Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

ackypoo · Post #261 » by **ackypoo** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:37 pm

mayo to houston for trade exception and whatever, doesnt matter if hes off the books.

Ron Swanson · Post #262 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:44 pm

ampd wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:His length is great, but he gets pushed around by bigger C's because of his size (228 lb).

Based on this I'm not sure you've watched him play.

He's inconsistent, and his effort level isn't always 100% (similar to Henson I guess) but being soft and getting pushed around is the least of his problems.

He's like a stronger more explosive version of raw Larry Sanders in that he has a lot of plays that make you go 'wow' but a fair number of those are bad ones. The Hornets are trying to win now, and playing a project player like him isn't a great fit with that.

He's one of those guys who might benefit a lot from a change of scenery and a fresh start with less expectations. He's also a decent poster child for how playing on a truly horrific team with bad coaching and no good players can foster bad habits.

Fair enough, but I think you can only be so much of a "project" by your 4th year in the league. I just think he is what he is at this point. Where he was drafted (7th overall) seems to cause people to think he has more potential than he actually does.

His minutes have gone down each of the last 2 seasons, and I think the only decent skill he has is shot blocking. He's Ekpe Udoh 2.0 in my opinion.

ampd · Post #263 » by **ampd** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:53 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:
ampd wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:His length is great, but he gets pushed around by bigger C's because of his size (228 lb).

Based on this I'm not sure you've watched him play.

He's inconsistent, and his effort level isn't always 100% (similar to Henson I guess) but being soft and getting pushed around is the least of his problems.

He's like a stronger more explosive version of raw Larry Sanders in that he has a lot of plays that make you go 'wow' but a fair number of those are bad ones. The Hornets are trying to win now, and playing a project player like him isn't a great fit with that.

He's one of those guys who might benefit a lot from a change of scenery and a fresh start with less expectations. He's also a decent poster child for how playing on a truly horrific team with bad coaching and no good players can foster bad habits.

Fair enough, but I think you can only be so much of a "project" by your 4th year in the league. I just think he is what he is at this point. Where he was drafted (7th overall) seems to cause people to think he has more potential than he actually does.

His minutes have gone down each of the last 2 seasons, and I think the only decent skill he has is shot blocking. He's Ekpe Udoh 2.0 in my opinion.

He came to basketball late so he was very inexperienced when he was drafted, he was always going to take a while to develop, and that Hornets team was the worst possible place for him to do it.

He was forced into a starting role on not one but two of the worst teams in NBA history, with terrible coaching, and no examples on the roster of players to emulate in either skills or work ethic. The team was trying to lose and they didn't particularly care if he was good on the floor or not, and would probably rather he didn't significantly improve them to wins. Drafting him was like the 76ers drafting Embiid in the sense that they were actually glad he wasn't going to be a massive contributor from day 1 since they still wanted to be terrible to get high picks.

Then his team decided to go win now in year 3, and all of a sudden its not about the future anymore.

He's raw, he has bad habits, but we have an example of the kind of player he can become (Larry) and an example of a hard nosed worker with a big body (Zaza) in front of him and here he won't be judged as the 7th pick, just for whatever he does on the court.

Similar to how Bogut would still be a bit disappointing in a Bucks uni as a former #1 pick, but for the Warriors he's exactly what they need (admittedly with likely quite a bit less impact).

I don't want him because I think he's a future superstar, I want him because he fills a need we have, and there is still upside there.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #264 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:58 pm

as the resident bucks/hornets fan on the board... I don't want biyombo on either team. can we make it a 3way?

Giannis Parker · Post #265 » by **Giannis Parker** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:59 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:So apparently Celtics are telling people Rondo's off the table? Interesting.

- Ersan, Dudley, Middleton, Knight, Marshall, and Henson are all on the table for me and if I'm Hammond I'm shopping them hard.

- Terrence Ross, Ray McAllum, Glen Rice Jr., Kosta Koufos, and Kyle O'Quinn are guys that I think are reasonable trade targets.

- Hell no to Biyombo. He's undersized and more importantly, he's terrible.

That is a down right pathetic list of targets considering who we would be giving up. The only player I would trade for on that list would be Ross, and even he projects to be a low end starter at best.

Aaron It Out · Post #266 » by **Aaron It Out** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:10 pm

I would have laughed at myself a few years ago for saying this but I think Biyombo would be a great fit for this team. I bet Charlotte would love Dudley.

ampd · Post #267 » by **ampd** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:20 pm

I'd take Ed Davis or Xavier Henry from the Lakers if they wanted to trade them for something reasonable.

If we're win now at the deadline for some reason, Jordan Hill wouldn't be a bad target either.

Otherwise I'd like Harkless on this team.

Wouldn't mind being another team to take a shot at Thomas Robinson either.

Ron Swanson · Post #268 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:31 pm

Giannis Parker wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:So apparently Celtics are telling people Rondo's off the table? Interesting.

- Ersan, Dudley, Middleton, Knight, Marshall, and Henson are all on the table for me and if I'm Hammond I'm shopping them hard.

- Terrence Ross, Ray McAllum, Glen Rice Jr., Kosta Koufos, and Kyle O'Quinn are guys that I think are reasonable trade targets.

- Hell no to Biyombo. He's undersized and more importantly, he's terrible.

That is a down right pathetic list of targets considering who we would be giving up. The only player I would trade for on that list would be Ross, and even he projects to be a low end starter at best.

Sorry there isn't a plethora of all-star players available to trade for?

:dontknow:

Let's be honest with ourselves. Most of these trade ideas in this thread are pipe dreams (Rondo, Smart, Stauskas, MCW, etc.).

I just presented a few buy-low options. Even Ross is a long shot (I doubt TOR gives him up for anything less than a 1st round pick + a player).

The list of actual young players still on their rookie deals that are actually available is most likely pretty slim. Those guys tend to be valuable for a reason.

Rockmaninoff · Post #269 » by **Rockmaninoff** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:40 pm

I really think Jeff Withey would be a good target if we're looking for a bench center. His numbers last year in limited mins were nice. I like that he had a greater than 1 ast/to.

www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/witheje01.html

emunney · Post #270 » by **emunney** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:45 pm

Who would trade Middleton to the Clips for Matt Barnes and a removal of the conditions from the 2017 pick?

ackypoo · Post #271 » by **ackypoo** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:51 pm

emunney wrote:Who would trade Middleton to the Clips for Matt Barnes and a removal of the conditions from the 2017 pick?

no.

also, middleton > ross

DanGadzuric50 · Post #272 » by **DanGadzuric50** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:53 pm

I haven't really seen him play much and I don't really know his game very well, but would Ty Lawson be a big upgrade over Knight at PG? If so, I feel like with Denver sucking and saying they could trade everyone that he would be an intriguing player for us. Contract isn't too bad either.

buckboy · Post #273 » by **buckboy** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:46 pm

emunney wrote:Who would trade Middleton to the Clips for Matt Barnes and a removal of the conditions from the 2017 pick?

I like middleton, but I also like lottery tickets. A lot can happen between now and then. The clippers could be bad. You never know. Also, Middleton is going to get paid soon. Not sure if we're going to be able to do that.

GoldenAntlers · Post #274 » by **GoldenAntlers** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:21 am

Rondo
Ross
Giannis
Parker
Sanders

On_Wisconsin · Post #275 » by **On_Wisconsin** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:03 am

Would love to work a deal with Sacramento involving Stauskas for Mayo. I feel Mayo would fit in really really well for them.

Not saying I'd do it, but if OKC is floundering and needs a piece would anyone send Sanders their way for Adams and Abrines plus ???

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breakchains · Post #276 » by **breakchains** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:09 am

If Denver does ultimately want to blow it up, I would definitely be interested in Lawson. I'd also consider paying Dragic.

Garbs_7 · Post #277 » by **Garbs_7** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:46 am

DanGadzuric50 wrote:I haven't really seen him play much and I don't really know his game very well, but would Ty Lawson be a big upgrade over Knight at PG? If so, I feel like with Denver sucking and saying they could trade everyone that he would be an intriguing player for us. Contract isn't too bad either.

I REALLY like Ty Lawson, but I feel he would be the hardest guy to pry from them. More so than Gallinari / Faried etc. He is a very nice PG, coming into his prime. Short, but has never let it affect him, strong enough and quick while being a weapon offensively and a much better playmaker and passer than Knight (obviously). He's only 27 so still has at least 4-5 high level years remaining.

Would be a great guy to get to pair with Giannis and Jabari if he becomes available. Signed for a reasonable deal for 2 more years after this one at 11.5 / 12.4 / 13.2

Call me crazy but I would give up our 2015 first top 10 protected to get him, which I think would take to get it done.

BallinBucks420 · Post #278 » by **BallinBucks420** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:50 am

buckboy wrote:
emunney wrote:Who would trade Middleton to the Clips for Matt Barnes and a removal of the conditions from the 2017 pick?

I like middleton, but I also like lottery tickets. A lot can happen between now and then. The clippers could be bad. You never know. Also, Middleton is going to get paid soon. Not sure if we're going to be able to do that.

Ya but isnt it lotter protected so if they are rlly bad we don't even get it.. wut happens then do we just keep waiting till there not in the lottery and we get the pick or do we get it no matter wut in 18

Baddy Chuck · Post #279 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:20 am

Garbs_7 wrote:Call me crazy but I would give up our 2015 first top 10 protected to get him, which I think would take to get it done.

That's honestly probably not even close to getting Lawson IMO.

mattg · Post #280 » by **mattg** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:17 am

Yeah Lawson is probably too tough to trade for. Starting point is prolly knight/Henson/1st but even then I don't think Denver does it. I think they'd rather dump everyone else and rebuild around picks and Lawson.

As for that Middleton/Barnes swap removing protections from their pick, I'd do it. Too much upside with an unprotected first. Cp3 is aging along with many of their key rotation guys. That could be a lotto pick if there's an injury or Paul's play declines.