Official General NBA Discussion Thread V2.0

hell_razor · Post #1161 » by **hell_razor** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:52 am

as long as wiz and heat are losing I'm happy

bballsparkin · Post #1162 » by **bballsparkin** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:52 am

suntzuballin wrote:the knicks are tanking too lol

Too bad they are like the Leafs and will fail that too. hehe

Post #1163 » by **Undefeated** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:57 am

Scarface844 wrote:Curry is a chucker. He's a lethal chucker but a chucker none the less. This is why the Warriors won't go anywhere in the playoffs. It's nothing but jumpshots. The physicality and the defensive pressure is turned up a notch in the playoffs and those shots stop falling.

This is some cliche stuff lol. The Warriors are probably the closest to the Spurs in terms of emulating their offense and defense.

NinjaBro · Post #1164 » by **NinjaBro** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:00 am

It's over for the heat. 2 down, now for the bulls.

knickerbocker2k2 · Post #1165 » by **knickerbocker2k2** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:01 am

Man, Bosh likes to earn the big bucks, but doesn't show when his team needs it. GSW basically went on like 20-2 run to close out the game in 4th. That would never happen with our team because Lowry would find a way to get 2 points to stop the bleeding. Forget about scoring, Bosh doesn't even show for the ball.

knickerbocker2k2 · Post #1166 » by **knickerbocker2k2** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:04 am

NinjaBro wrote:It's over for the heat. 2 down, now for the bulls.

Why do you want the Heat to lose? Raptors have top 3 locked down. Heat with Wade in/out of lineup are no challenge to Raptors. I want them to finish 4/5 so we can avoid them. Wade is probably going to play all of the playoff games and that is 1st round team I want to avoid.

Scarface844 · Post #1167 » by **Scarface844** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:05 am

Undefeated wrote:This is some cliche stuff lol. The Warriors are probably the closest to the Spurs in terms of emulating their offense and defense.

No one comes close to what the Spurs do. The Spurs offense isn't predicated on jacking up 3's despite what many may think. It's about moving the ball, penetrating if possible and taking the best shot. Whether that's a 2, 3, layup, dunk, it doesn't matter.

They never pull up for dumb transition 3's besides the occasional Danny Green one and they don't live and die by 3's or jumpshots. In fact, what makes them so good is their high IQ defense, not offense.

Warriors always struggle in the post season because jumpshots don't fall and they're a jump shooting team. They're a good defensive and offensive team but a team like the Spurs, Mavs or Grizzlies expose their flaws on both ends. Comparing the Warriors to the Spurs is disrespectful.

bballsparkin · Post #1168 » by **bballsparkin** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:07 am

Undefeated wrote:
Scarface844 wrote:Curry is a chucker. He's a lethal chucker but a chucker none the less. This is why the Warriors won't go anywhere in the playoffs. It's nothing but jumpshots. The physicality and the defensive pressure is turned up a notch in the playoffs and those shots stop falling.

This is some cliche stuff lol. The Warriors are probably the closest to the Spurs in terms of emulating their offense and defense.

Bogut needs to stay healthy for them to have any shot at winning in the post season imo. And that's been a dodgy proposition to say the least. And Curry has already shown he can hit those shots any time of year.

knickerbocker2k2 · Post #1169 » by **knickerbocker2k2** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:12 am

Scarface844 wrote:
Undefeated wrote:This is some cliche stuff lol. The Warriors are probably the closest to the Spurs in terms of emulating their offense and defense.

LOL. Stop. No one comes close to what the Spurs do. The Spurs offense isn't predicated on jacking up 3's despite what many may think. It's about moving the ball, penetrating if possible and taking the best shot. Whether that's a 2, 3, layup, dunk, it doesn't matter.

Warriors pretty much shoot the 3 at the same rate as the Spurs do. The main difference is Spurs is all about ball movement and balanced scoring. Past 6/7 years the only 20 point scorer on the Spurs has being Parker (20.3 twice). Against Heat GSW backcourt scored like half their points. You will never see that with the Spurs.

The beauty of balance scoring is that you are not relying on one or two players. Curry/Thompson are hot now, but during stretches of the season (and games) they will struggle thus they will never match the elite teams. They are good players but they are not in the tier of Lebron/Durant.

Lateral Quicks · Post #1170 » by **Lateral Quicks** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:14 am

knickerbocker2k2 wrote:
NinjaBro wrote:It's over for the heat. 2 down, now for the bulls.

Why do you want the Heat to lose? Raptors have top 3 locked down. Heat with Wade in/out of lineup are no challenge to Raptors. I want them to finish 4/5 so we can avoid them. Wade is probably going to play all of the playoff games and that is 1st round team I want to avoid.

Indeed. It looks like a healthy Heat team is a top #4 seed. With Wade out so often, a #7 or #8 seed is a possibility. That said, I still think we take that series pretty handily, especially if Amir is healthy. The supporting cast just isn't there for the Heat this time around.

Post #1171 » by **Undefeated** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:15 am

Scarface844 wrote:LOL. Stop. No one comes close to what the Spurs do. The Spurs offense isn't predicated on jacking up 3's despite what many may think. It's about moving the ball, penetrating and taking the best shot. Whether that's a 2, 3, layup, it doesn't matter.

They never pull up for transition 3's besides the occasional Danny Green one and they don't live and die by jumpshots. In fact, what makes them so good is their defense, not offense. Warriors always struggle in the post season because jumpshots don't fall in the post season and they're a jump shooting team.

You must not follow the Warriors much then if you think all they do is jack up 3s. Their ball movement has been brilliant this season and the reason they were the turning the ball over so much early in the season was because they were constantly overpassing the ball and when you have a guy like Curry who has a tendency to make those highlight reel passes threading the needle with over the shoulder passes and behind the back passes turnovers are going to happen. Follow Amin Elhassan because he's always saying how good the Warriors offense as a result of their ball movement. Here's a couple of his tweets comparing them to the Spurs:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/AminESPN/status/531620582308474881[/tweet]

Scarface844 · Post #1172 » by **Scarface844** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:16 am

knickerbocker2k2 wrote:Warriors pretty much shoot the 3 at the same rate as the Spurs do. The main difference is Spurs is all about ball movement and balanced scoring. Past 6/7 years the only 20 point scorer on the Spurs has being Parker (20.3 twice). Against Heat GSW backcourt scored like half their points. You will never see that with the Spurs.

The beauty of balance scoring is that you are not relying on one or two players. Curry/Thompson are hot now, but during stretches of the season (and games) they will struggle thus they will never match the elite teams. They are good players but they are not in the tier of Lebron/Durant.

Yup. People like to point out that the Raptors won't go far in the playoffs because we don't have a consistent low post threat which is far. But how do these same people label GS a contender when they literally have 0 low post threats and are not in the upper tier at drawing fouls.

The Spurs aren't even good because of their offense. The defense they play is what makes them so good. They're without Splitter who is arguably the most important defender on that team and yet are still in the top 5.

The experience, the high IQ, the ability to execute under pressure mixed in with Pop's genius is unmatched by any team. On offense, they try and get the best shot. If that's a 3 so be it but that's not what they're built on.

tecumseh18 · Post #1173 » by **tecumseh18** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:16 am

I guess I'm the only one who likes to see Eastern teams beat Western teams as a matter of principle. The disparity is ridiculous so far this year, and it tarnishes the Raptors accomplishments in the eyes of the US media (who ignore that we're 4-0 so far against WC teams, and were over .500 against them last year).

Post #1174 » by **Undefeated** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:18 am

The Warriors currently rank first giving up 97.2 points per 100 possession. How is that not close to the Spurs again?

Scarface844 · Post #1175 » by **Scarface844** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:19 am

Undefeated wrote:You must not follow the Warriors much then if you think all they do is jack up 3s. Their ball movement has been brilliant this season and the reason they were the turning the ball over so much early in the season was because they were constantly overpassing the ball and when you have a guy like Curry who has a tendency to make those highlight reel passes threading the needle with over the shoulder passes and behind the back passes turnovers are going to happen. Follow Amin Elhassan because he's always saying how good the Warriors offense as a result of their ball movement. Here's a couple of his tweets comparing them to the Spurs:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/AminESPN/status/531620582308474881[/tweet]

I trust my own eyes. People can take small sample sizes, get caught up in the hype and compare all they want, when the playoffs roll around everyone will see why the Spurs are the Spurs.

Post #1176 » by **Undefeated** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:19 am

Scarface844 wrote:I trust my own eyes.

Lol what you know about ball? The guy is a former VC for the Suns lmao.

Lateral Quicks · Post #1177 » by **Lateral Quicks** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:20 am

I may have to change my mind on the Warriors. Barnes and Klay are improved, and the team is doing it defensively too. That offense is just downright scary, and they have a great bench with Iguodala, Green, Speights and Livingston. They should go far this year.

BangerBrotha · Post #1178 » by **BangerBrotha** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:21 am

Scarface844 wrote:
knickerbocker2k2 wrote:Warriors pretty much shoot the 3 at the same rate as the Spurs do. The main difference is Spurs is all about ball movement and balanced scoring. Past 6/7 years the only 20 point scorer on the Spurs has being Parker (20.3 twice). Against Heat GSW backcourt scored like half their points. You will never see that with the Spurs.

The beauty of balance scoring is that you are not relying on one or two players. Curry/Thompson are hot now, but during stretches of the season (and games) they will struggle thus they will never match the elite teams. They are good players but they are not in the tier of Lebron/Durant.

Yup. People like to point out that the Raptors won't go far in the playoffs because we don't have a consistent low post threat which is far. But how do these same people label GS a contender when they literally have 0 low post threats and are not in the upper tier at drawing fouls.

The Spurs aren't even good because of their offense. The defense they play is what makes them so good. They're without Splitter who is arguably the most important defender on that team and yet are still in the top 5.

The experience, the high IQ, the ability to execute under pressure mixed in with Pop's genius is unmatched by any team. On offense, they try and get the best shot. If that's a 3 so be it but that's not what they're built on.

I argue Golden State has some very good defensive players. Bogut is one of the best rim protectors in the league. Draymond Green is a very good on the ball and off the ball defender. Klay Thompson is very good at defending his position. Igoudala has slipped a bit, but is still ok in that area.

As for passing skills, Bogut and Lee are great passers for big man. Draymond Green is also pretty good. The only weak passers are Barnes and Klay. But all you want Klay to do is shoot.

Scarface844 · Post #1179 » by **Scarface844** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:22 am

Undefeated wrote:Lol what you know about ball? The guy is a former VC for the Suns lmao.

I never said anything bad about Steve Kerr. Kerr has been excellent for the Warriors (he was mediocre as a GM though). I'm pointing out the flaws in the team not Kerr although i'm sure he has some.

Post #1180 » by **Undefeated** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:26 am

Scarface844 wrote:I never said anything bad about Steve Kerr. Kerr has been excellent for the Warriors (he was mediocre as a GM though). I'm pointing out the flaws in the team not Kerr although i'm sure he has some.

I never said you did, but you said the Warriors aren't close to the Spurs when actually they are the closest of anyone that tries to mirror their offense and defense. You have a guy here who was a former video coordinator that knows more than either of us.