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Post#281 » by Mogul » Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:06 pm

It sucks that TGFA has been reduced to this. Before his devastating knee injury, he was one of the most versatile defenders in the NBA. He was the Draymond Green of the time period from '08-'11.
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Re: Celtics @ Sixers 7 pm ET 

Post#282 » by Sixercise » Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:15 pm

Kinda like what knux future alluded to, Hollis is truly starting to aggravate me....not sure what happened to him since he got hit in the eye, but looks scared to shoot the ball almost every time he touches it....

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Post#283 » by Skates » Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:20 pm

The biggest need on this team right now is a big man who can hit the Boards and defend with some beef on his bones. Sure, Embiid should be a Porsche level version of that kind of guy eventually, but in the short term we need a tough, strong big who does the dirty work and has some experience. It would help Noel a lot to have a guy like that on the team. Gordon and Davies are simply not cutting it in this role and it isn't like a vet like that would cut into the minutes of any real developmental players. It would give them a better chance to compete and develop.
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Post#284 » by Mogul » Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:23 pm

Skates wrote:The biggest need on this team right now is a big man who can hot the Boards and defend with some beef on his bones. Sure, Embiid should be a Porsche level version of that kind of guy eventually, but in the short term we need a tough, strong big who does the dirty work and has some experience. It would help Noel a lot to have a guy like that on the team. Gordon and Davies are simply not cutting it in this role and it isn't like a vet like that would cut into the minutes of any real developmental players. It would give them a better chance to compete and develop.

I wish Dewayne Dedmon stuck around.
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Post#285 » by LeonJordanJr24 » Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:34 pm

I went to the game and my observations about what I saw last night...

Noel needs to put on weight he is still weak getting boards . His jumper is so raw but has potential through repetitions. His form isn't bad he shoots high with some arc but he needs to follow through on his release. His defensive potential is KG esq. Offensively he needs to accentuate the positive and use his athleticism with putbacks and own back door cuts. Think more young Amare " Pheonix days".

Sims and Thompson we'rent drafted for a reason because of limited upside. They are what they are below average end of the bench players.

"Luc Momma got a big bootay" is terrible on offense and overrated on defense. He should never ever play the smallforward position he should be our back up 4. He creates poor spacing on the floor.


KJ Mcdaniels played very well in limited minutes he should start at shooting guard . He plays defense and hits the open 3's . I like the kid. Play him!

Robert Covington is better than expected he can definitely play the 3 effectively. He has can get to the rim and has range. Very active hands on the court and contests shots with his length . He's a good prospect!

Tony Wroten is what he is a Lou Wiliams type sixth man who can get to the rim at will. His 3pt shooting is plummeting. Wroten is not a "Point Guard "he missed a lot of passes for open looks and choose to go 1 on 4 more often then not. He should be paired with Shved in the backcourt off the bench. He shouldn't start at shooting guard either because he's not a shooting guard.

Gordon and Davies shouldn't be in rotation they aren't good enough. Nor fit the kid or players I want on this team.

MCW - Had some turnovers and made some errors however he remained calm and steady. I think once the proper lineups and talent is surrounded around him he will shine! He is a 6'6 , athletic, pass first point guard which is very rare to find. I want him to be more aggressive on offense and go to the rim and pull up over smaller defenders.


Overall , I like the length and athleticism that this team has but we lack considerablely in skill and BBall IQ.
Boston beat us with superior ball movement and decision making. They totally out played our big men tonight.

Ideal rotation

MCW - Mcdaniels - Thompson - Noel - Sims - starters
Shved- Wroten- Covington- Luc - Davies - Bench
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Post#286 » by 42uptop » Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:53 pm

roma258 wrote:I don't think anyone should be fired for executing the plan. But people should be evaluated on their performance. On what basis are we evaluating Brown? One running a coherent offense, establishing a defensive identity, developing young players?


There seems to be a mentality where someone either supports the tank and defends every aspect of it or hates the tank and wants guys to be fired. I support this rebuild but that doesn't mean I am going to bury my head in the sand. A few people are giving BB a pass for bad coaching this season. He doesn't deserve it.

I am starting to worry that he doesn't have the mentality to discipline our young players and limit their minutes when they screw up. He sticks to the same guys regardless of how they play. That is my biggest gripe and it bodes poorly for our future.
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Post#287 » by Skates » Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:12 pm

Mogul wrote:
Skates wrote:The biggest need on this team right now is a big man who can hot the Boards and defend with some beef on his bones. Sure, Embiid should be a Porsche level version of that kind of guy eventually, but in the short term we need a tough, strong big who does the dirty work and has some experience. It would help Noel a lot to have a guy like that on the team. Gordon and Davies are simply not cutting it in this role and it isn't like a vet like that would cut into the minutes of any real developmental players. It would give them a better chance to compete and develop.

I wish Dewayne Dedmon stuck around.


I think they planned for Varnado to be that other defensive role playing big and he looked decent last year, but when his leg issues came up they didn't do enough to replace him. Malcolm Thomas might have helped.
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Post#288 » by FreesFro » Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:30 pm

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Bigballer74 wrote:I didn't see tonights game, I actually haven't watched the last couple, but what is his "typical defensive impact'? Dude has been **** garbage all year save for 1 or 2 games. He is not intimidating anybody, the lane doesn't become some no fly zone when he is there. People need to stop with the over the top hype.


There are defensive metric numbers that disagree with 100% of what you just said.


Metrics don't show that he was in the right place or not during a defensive series. He got lit up tonight, not at the rim but he was leaving people open all night for jumpers. He also doesn't commit and lays back on some defensive sequences, giving up a jumper.

At Kentucky his role was to run to the front of the rim and stay there. In the NBA the defensive 3 second rule negates that strategy.


Hold on. The post I quoted said except for 1 or 2 games he has been garbage on defense this year. Last night he had some lapses, but overall on the season he has been more than fine. That's what my reply was talking about.

And the overreaction to every bad play Nerlens is involved in is annoying as hell. All guys have bad plays. I mean know there are passes whizzing by Nerlens that nobody in the NBA could catch and guys run here and post about his bad hands. We get it, his hands haven't been the greatest, but the hyperbole is out of control.
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Post#289 » by Lapinski » Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:55 pm

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Mogul wrote:
Skates wrote:The biggest need on this team right now is a big man who can hot the Boards and defend with some beef on his bones. Sure, Embiid should be a Porsche level version of that kind of guy eventually, but in the short term we need a tough, strong big who does the dirty work and has some experience. It would help Noel a lot to have a guy like that on the team. Gordon and Davies are simply not cutting it in this role and it isn't like a vet like that would cut into the minutes of any real developmental players. It would give them a better chance to compete and develop.

I wish Dewayne Dedmon stuck around.


I think they planned for Varnado to be that other defensive role playing big and he looked decent last year, but when his leg issues came up they didn't do enough to replace him. Malcolm Thomas might have helped.


What leg issues did Varnado have? I thought cutting him was a bit of a head scratcher myself. I thought he defended well.
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Post#290 » by Sixerscan » Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:59 pm

42uptop wrote:
roma258 wrote:I don't think anyone should be fired for executing the plan. But people should be evaluated on their performance. On what basis are we evaluating Brown? One running a coherent offense, establishing a defensive identity, developing young players?


There seems to be a mentality where someone either supports the tank and defends every aspect of it or hates the tank and wants guys to be fired. I support this rebuild but that doesn't mean I am going to bury my head in the sand. A few people are giving BB a pass for bad coaching this season. He doesn't deserve it.

I am starting to worry that he doesn't have the mentality to discipline our young players and limit their minutes when they screw up. He sticks to the same guys regardless of how they play. That is my biggest gripe and it bodes poorly for our future.


What? Are you watching this team?

We've had 13 different people start for us last year. We came close to setting a record for most players to play on a team in single season. We've already had 10 different guys start games this year. Literally every person that's been on the roster since day 1 has started a game besides Shved, Jrich and Embiid. Our starting lineup has practically changed by the day.

This isn't about a broad problem with Brown. It's a specific one. People want KJ starting instead of Thompson or LMAM. Fine whatever. Just say THAT.

If anything, I think the problem is that he's gone too far the other way. He's got to figure out a rotation and stick to it. Now that people are healthy I expect that to happen.
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Post#291 » by steveb21 » Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:11 pm

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steveb21 wrote:Bledsoe is right. This team as constructed wouldn't beat Kentucky.

How many (future) lottery picks are on UK's roster? How many lottery picks on ours? Noel and MCW. McDaniels should've been a 1st rounder (lucky for us) but the rest of our team is filled with scrubs. Next year with Embiid and maybe Saric would be a different story but right now UK would crush us.


Crush us? What a joke.


You want a joke? Our team is a joke. We have one quality NBA player in MCW. We have two NBA prospects in Noel and McDaniels. We have a couple of fringe players in Wroten, LRMAM and Sims. The rest of the team is garbage. Does anyone think Jakarr Sampson could start on UK?

The tank has lost its luster. This is going to be a long year people.
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Post#292 » by roma258 » Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:47 pm

42uptop wrote:
roma258 wrote:I don't think anyone should be fired for executing the plan. But people should be evaluated on their performance. On what basis are we evaluating Brown? One running a coherent offense, establishing a defensive identity, developing young players?


There seems to be a mentality where someone either supports the tank and defends every aspect of it or hates the tank and wants guys to be fired. I support this rebuild but that doesn't mean I am going to bury my head in the sand. A few people are giving BB a pass for bad coaching this season. He doesn't deserve it.

I am starting to worry that he doesn't have the mentality to discipline our young players and limit their minutes when they screw up. He sticks to the same guys regardless of how they play. That is my biggest gripe and it bodes poorly for our future.

Yeah, it's hard to find that middle ground. Even harder to defend it, because you expose yourself to charges of hypocrisy (oh what did you think the tank would look like?!) Anyway, it's going to be a long season. We're just at game 11 right now. I have no idea how our guys are going to stick with it, keep trying, continue to develop. Not sure it's possible with the team as currently constituted. Might need to take a break from their games for a week or two. Which sucks, because I love basketball and I've been waiting for the season all summer/early fall.
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Post#293 » by Negrodamus » Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:16 pm

roma258 wrote:
42uptop wrote:
roma258 wrote:I don't think anyone should be fired for executing the plan. But people should be evaluated on their performance. On what basis are we evaluating Brown? One running a coherent offense, establishing a defensive identity, developing young players?


There seems to be a mentality where someone either supports the tank and defends every aspect of it or hates the tank and wants guys to be fired. I support this rebuild but that doesn't mean I am going to bury my head in the sand. A few people are giving BB a pass for bad coaching this season. He doesn't deserve it.

I am starting to worry that he doesn't have the mentality to discipline our young players and limit their minutes when they screw up. He sticks to the same guys regardless of how they play. That is my biggest gripe and it bodes poorly for our future.

Yeah, it's hard to find that middle ground. Even harder to defend it, because you expose yourself to charges of hypocrisy (oh what did you think the tank would look like?!) Anyway, it's going to be a long season. We're just at game 11 right now. I have no idea how our guys are going to stick with it, keep trying, continue to develop. Not sure it's possible with the team as currently constituted. Might need to take a break from their games for a week or two. Which sucks, because I love basketball and I've been waiting for the season all summer/early fall.


I support the tank unconditionally for the remainder of this season. As soon as Free Agency 2015 opens up, our team better be lightyears better than it is right now. I'm willing to endure 2 years of ****, but not 3.
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Post#294 » by FreesFro » Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:42 pm

steveb21 wrote:
FreesFro wrote:
steveb21 wrote:Bledsoe is right. This team as constructed wouldn't beat Kentucky.

How many (future) lottery picks are on UK's roster? How many lottery picks on ours? Noel and MCW. McDaniels should've been a 1st rounder (lucky for us) but the rest of our team is filled with scrubs. Next year with Embiid and maybe Saric would be a different story but right now UK would crush us.


Crush us? What a joke.


You want a joke? Our team is a joke. We have one quality NBA player in MCW. We have two NBA prospects in Noel and McDaniels. We have a couple of fringe players in Wroten, LRMAM and Sims. The rest of the team is garbage. Does anyone think Jakarr Sampson could start on UK?

The tank has lost its luster. This is going to be a long year people.


Are you serious? This is going to be a long year? I didn't know that. Thanks!
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Post#295 » by thenbaman » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:01 pm

First i will start out by saying it will not be worth it in the end,never is.
We could get ten first picks in a row that is no guarantee of future success.
A few teams were lucky like the thunder with great players but there have
been teams that have gotten the first pick many years in a row(clippers)
and it never helped.
If you look at what we have now and what you all think is coming
in joel a player that may never be healthy again and the first pick next
year i just dont see it.
No player will want to come here and the players we do have now wont
want to stay here, thats what losing brings,if we were to win five championships
in a row the only thing people will remember is the long losing streak the sixers
had,thats the society we live in.
Once again bad ownership,bad front office and bad coaching== no direction.
To ownership we dont want a ten year plan,2/3 ok but you cant expect sixer
fans to pay for this garbage.
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Post#296 » by BullyKing » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:05 pm

Man, I just cannot take this nonsense anymore. I think I'll check in again around the draft.
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Post#297 » by Lapinski » Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:31 am

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Mogul wrote:I wish Dewayne Dedmon stuck around.


I think they planned for Varnado to be that other defensive role playing big and he looked decent last year, but when his leg issues came up they didn't do enough to replace him. Malcolm Thomas might have helped.


What leg issues did Varnado have? I thought cutting him was a bit of a head scratcher myself. I thought he defended well.


Found out it was an achilles problem that made the Sixers cut bait....he hasn't signed on to play anywhere since...shame.
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Post#298 » by steveb21 » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:34 pm

FreesFro wrote:
steveb21 wrote:
FreesFro wrote:
Crush us? What a joke.


You want a joke? Our team is a joke. We have one quality NBA player in MCW. We have two NBA prospects in Noel and McDaniels. We have a couple of fringe players in Wroten, LRMAM and Sims. The rest of the team is garbage. Does anyone think Jakarr Sampson could start on UK?

The tank has lost its luster. This is going to be a long year people.


Are you serious? This is going to be a long year? I didn't know that. Thanks!


Yeah dude, long year. But looking at your team logos you've got plenty to front run with. Have fun!
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Post#299 » by FreesFro » Fri Nov 21, 2014 4:42 pm

steveb21 wrote:
FreesFro wrote:
steveb21 wrote:
You want a joke? Our team is a joke. We have one quality NBA player in MCW. We have two NBA prospects in Noel and McDaniels. We have a couple of fringe players in Wroten, LRMAM and Sims. The rest of the team is garbage. Does anyone think Jakarr Sampson could start on UK?

The tank has lost its luster. This is going to be a long year people.


Are you serious? This is going to be a long year? I didn't know that. Thanks!


Yeah dude, long year. But looking at your team logos you've got plenty to front run with. Have fun!


Yep, that's me. Front running with them 76ers. And those Cowboys who have 2 playoff wins in 20 years. And Notre Dame who hasn't won a National Title in 25 years. And the Blackhawks who recently won their first Stanley Cup in 50 years. Wooooooo!!!

If I were frontrunning I could do a lot better job than that. Been a fan of all of those teams for a long, long time. I jumped on all those bandwagons when I was a kid and stuck with them all.
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Post#300 » by Sixerscan » Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:46 pm

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There's not many "plays" in the kind of offense they are running. It's a motion offense where you make decisions based on where the ball moves.

They aren't a lot of "plays" in many NBA offenses in general. This isn't high school ball.

Where is the motion? I consider it a play and where is the ball movement? Ball falling to floor and getting back up into mcw hand isnt it ^^
I am from europe, here plays arent only for high schools. Bad teams should run plays, if they dont have a good to great player on their team to ISO or draw double teams and so on

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I completely agree that they aren't running the offense as well as they could be. That is partially Brown's fault.


Following up because i just saw this number:

Going into Wednesday’s game, the Sixers assisted on 60.2 percent of their buckets. It was the 11th-best mark in the league.


They're up to 10th after last night.

We're also 3rd in the league in total passes per game. Even adjusting for our fast pace we're still above average.

This team has a lot of problems with scoring the ball, but it's not because they aren't moving it. It's because they aren't make shots.

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