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Mike D'Antoni vs. Byron Scott 

Post#1 » by Tiesto_Lakers » Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:33 pm

I was just thinking to myself that last years roster was playing pretty decent around the end of November. IMO, our roster this year is much more talented than it was last year yet we are 3-11 with basically no hope to even come close to a .500 record.

Does anyone else think that D'Antoni got more out of his players than Scott currently is? Scott likes slowing the game down and penetrating the lane, while D'Antoni preached a fast-pace offense with virtually every player having the green light. Both coaches are horrific defensively, but at least with D'Antoni we saw a fairly good offensive team.

Lin >>> Marshall, Farmar
Kobe >>> Meeks
Boozer >>> Kelly
Hill <<< Gasol, Kaman

Our bench is pretty weak this year (I expect Price to be waived shortly) but our starters have potential. Jeremy Lin under D'Antoni was Linsanity. Under Scott, he's basically the same as Steve Blake was last year for us.
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Post#2 » by ChokeFasncists » Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:41 pm

No contest.

This team is historically bad defensively and MDA is obviously the better offensive coach. I wonder if he would still resign if he knew Lin would be traded for, and if he's here, what exciting bball we'd be watching. Why, why, why???

Of course, Scott is better at commanding!
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Post#3 » by ArC_man » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:37 am

Um, last October/November we had a fully healthy squad minus Kelly and Nash. Young and Henry were both 100% and we also had Blake who was starting and playing extremely well before he got injured.
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Post#4 » by 5ertwenty » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:57 am

D'Antoni is a better coach in my opinion, but it doesn't even matter. Even with D'Antoni, we'd still suck. It's all about talent in this league. Even with Phil or Pop, we still wouldn't be more than a .500 team. Why are the Warriors so good? They have three all-stars in Klay, Curry, Iggy. Coaching will get you a few more wins here and there, and could be the difference between great and greatest, but in the end it's all about how much talent you have.
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Post#5 » by Danes90 » Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:37 am

I'm not arguing which coach is better. In my opinion, thing that matters is about the rosters. The team rosters can't fit well with each others. I don't mean the chemistry, I mean the play and the combination of the team. Lakers change their rosters pretty much. However, in this season, although the opening is not really good, we have the pretty good team with Lin, Kobe, Swaggy (it's a pity without the serve of Randle due to injury).
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Post#6 » by dockingsched » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:32 am

ArC_man wrote:Um, last October/November we had a fully healthy squad minus Kelly and Nash. Young and Henry were both 100% and we also had Blake who was starting and playing extremely well before he got injured.


Think you're forgetting about one kobe Bryant
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Re: Mike D'Antoni vs. Byron Scott 

Post#7 » by Tiesto_Lakers » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:37 am

dockingsched wrote:
ArC_man wrote:Um, last October/November we had a fully healthy squad minus Kelly and Nash. Young and Henry were both 100% and we also had Blake who was starting and playing extremely well before he got injured.


Think you're forgetting about one kobe Bryant


Exactly. The team last year had a .500 record at the beginning of December with starters Blake/Meeks/Johnson/S. Williams/Gasol and bench Farmar/Young/Kaman.

This years roster is much better yet has a much more horrific record.
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Post#8 » by ArC_man » Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:40 am

dockingsched wrote:
ArC_man wrote:Um, last October/November we had a fully healthy squad minus Kelly and Nash. Young and Henry were both 100% and we also had Blake who was starting and playing extremely well before he got injured.


Think you're forgetting about one kobe Bryant

This year in first 10 games:
Lin/Price
Kobe/Clarkson
Wes/Ellington
Boozer/Davis
Hill/Sacre

Last year:
Blake/Farmar
Meeks/X
Young/Wes
Williams/Hill
Pau/Kaman

If we had to draft players from both teams I would take Kobe first and then my next 3 picks would be from last year's team (Pau, Meeks, Young).
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Post#9 » by Sofa King » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:07 am

We are missing this guy.

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Post#10 » by Lorenzomax7 » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:33 am

Sofa King wrote:We are missing this guy.

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That's all. It's NOT really abt weather Lin is as good as Meeks/Blake or Young/Randle got injured. It's about the most valuable position in 5-man basketball: CENTER.
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Post#11 » by Lorenzomax7 » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:37 am

A good center with a bunch of scrubs and a good coach can still make noise. See the Pacers.
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Post#12 » by Michael Lucky » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:45 am

No matter how you look at it, Byron was supposed to help the D from last year. Instead it has gotten worse than what it was under MDA.
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Post#13 » by myersia » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:44 pm

I don't think our record has anything to do with our coach. We had brutal schedule this year and our roster is low on talent. I think the better question is what many posters have already stated I wonder what our record would be with Pau?
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Post#14 » by mcscotty » Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:23 pm

Last year was a lot more entertaining. I'll never forget the game we dropped 51 on the Knicks in the third. So awesome. The point is moot, though. Kobe is calling the shots this year, regardless of who's coaching.
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Post#15 » by Kilroy » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:07 pm

Sofa King wrote:We are missing this guy.

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Incidentally... A guy who hated MDA...
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Re: Mike D'Antoni vs. Byron Scott 

Post#16 » by Kilroy » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:21 pm

Michael Lucky wrote:No matter how you look at it, Byron was supposed to help the D from last year. Instead it has gotten worse than what it was under MDA.


Look at the personnel. No Pau, no Kaman, no Blake, no Farmar, no Bazemore, no Brooks, I even wonder if Meeks is a better defender than Young at this point. Shawne Williams?

We have a bunch of players outside of Linn and Davis who were supposed to be decent offensive players... Davis, who has been OK on D when he can stay on the court... And Linn, who I think even the Linn fanatics can agree has been worse than advertized on D.

Davis and when the Whim hits him, Wes, are the only 'hustle guys' on the team now... Hill's even taken a step back in that department.. Contract?

Boozer's a great spectator... Kobe hasn't been great on D for a few years now and has lost a step... Young can only play D with the ball in his hands... Price has lost his mind... No X, No Kelly... Clarkson is OK but he's a rookie and plays limited minutes... Ellington may be Ok, but he's still trying to figure out what role he needs to play in the NBA.

This is simply not an apples to apples discussion...
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Post#17 » by Slava » Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:19 pm

ChokeFasncists wrote:No contest.

This team is historically bad defensively and MDA is obviously the better offensive coach. I wonder if he would still resign if he knew Lin would be traded for, and if he's here, what exciting bball we'd be watching. Why, why, why???

Of course, Scott is better at commanding!


I don't know why people keep saying this. Our team offensive rating is good for 14th in the league so far with minimal sync. Our offensive rating even when we were 0.500 last season for the first 20 or so games was 22nd and below league average.

The team TS% this season is well below league average so it means we just have terrible shooters but still we manage to do well offensively because we are top 5 in drawing FTs per FGAs (TY Kobe) and offensive rebounding percentage (TY Hill).

We are not even a slow pace team this season, we are 7th in the league in terms of pace. The offense is just not the issue. Never was. It surely could improve if Kobe played smarter and some other guys pulled their heads out of their asses to make some perimeter shots. D'Antoni had 4 players shooting over 40% from 3 and Nick Young just around 39%. Scott's barely had that kind of weapons.

Our defense this season is historically bad. One of the reasons is that we foul a **** load, conceding the 2nd most FTs per FGA for any team.
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Re: Mike D'Antoni vs. Byron Scott 

Post#18 » by jigga_man » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:11 pm

Ed would have been the 15th man if D'antoni was still coaching
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Post#19 » by cw3k » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:40 pm

MDA >>>>>> Scott

At the very least, MDA has an offensive plan that no one can much. Defensive is :nonono: :nonono:

I feel like any high school coach is better than Scott. I have no idea what is Lakers offense or defense is. There is no 3s, no PnR, no ball movement.
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Post#20 » by Slava » Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:31 pm

cw3k wrote:MDA >>>>>> Scott

At the very least, MDA has an offensive plan that no one can much. Defensive is :nonono: :nonono:

I feel like any high school coach is better than Scott. I have no idea what is Lakers offense or defense is. There is no 3s, no PnR, no ball movement.


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