistakes. If you give Rondo a 100 mil bucks and can't get the guys around him then your screwed for a decade.

I think this team has performed as well as any Pierce led team without Antoine or KG. When PP teams had no legit #2, they were never as fun to watch or as competitive as this team. Do I think Rondo is as good as PP in his prime? No way. Do I think Chris Paul would easily win 40 games with this roster? I don't think so. Paul has always played with a rim protector and an elite PF. This team sucks because the bigs cannot stop anybody. Just like the Blount/Raef years - who by the way were savvier veterans than KO and Zeller etc. - the back line is a sieve and every game the best offensive big man in the NBA is the guy playing the Celtics.

Fix that and this Rondo led team would easily duplicate the success Paul had in NO with Chandler and West or in LA with Jordan and Griffin. I really take issue with a Celtics fan disparaging Rondo failing to win 50% of games this year compared to Paul when the best defensive big man on roster is Bass. Let's see how Paul would do with nobody watching his back. And I do agree that Paul is a more complete and better player.

[BRUNiNHO91]

People always think that a MAX player means that that player is the #1 player on a team and if he's not a 1st or 2nd team ALL NBA player than he's not worth the max. WRONG. Perfect example, Chris Bosh. Your team is going to suck(like Toronto did) if he is the #1 player on your team. However if he is #3 on a team with a "Big 3" cast(like he was in Miami) than your team is going to be fine and he is definitely worth MAX money or close to it. Any team can afford 3 MAX players or close to it if they are smart about it. Do you guys honestly think Rondo wouldn't accept 90% of a MAX deal if we had a Lebron and Love to pair him with? I'm willing to bet anything he would take 90% of a max deal if we had talent like that to pair him with. You guys act like he's not even in the neighborhood of a max contract and you are wrong. You win multiple titles if Rondo is your #3 best player and have a helluva team..........it's not his fault Danny can't even find ONE player better than him nevermind TWO.

LOL. And 1 x a billion.