Pelicans vs Kings 11/18

[SacKingZZZ]

System player who's primed for the hall of fame. Sort of like Tim Duncan?

News flash: you want system players. System players are good. Especially ones that are as amazingly talented and gifted as Davis.

Playoffs, game 7, game on the line? Nah, you want the Lebrons, Kobes, Shaqs, Hakeems. They have a lot more rings than the system guys although the Kings did show it's possible to win without that. Webber was close but even he wasn't a true clear it out and kick your *** type either.

Those guys all played in a system...except for Kobe who just needed the best front court in the league for every single one of his rings. But don't get me started on that. Not to mention all of those title teams were loaded with guys that played within a team concept aka system guys.

But seriously just think about what you're saying. What is Lebron supposedly trying to get the Cavs to do right now? Play in a system? Wow, funny how that works.

I don't think you are understanding what I'm talking about. I'm talking about a players reliance to score points being tied to having the opportunities created by others or within the context of a specific system. Clear out guys that can score in iso aren't relegated to any system. It's why they can score regardless of the system they are in. Of course that's not to say the teams they are on will have success or they will even impact a game as much as a great two way player. I'm strictly talking about "go to" ability.

[SacKingZZZ]

I know Casspi brought back a lot of energy in the second half but Malone messed up here. He should have played more Thompson in the second half. Especially, how well he played offensively & made Davis' life hard in the first half.

Thompson played a great defensive game today...it's too bad that he didn't saw much action in the second half.

I don't know about that. The Pelicans essentially took JT out of the game. Both he and Landry were getting all kinds of mixed up off the pick and roll and Malone had to go with somebody quick enough to recover or switch.

[SacKingZZZ]

I saw it differently. During the 4th when the Pelicans went up 10 it was Evans getting in the lane. He was creating at will.

Ryan Anderson killed us in the middle of the game, but Evans closed it out. Our defense wasn't there.

I didn't think McCallum played a good game. He got an ovation entering the game, but hindsight suggests it wasn't warranted. He didn't look any better than Sessions.

I think both the Kings and Pelicans are goodish teams. This may be our new rival?

Watch the game over, in particular his individual defense. The teams defense suffered on help tonight most specifically in the pick and roll. Williams called Malones bluff and won.

[KF10]

I don't know about that. The Pelicans essentially took JT out of the game. Both he and Landry were getting all kinds of mixed up off the pick and roll and Malone had to go with somebody quick enough to recover or switch.

Great defensive game is maybe an overstatement from my part, but my general point still stands, in that, Davis was working hard for his buckets when Thompson was on him.

I felt confident on JT's defense whenever Davis put the ball to the ground or decides to go ISO. On the other hand, Davis' P&R game is pretty much impossible to stop when he gets going. I don't think there are any bigs in this league that can really contain Davis off the ball. Davis is a genius in getting to his spots. It also helps that the team has schemes to get Davis easy baskets too.

[blind prophet]

I saw it differently. During the 4th when the Pelicans went up 10 it was Evans getting in the lane. He was creating at will.

Ryan Anderson killed us in the middle of the game, but Evans closed it out. Our defense wasn't there.

I didn't think McCallum played a good game. He got an ovation entering the game, but hindsight suggests it wasn't warranted. He didn't look any better than Sessions.

I think both the Kings and Pelicans are goodish teams. This may be our new rival?

I'd like to see a new authentic rivalry. If the Kings can get a stable roster here by next season maybe.

A classier one too possibly.

Not a big fan of the arrogant types like the Clips, we could use a rivalry. If we come close to a split this season and battle it out for a playoff spot we can have years of enjoyment possibly coming.

[Kings2013]

I could blame Malone's substitutions but I'll put this one on the players. Specifically the 3rd quarter.

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Yep.

Zero assists & 5 turnovers in the 3rd quarter was a killer for us.

A little too much Stauskas, kept Collison on the bench too long.

Was a team failure, including Malone.

Every game now, every game I seem to be yelling at the TV for Malone to get such and such starter in the game before he gets around to it. Its really starting to be a philosophical difference I have with him.

The Stauskas/Gordon thing.. In hindsight it occurred to me that Malone may have been inviting the offense to run through Gordon as he has actually been their weak link so far this season. It's also a little worrying how Nik fared in that matchup and he has not distinguished himself so far

[blind prophet]

Yep.

Zero assists & 5 turnovers in the 3rd quarter was a killer for us.

A little too much Stauskas, kept Collison on the bench too long.

Was a team failure, including Malone.

Every game now, every game I seem to be yelling at the TV for Malone to get such and such starter in the game before he gets around to it. Its really starting to be a philosophical difference I have with him.

The Stauskas/Gordon thing.. In hindsight it occurred to me that Malone may have been inviting the offense to run through Gordon as he has actually been their weak link so far this season. It's also a little worrying how Nik fared in that matchup and he has not distinguished himself so far

I'm not worried about Nik at all right now.

He is going to take an entire season + off season to come close to even being able to predict what he can and can't do defensively.

We've seen his ability to get to the rim and shoot, not consistently, but enough to see he will be able to do it over time.

Take Jimmer for example, it was obvious his athletic ability was not going to cut it.

But Malone has some holes in our roster to his credit. But when the game is on the line, you force the starters to play a couple of extra mins instead of always giving them rest in my opinion, unless there is foul trouble or something like that.

[SacKingZZZ]

I don't know about that. The Pelicans essentially took JT out of the game. Both he and Landry were getting all kinds of mixed up off the pick and roll and Malone had to go with somebody quick enough to recover or switch.

Great defensive game is maybe an overstatement from my part, but my general point still stands, in that, Davis was working hard for his buckets when Thompson was on him.

I felt confident on JT's defense whenever Davis put the ball to the ground or decides to go ISO. On the other hand, Davis' P&R game is pretty much impossible to stop when he gets going. I don't think there are any bigs in this league that can really contain Davis off the ball. Davis is a genius in getting to his spots. It also helps that the team has schemes to get Davis easy baskets too.

Davis didn't really go iso often and his MO really isn't to take it to his man one on one. Ryan Anderson was the reason JT and Landry got the wood tonight. Anderson was the nightmare coming in, and he made that nightmare into reality. The Pelicans are a tough matchup for the Kings. They have an above the rim big in Davis and a stretch 4 who can hit 3's in Anderson. The Kings don't really have anyone that can matchup with Davis in that sense and have to go small to match Anderson. This game 100% puts me in the corner of going after Smith again. He would be perfect for this team and tonight was the example why.

[ICMTM]

I saw it differently. During the 4th when the Pelicans went up 10 it was Evans getting in the lane. He was creating at will.

Ryan Anderson killed us in the middle of the game, but Evans closed it out. Our defense wasn't there.

I didn't think McCallum played a good game. He got an ovation entering the game, but hindsight suggests it wasn't warranted. He didn't look any better than Sessions.

I think both the Kings and Pelicans are goodish teams. This may be our new rival?

Watch the game over, in particular his individual defense. The teams defense suffered on help tonight most specifically in the pick and roll. Williams called Malones bluff and won.

My view is far better than yours on TV. I sit in the 6th row.

[bleeds_purple]

Playoffs, game 7, game on the line? Nah, you want the Lebrons, Kobes, Shaqs, Hakeems. They have a lot more rings than the system guys although the Kings did show it's possible to win without that. Webber was close but even he wasn't a true clear it out and kick your *** type either.

Those guys all played in a system...except for Kobe who just needed the best front court in the league for every single one of his rings. But don't get me started on that. Not to mention all of those title teams were loaded with guys that played within a team concept aka system guys.

But seriously just think about what you're saying. What is Lebron supposedly trying to get the Cavs to do right now? Play in a system? Wow, funny how that works.

I don't think you are understanding what I'm talking about. I'm talking about a players reliance to score points being tied to having the opportunities created by others or within the context of a specific system. Clear out guys that can score in iso aren't relegated to any system. It's why they can score regardless of the system they are in. Of course that's not to say the teams they are on will have success or they will even impact a game as much as a great two way player. I'm strictly talking about "go to" ability.

I understand exactly what you're talking about. You fail to realize there are two-sides to the coin. You believe "system-players" are confined to a system and incapable of scoring outside of it. But what you don't seem to grasp is that those players who totally sell out to the system are usually the most successful.

Furthermore, being a system player and having go-to abilities are not mutually exclusive. Jordan played within the triangle, obviously he has go-to moves. Leonard is a perfect example of a system-player, yet he seems to be able to score in isolation.

This all started with you denigrating AD, who also plays within a system but is also capable of scoring in isolation, which seems to be a common thread among many Kings fans. Its rather pathetic.

[ADoaN17]

Pretty bad rotations by Malone in this game, especially in the second half. Was fun watching Boogie v Davis tho.

[Wolfay]

I saw it differently. During the 4th when the Pelicans went up 10 it was Evans getting in the lane. He was creating at will.

Ryan Anderson killed us in the middle of the game, but Evans closed it out. Our defense wasn't there.

I didn't think McCallum played a good game. He got an ovation entering the game, but hindsight suggests it wasn't warranted. He didn't look any better than Sessions.

I think both the Kings and Pelicans are goodish teams. This may be our new rival?

I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw that. Except in transition, he's really not any more able to set up other guys to score than Isaiah Thomas. For the other guard spot, Stauskas was getting killed on defense. Both Eric Gordon and Ryan Anderson on the switch lit him up.

Both Ray and Stauskas aren't worthy of playing anything more than garbage minutes, but combined they ended up playing nearly 40 minutes and were -31; a major blunder on Malone's part (unless he cared more about teaching a lesson than winning).

This is the one lost since he was hired by Vivek that we can pin on Malone. Our players were far from perfect, but Malone's rotations was the biggest factor that cost us the game. Anthony Davis played 41 minutes. Only one of our starters (Gay) cracked 35.

[ICMTM]

I saw it differently. During the 4th when the Pelicans went up 10 it was Evans getting in the lane. He was creating at will.

Ryan Anderson killed us in the middle of the game, but Evans closed it out. Our defense wasn't there.

I didn't think McCallum played a good game. He got an ovation entering the game, but hindsight suggests it wasn't warranted. He didn't look any better than Sessions.

I think both the Kings and Pelicans are goodish teams. This may be our new rival?

I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw that. Except in transition, he's really not any more able to set up other guys to score than Isaiah Thomas. For the other guard spot, Stauskas was getting killed on defense. Both Eric Gordon and Ryan Anderson on the switch lit him up.

Both Ray and Stauskas aren't worthy of playing anything more than garbage minutes, but combined they ended up playing nearly 40 minutes and were -31; a major blunder on Malone's part (unless he cared more about teaching a lesson than winning).

This is the one lost since he was hired by Vivek that we can pin on Malone. Our players were far from perfect, but Malone's rotations was the biggest factor that cost us the game. Anthony Davis played 41 minutes. Only one of our starters (Gay) cracked 35.

I would say with McCallum he played too much, and maybe Collison was hurting a bit? Ray looked lost at times and indecisive. Much has been talked about how the Kings had a bad 3rd quarter. Teams will miss shots and go through bouts of bad offense, but the Pelicans really were able to get it going whenever they wanted. It didn't seem like they were too concerned they were down.

One thing I love (and hate) is how Tyreke Evans closed the game out. It didn't matter who was on him he just got where he wanted to. He even missed two easy layups. We have a problem closing out games.

[SacKingZZZ]

I saw it differently. During the 4th when the Pelicans went up 10 it was Evans getting in the lane. He was creating at will.

Ryan Anderson killed us in the middle of the game, but Evans closed it out. Our defense wasn't there.

I didn't think McCallum played a good game. He got an ovation entering the game, but hindsight suggests it wasn't warranted. He didn't look any better than Sessions.

I think both the Kings and Pelicans are goodish teams. This may be our new rival?

Watch the game over, in particular his individual defense. The teams defense suffered on help tonight most specifically in the pick and roll. Williams called Malones bluff and won.

My view is far better than yours on TV. I sit in the 6th row.

Nothing beats an alternate view though.

[SacKingZZZ]

Those guys all played in a system...except for Kobe who just needed the best front court in the league for every single one of his rings. But don't get me started on that. Not to mention all of those title teams were loaded with guys that played within a team concept aka system guys.

But seriously just think about what you're saying. What is Lebron supposedly trying to get the Cavs to do right now? Play in a system? Wow, funny how that works.

I don't think you are understanding what I'm talking about. I'm talking about a players reliance to score points being tied to having the opportunities created by others or within the context of a specific system. Clear out guys that can score in iso aren't relegated to any system. It's why they can score regardless of the system they are in. Of course that's not to say the teams they are on will have success or they will even impact a game as much as a great two way player. I'm strictly talking about "go to" ability.

I understand exactly what you're talking about. You fail to realize there are two-sides to the coin. You believe "system-players" are confined to a system and incapable of scoring outside of it. But what you don't seem to grasp is that those players who totally sell out to the system are usually the most successful.

Furthermore, being a system player and having go-to abilities are not mutually exclusive. Jordan played within the triangle, obviously he has go-to moves. Leonard is a perfect example of a system-player, yet he seems to be able to score in isolation.

This all started with you denigrating AD, who also plays within a system but is also capable of scoring in isolation, which seems to be a common thread among many Kings fans. Its rather pathetic.

I never said that, nor inferred it. However, the magnitude at which a player can succeed in that particular system and out of it can vary.

And I totally agree with what you are saying for the most part, I'm not saying system ball doesn't win championships or has not success tied to it. I'm talking at more of a mirco level in terms of individual output and performance and the basis from which it is derived.

Also, how is saying someone gets a good chunk of their production via their system or on assisted baskets denigration? It's fact. Watch the games. If anything you're getting way too defensive about it, jeez, nobody is picking on poor Anthony Davis here, haha. He can score in iso, but in this game he got a good chunk of his points on assisted baskets, at the line, and off broken plays. There is no arguing that. That's not even to say it's a bad thing, if that's how you took it then oh well, but I for sure no the difference between someone that can persist and exist even when the other team sends 3 guys at a player or constructs their entire defense to stop said player. I've yet to see a team even do that with Davis, you know why? Because he's not that type of player. Which isn't to say he won't have as much or more success than players who are that, but his production will at the end of the day rely heavily on situation and usage.

[Kings2013]

I saw it differently. During the 4th when the Pelicans went up 10 it was Evans getting in the lane. He was creating at will.

Ryan Anderson killed us in the middle of the game, but Evans closed it out. Our defense wasn't there.

I didn't think McCallum played a good game. He got an ovation entering the game, but hindsight suggests it wasn't warranted. He didn't look any better than Sessions.

I think both the Kings and Pelicans are goodish teams. This may be our new rival?

I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw that. Except in transition, he's really not any more able to set up other guys to score than Isaiah Thomas. For the other guard spot, Stauskas was getting killed on defense. Both Eric Gordon and Ryan Anderson on the switch lit him up.

Both Ray and Stauskas aren't worthy of playing anything more than garbage minutes, but combined they ended up playing nearly 40 minutes and were -31; a major blunder on Malone's part (unless he cared more about teaching a lesson than winning).

This is the one lost since he was hired by Vivek that we can pin on Malone. Our players were far from perfect, but Malone's rotations was the biggest factor that cost us the game. Anthony Davis played 41 minutes. Only one of our starters (Gay) cracked 35.

Ray might be struggling and I think many believe he was left in the game a little long, but Sessions has just been booty in all facets, through 10 games - field goal %, D, handling. in comparison to his slow start I at least appreciate that Ray tries on D, has energy and won't needlessly turn the rock over. It will be interesting to see how Malone handles it. It's still early in the season as Sessions has been solid mostly through his career, but he has been letting the team down early with his play

[ICMTM]

I think you're taking the statement out of of context a little. For one game McCallum was hesitant and ineffective, and his overall effect on the game was no better/worse than Sessions. I don't think anyone is saying off with his (Ray's) head.

I really think the issue was Collison didn't play enough.

[nolimit0820]

I think Malone was trying to close the game out with Ray and give him a shot.


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