Official "get the Hawks a center" thread

PandaKidd · Post #21 » by **PandaKidd** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:16 am

Just leaving this here, Lou Williams dropped 36 points vs CAVS tonight.

We lost a straight up scorer and a center for nothing....

Waiting to see those dividends pay off if ever

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Post #22 » by **Hawk Eye** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:13 am

PandaKidd wrote:Just leaving this here, Lou Williams dropped 36 points vs CAVS tonight.

We lost a straight up scorer and a center for nothing....

Waiting to see those dividends pay off if ever

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To be fair Lou just had an extremely hot night, it's not like he will perform anything close to what he did that game consistently. Actually "an extremely hot night" would be the least to say, when he gets going like that there's not many shots he can't make.

Anyways, health-wise he's obviously back and could have been doing this for us. Ferry just made a boneheaded salary dump move in hopes he could sign a big name FA this past off-season. Pretty sure those dividends will never get payed off.

ATLHawksfan21 · Post #23 » by **ATLHawksfan21** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 3:24 pm

PandaKidd wrote:Just leaving this here, Lou Williams dropped 36 points vs CAVS tonight.

We lost a straight up scorer and a center for nothing....

Waiting to see those dividends pay off if ever

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Lou looked great last night and I am starting to miss him some as our second unit continues to struggle offensively. It would be interesting to hear a detailed statement on what the motives were behind that move.

Was it made strictly to dump Lou? Or was it made in hopes of making a bigger trade which would include the contract of salmons. With the trade ending up not happening due to teams refusing to make any moves before lebron and melo signed. The deadline for a choice on salmons happened before they chose which team they would go to.

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theatlfan · Post #24 » by **theatlfan** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 4:38 pm

ATLHawksfan21 wrote:Lou looked great last night and I am starting to miss him some as our second unit continues to struggle offensively. It would be interesting to hear a detailed statement on what the motives were behind that move.

Was it made strictly to dump Lou? Or was it made in hopes of making a bigger trade which would include the contract of salmons. With the trade ending up not happening due to teams refusing to make any moves before lebron and melo signed. The deadline for a choice on salmons happened before they chose which team they would go to.

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This rumor already dropped. There wasn't any greater plan he had in mind; he wanted both the roster slots and the $$ to dive into FA. I don't have a link and I'm too lazy to go hunting for one, but there was a source who was saying that Ferry thought that "no one knew what the Hawks real plan was" (paraphrased... maybe), etc. Over the next few days, it was announced that we signed Thabo and were hot and heavy on Deng. I don't think it takes a genius to see that Ferry was chasing defensive wings and didn't want a light-it-up backup scorer or an end of the bench C prospect junking up his plans to get them. (Another note here: we didn't use Nogueira to dump Lou; we just dumped Nogueira in the same deal.)

Yungsta404 · Post #25 » by **Yungsta404** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:49 pm

I think urji wanted more value for john salmon's contract and Ferry was becoming desperate to get the cap to add talent to this team so they eventually agreed on giving up Bebe.

The moment he couldnt get the Deng on the deal he wanted he went after gasol. So I think Ferry was just in a scramble to try to add talent to this team and failed cause no1 wanted to come here

PandaKidd · Post #26 » by **PandaKidd** » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:17 am

Not saying Lou is the missing piece but that trade is looking worse by the day IMO.

Williams is having a great year as a 6th man role, and we gave up on a center (who may never step foot on an NBA court) for....

Thabo?

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atlantabbq99 · Post #27 » by **atlantabbq99** » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:30 am

PandaKidd wrote:Not saying Lou is the missing piece but that trade is looking worse by the day IMO.

Williams is having a great year as a 6th man role, and we gave up on a center (who may never step foot on an NBA court) for....

Thabo?

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You do understand that with Louis out, Dennis gets more playing time....... I'm okay with that.

atlantabbq99 · Post #28 » by **atlantabbq99** » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:35 am

John Jenkins for Bismack Biyombo ....

I was on the Hornets board and alot of them are mad that Biyombo doesn't get much playing time and seems to be in the dog house of their head coach, even though he seems to be productive when he is on the floor. Hornets fans are also up set about Stephenson and overall lack of 3pt shooting of the team.

simon24 · Post #29 » by **simon24** » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:31 am

atlantabbq99 wrote:John Jenkins for Bismack Biyombo ....

I was on the Hornets board and alot of them are mad that Biyombo doesn't get much playing time and seems to be in the dog house of their head coach, even though he seems to be productive when he is on the floor. Hornets fans are also up set about Stephenson and overall lack of 3pt shooting of the team.

Just give Brand more minutes.

ATLHawksfan21 · Post #30 » by **ATLHawksfan21** » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:09 pm

PandaKidd wrote:Not saying Lou is the missing piece but that trade is looking worse by the day IMO.

Williams is having a great year as a 6th man role, and we gave up on a center (who may never step foot on an NBA court) for....

Thabo?

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For our needs,

Thabo >>>>>>>> Lou

If anything, you should be questioning if we should have kept Lou Will instead of bringing in Bazemore. Thabo has been head and shoulders better than Bazemore thus far.

theatlfan · Post #31 » by **theatlfan** » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:15 pm

Lol - I'm sure we'd trade Jenkins for some donuts and coffee right now, and we'll even brew the coffee. Maybe CHAR wouldn't be looking for much more than that (bear claws?) for Biyomba so a deal could be struck but I also don't see us using Biyombo much. Just don't think Coach Bud coukd deal with Biyombo's deficiencies on O like some of our past coaches did for someone lie Collins.

PandaKidd · Post #32 » by **PandaKidd** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:07 am

Lou scores 17 tonight.....

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Post #33 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:20 pm

RealGM Wiretap wrote:Lou Williams and DeMarcus Cousins have been named NBA Eastern and Western Conference Players of the Week, respectively, for games played Monday, Nov. 17, through Sunday, Nov. 23.

Williams helped the Toronto Raptors to a 3-0 week, finishing fourth in the Eastern Conference with 23.7 ppg and ninth with 2.0 spg.

HERE

Are we sure we even WANT Danny Ferry to return as GM?

Raptor fans seem pleased with their GMs efforts in the last 2 years:

The Watcher wrote:Masai Ujiri strikes again!

DaFroMan wrote:for john salmons ladies and gentlemen....

ckp wrote:Masai doing great things wherever he goes

ATLHawksfan21 · Post #34 » by **ATLHawksfan21** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:11 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
RealGM Wiretap wrote:Lou Williams and DeMarcus Cousins have been named NBA Eastern and Western Conference Players of the Week, respectively, for games played Monday, Nov. 17, through Sunday, Nov. 23.

Williams helped the Toronto Raptors to a 3-0 week, finishing fourth in the Eastern Conference with 23.7 ppg and ninth with 2.0 spg.
HERE

Are we sure we even WANT Danny Ferry to return as GM?

Raptor fans seem pleased with their GMs efforts in the last 2 years:

The Watcher wrote:Masai Ujiri strikes again!

DaFroMan wrote:for john salmons ladies and gentlemen....

ckp wrote:Masai doing great things wherever he goes

Here's the hilarious part of your post. If we kept Lou, he would be playing instead of Dennis and you would be posting every day about how we are playing a middling vet over a promising young player.

Like Mace said, Lou is a SG in a PG's body. We don't have PG's big enough to guard SG's where Lou and a PG can play at the same time.

Fit is a big part of the equation and I highly doubt that Lou would have the success he is now if he stayed in Atlanta. With that said, he is certainly playing his tail off for Toronto and I can see why the move draws a lot of regret and questions. I wonder 'what if' a bit as well, but the facts speak for themselves.

Post #35 » by **Hawk Eye** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:48 pm

I don't want Ferryto return as our GM period. Not because of the Lou Williams trade though. I don't believe there is any recovering from his shananigans this off-season. I think it's best for this franchise to move forward with new faces. New owners, New GM, same HC :nod:

MaceCase · Post #36 » by **MaceCase** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:55 pm

Don't know how a thread about acquiring a center has turned into a referendum on a 6-2 guard. A small back court isn't going to help a small front court, like at all.

PandaKidd · Post #37 » by **PandaKidd** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:44 pm

MaceCase wrote:Don't know how a thread about acquiring a center has turned into a referendum on a 6-2 guard. A small back court isn't going to help a small front court, like at all.

Hes something this team doesnt have, a SCORER.

And we gave up a Center project.

So.........thats semi relevant to this thread.

I think what irks me more and more is seeing a 12ppg player at 5 million walking away WITH a Center (who granted may NEVER play) for................ nothing.

I think if you are going to go for it you GO FOR IT

Post #38 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:56 pm

ATLHawksfan21 wrote:Here's the hilarious part of your post. If we kept Lou, he would be playing instead of Dennis and you would be posting every day about how we are playing a middling vet over a promising young player.

Like Mace said, Lou is a SG in a PG's body. We don't have PG's big enough to guard SG's where Lou and a PG can play at the same time.

Fit is a big part of the equation and I highly doubt that Lou would have the success he is now if he stayed in Atlanta. With that said, he is certainly playing his tail off for Toronto and I can see why the move draws a lot of regret and questions. I wonder 'what if' a bit as well, but the facts speak for themselves.

I'm honestly not sure if this is true.

I wasn't a fan of Bazemore coming here. I was not a fan of us re-signing Mack either. Had we moved on without those guys, that'd leave a couple of key spots open for Dennis at Backup PG and Lou as scorer at the 1 or the 2.

We don't have PG's big enough to guard SG's where Lou and a PG can play at the same time.

Again, not sure if this is accurate. Especially when we've seen Teague play in the same backcourt with Dennis more and more. An especially when you take into account how much PT Shelvin plays a backup SG at 6'3".

Either way, Lou Will was an asset. And he was poorly managed.

I wonder 'what if' a bit as well, but the facts speak for themselves.

Which facts are you referring to? The 7-5 record? Our poor defense? Our bad rebounding?
As of Tuesday, ATL has the 13th best record in the NBA. TOR has the SINGLE best record in the league. Lou has indeed been a big part of that.

MaceCase · Post #39 » by **MaceCase** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:40 pm

PandaKidd wrote:
MaceCase wrote:Don't know how a thread about acquiring a center has turned into a referendum on a 6-2 guard. A small back court isn't going to help a small front court, like at all.

Hes something this team doesnt have, a SCORER.

And we gave up a Center project.

So.........thats semi relevant to this thread.

I think what irks me more and more is seeing a 12ppg player at 5 million walking away WITH a Center (who granted may NEVER play) for................ nothing.

I think if you are going to go for it you GO FOR IT

Uhm no, a scorer is not relevant to a thread about getting big men. It's even less relevant because he was a scorer that made it even more of an issue to have a center on this team. Do you get that? Not one of 3 prospects that maybe someday in the near future may actually break into the rotation but an actual productive day to day player that could cover for both Louis' own defensive liabilities and the liability of playing an undersized backcourt that can't assist an undersized frontcourt today.

This is the common sense of the matter. Louis was not some unknown quantity, he did not have this static value that exists all throughout a vacuum in the NBA just because he's a scorer. He's a COMBO scorer, a big part of how the leading scorer on a playoff team goes on to only sign for 5 million dollars in the first place is because there are a lot of deficiencies both in his game and his value to a team. How many combo guards from Mo Williams to Nate Robinson to Leandro Barbasa to even the last pick this board bitched about giving up in Jordan Crawford have bounced around in and out of the league in addition to totaling less money this year than what JR Smith is making? Why is that exactly? Does it have anything to do with their size and/or basketball being played on two sides of a court?

To a team sporting a 6'6" PG and big frontline it's a lot easier to incorporate a 6'2" SG and make him useful than to the 27 other teams in the league. This means you are entirely delusional as to whatever value you think Louis or any bench combo guard has and what he could possibly get you in a trade.

PandaKidd · Post #40 » by **PandaKidd** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:59 am

Facts are facts, we have a small front line and let a CENTER go with Lou Williams for john **** salmon's and cash WE NEVER EVEN SPENT.

Lou could have been the scoring on the second unit, that's my only point. This team needs talent and we let a pretty talented kid leave for ....... Cash and bench riders

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