Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

[CanadaBucks]

WANT A YOUNG ROSTER

rookies =5
2nd yr = 4
25-26= 3
29 = 1

ROSTER
Ennis / Bayless / Wolters
Stauskus / Mayo
Parker / Inglis
Giannis / Olynyk / Bass
Sanders / Sims / OBryant

TRADES
Knight, Middleton, Ersan –SAC- Stauskus, Thompson

1st-LP, Thompson – PHL – Sims, 2nd

1st-LAC Dudley –PHX- Ennis 2nd

Henson, Zaza, Marshall - BOS- Olynyk, Bass-E

No-not that one anyway

[buckboy]

I don't know why people think the Clippers could be bad by 2017. Even if Paul declines (he'll still only be 32), Blake is a certified MVP candidate and Deandre Jordan is a DPOTY level talent, and I bet they find a way to re-sign him.

You're left with essentially betting that two of those three have significant injuries in 2017 that causes them to miss a lot of games. I don't think that's a safe bet.

I'd just as soon take the lotto protection and be happy with a pick in the 20-30 range rather than give up anything of value to remove it.

What if Paul wrecks a knee in 2016? He'll be 33. Never know.

If it's just Middleton (who I'm not sure we'll pay anyway ), fine with me.

I expect us to be a 50 win team by then. That pick could be a huge commodity. I d like to take a chance.

Edit: he'll be 31 going into that season but with some serious wear on the tires.

[eagle13]

WANT A YOUNG ROSTER

rookies =5
2nd yr = 4
25-26= 3
29 = 1

ROSTER
Ennis / Bayless / Wolters
Stauskus / Mayo
Parker / Inglis
Giannis / Olynyk / Bass
Sanders / Sims / OBryant

TRADES
Knight, Middleton, Ersan –SAC- Stauskus, Thompson

1st-LP, Thompson – PHL – Sims, 2nd

1st-LAC Dudley –PHX- Ennis 2nd

Henson, Zaza, Marshall - BOS- Olynyk, Bass-E

No-not that one anyway

Of course its not ideal, those don't happen. Every deal in this case is either a small upgrade or gets younger with more upside. It is also the goal to loose more again and get an earlier pick which we keep as its LP. So with these trades we get #6-10 pick instead of only getting a #10-15 pick with current roster. And we do not have to deal with re-signing or loosing knight and middleton for nothing. We also get more cap space with Bass expired.

All with detailed transactions that all pass trade-checker.

[cinematographer]

Bruno Caboclo.

[CanadaBucks]

WANT A YOUNG ROSTER

rookies =5
2nd yr = 4
25-26= 3
29 = 1

ROSTER
Ennis / Bayless / Wolters
Stauskus / Mayo
Parker / Inglis
Giannis / Olynyk / Bass
Sanders / Sims / OBryant

TRADES
Knight, Middleton, Ersan –SAC- Stauskus, Thompson

1st-LP, Thompson – PHL – Sims, 2nd

1st-LAC Dudley –PHX- Ennis 2nd

Henson, Zaza, Marshall - BOS- Olynyk, Bass-E

No-not that one anyway

Of course its not ideal, those don't happen. Every deal in this case is either a small upgrade or gets younger with more upside. It is also the goal to loose more again and get an earlier pick which we keep as its LP. So with these trades we get #6-10 pick instead of only getting a #10-15 pick with current roster. And we do not have to deal with re-signing or loosing knight and middleton for nothing. We also get more cap space with Bass expired.

All with detailed transactions that all pass trade-checker.

Jason Thompson and a first for Henry Sims and a second is terrible, Henry Sims is a 3rd string C at best, not sure I do any of those trades

[Ruzious]

Knight for Rondo

I would look at that - along with changes to make it cap friendly and more roster friendly - as long as I was confident I could convince Rondo to stay - and I think the ownership and Kidd can be convincing. And Knight's a good fit with Boston, because they have Smart - and need a young guard who can make 3's.

Here's what I'd try to do: Knight, Henson, Dudley (filler), and several 2nd rounders for Rondo and Olynyk. If Boston doesn't do it, I include a lotto protected 1st instead of the 2nds. Then dump Ilyasova or Zaza.

[eagle13]

No-not that one anyway

Of course its not ideal, those don't happen. Every deal in this case is either a small upgrade or gets younger with more upside. It is also the goal to loose more again and get an earlier pick which we keep as its LP. So with these trades we get #6-10 pick instead of only getting a #10-15 pick with current roster. And we do not have to deal with re-signing or loosing knight and middleton for nothing. We also get more cap space with Bass expired.

All with detailed transactions that all pass trade-checker.

Jason Thompson and a first for Henry Sims and a second is terrible, Henry Sims is a 3rd string C at best, not sure I do any of those trades

figured you’d go there, If you follow its Ersan and a lotto-protected 1sr for Sims and an early 2nd.

Sims 24 is far cheaper, is younger, has similar stats now with far more upside than Ersan27 and MT28

I take Stauskus and Ennis for that price all day
Olynyk provides spacing & versatility + Bass expires saving 1 year of Zaza’s salary

[Bucks_MacGyver]

Would you guys be down with this trade at the deadline.

Nets trade :
Kevin garnett
2015 1st round pick
2017 1st round pick

Bucks trade:
Brandon Knight
Ersan


I think kg would be ok to play for Kidd. This only works of the nets are out of playoff contention and the bucks are in. Kg has to ok it
Gives us lots of cap room

[EastSideBucksFan]

If the Nets would really do that of course.

But, even I don't think Billy King is that stupid.

Well, scratch that.

They traded the #6 pick (Damian Lillard) for Gerald Crash Wallace.

[Bucks_MacGyver]

If the Nets would really do that of course.

But, even I don't think Billy King is that stupid.

Well, scratch that.

They traded the #6 pick (Damian Lillard) for Gerald Crash Wallace.

He also tried to trade the bucks 3 first round picks for Yi but Larry Harris was to dumb to take that deal....

[Ron Swanson]

I don't get why people think Stauskas is available. The Kings are sitting fine right now and they just spent a top 10 pick on him for a reason. Just because they gave up on Thomas Robinson his rookie year doesn't mean they'd do the same with another top 10 pick.

I don't see them wanting to take back some average assets at positions of strength (Knight, Henson, Middleton). They'll probably just let Stauskas develop behind McLemore and Gay for the time being.

Ennis may be gettable, but I think the writing is on the wall for Dragic to leave in FA, so I think they have plans for him backing up Bledsoe and Thomas next year, and remember he's only 19.

I'm not a huge fan of Enes Kanter, but what kind of contract do people think he'd be getting next off season? I'd be interesting in trading for him as a back up C and holding his RFA rights.

[DutchManDanFan]

Knight for Rondo

I would look at that - along with changes to make it cap friendly and more roster friendly - as long as I was confident I could convince Rondo to stay - and I think the ownership and Kidd can be convincing. And Knight's a good fit with Boston, because they have Smart - and need a young guard who can make 3's.

Here's what I'd try to do: Knight, Henson, Dudley (filler), and several 2nd rounders for Rondo and Olynyk.

Yes, something like this, though Olynyk makes it unlikely, I think. So without Olynyk and a 2nd to the Bucks?

[Ruzious]

I don't get why people think Stauskas is available. The Kings are sitting fine right now and they just spent a top 10 pick on him for a reason. Just because they gave up on Thomas Robinson his rookie year doesn't mean they'd do the same with another top 10 pick.

I don't see them wanting to take back some average assets at positions of strength (Knight, Henson, Middleton). They'll probably just let Stauskas develop behind McLemore and Gay for the time being.

Ennis may be gettable, but I think the writing is on the wall for Dragic to leave in FA, so I think they have plans for him backing up Bledsoe and Thomas next year, and remember he's only 19.

I'm not a huge fan of Enes Kanter, but what kind of contract do people think he'd be getting next off season? I'd be interesting in trading for him as a back up C and holding his RFA rights.

Kanter would have been real good in the NBA of 20 plus years ago - when low post thumpers were in vogue. He can still be effective, but he's got to get a lot of shots, because he's not going to be a plus on defense. I just don't think he'd be a good fit with Milw. He'll still get paid, because big guys who can score get paid.

[emunney]

Yeah Lawson is probably too tough to trade for. Starting point is prolly knight/Henson/1st but even then I don't think Denver does it. I think they'd rather dump everyone else and rebuild around picks and Lawson.

As for that Middleton/Barnes swap removing protections from their pick, I'd do it. Too much upside with an unprotected first. Cp3 is aging along with many of their key rotation guys. That could be a lotto pick if there's an injury or Paul's play declines.

Yeah, I mean the thing underpinning this idea is the tiiiiiny margin of error playing in the Western Conference. Really, if anything happens to Paul, Blake or Jordan, they become a bubble team at best. And we should also remember that Blake Griffin does not fit the profile of a player who has historically aged super well. Guys like Shawn Kemp and Larry Johnson were in fairly steep decline by the time they reached the age Griffin will be for the 2017 season, and Griffin has a history of knee problems.

Considering the most prominent alternative is paying Middleton, which is hard to describe as not dicey, this would be pretty tempting to me.

[DutchManDanFan]

Yeah, I mean the thing underpinning this idea is the tiiiiiny margin of error playing in the Western Conference. Really, if anything happens to Paul, Blake or Jordan, they become a bubble team at best. And we should also remember that Blake Griffin does not fit the profile of a player who has historically aged super well. Guys like Shawn Kemp and Larry Johnson were in fairly steep decline by the time they reached the age Griffin will be for the 2017 season, and Griffin has a history of knee problems.

As I said (too many times) before, If the Clippers are in decline in 2016 or 2017 then the Bucks should go after CP3. He is so expensive the Clippers will be tempted to trade him then.

Paul with Giannis and Jabari is gold. At least until Paul is 35 and without major injuries.

[raferfenix]

Ennis may be gettable, but I think the writing is on the wall for Dragic to leave in FA, so I think they have plans for him backing up Bledsoe and Thomas next year, and remember he's only 19.

I was surprised to see Dragic change his answer about how committed he is to staying in Phoenix. But I'm not sure if I'd go so far as to say the writing is on the wall.

Not that I'm not hoping this is the case! Very open to being persuaded.

Having Dragic and Rondo on the free agent market should really help the Bucks if we're still looking for a long term starting point guard then. It'd likely trash Brandon Knight's efforts to convince someone to overpay him out of desperation too.

[emunney]

I don't get why people think Stauskas is available. The Kings are sitting fine right now and they just spent a top 10 pick on him for a reason.

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't, but how are they sitting fine? They're on the outside looking in again. Assuming they also spent a top 10 pick on McLemore for a reason, and assuming they want to be in the playoffs, Stauskas is a reasonable piece for them to consider trading to solidify their rotation right now. Because for as much as we like Stauskas, and for however many good reasons the Kings may have picked him, he's not helping anybody win this year.

[DutchManDanFan]

Having Dragic and Rondo on the free agent market should really help the Bucks if we're still looking for a long term starting point guard then. It'd likely trash Brandon Knight's efforts to convince someone to overpay him out of desperation too.

I don't think we need a long term starting point guard. Two years with Rondo, then 2 or 3 with Paul and after that whoever is available and interested to play with Giannis & Jabari to win a ring.

[CanadaBucks]

Would you guys be down with this trade at the deadline.

Nets trade :
Kevin garnett
2015 1st round pick
2017 1st round pick

Bucks trade:
Brandon Knight
Ersan


I think kg would be ok to play for Kidd. This only works of the nets are out of playoff contention and the bucks are in. Kg has to ok it
Gives us lots of cap room

It really only works if the Nets could actually trade their picks

2015 first round draft pick to Atlanta
Atlanta has the right to swap its 2015 1st round pick for Brooklyn's 2015 1st round pick [Atlanta-Brooklyn, 7/11/2012]

2016 first round draft pick to Boston
Brooklyn's 2016 1st round pick to Boston [Boston-Brooklyn, 7/12/2013]

2016 second round draft pick to L.A. Clippers
L.A. Clippers have the right to swap their 2016 2nd round pick protected for selections 56-60 for Brooklyn's 2016 2nd round pick (if the L.A. Clippers’ pick falls within its protected range, then the L.A. Clippers’ swap right and Brooklyn’s obligation to the L.A. Clippers will be extinguished) [Brooklyn-L.A. Clippers, 7/11/2012]

2017 first round draft pick to Boston
Boston has the right to swap its 2017 1st round pick for Brooklyn's 2017 1st round pick; if Boston exercises this swap right, then Boston will convey its 2017 2nd round pick to Brooklyn protected for selections 31-45 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Boston's obligation to Brooklyn will be extinguished) [Boston-Brooklyn, 7/12/2013]; this potential pick conveyance is the same as the one described in "2017 first round draft pick from Boston" on Brooklyn Credits

[tski1972]

I thought we couldn't do any deals with the Nets anyway because of Kidd.