Official General NBA Discussion Thread V2.0

Scarface844 · Post #1181 » by **Scarface844** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:27 am

BangerBrotha wrote:I argue Golden State has some very good defensive players. Bogut is one of the best rim protectors in the league. Draymond Green is a very good on the ball and off the ball defender. Klay Thompson is very good at defending his position. Igoudala has slipped a bit, but is still ok in that area.

As for passing skills, Bogut and Lee are great passers for big man. Draymond Green is also pretty good. The only weak passers are Barnes and Klay. But all you want Klay to do is shoot.

Bogut is injury prone and unreliable. Green is good but nothing special. Thompson is an elite role player. Igoudala is declining. They're a good team and they'll be competitive but much like the Raptors, Grizzlies, Wizards, Mavs and a few other teams, their ceiling is the WCF (if things go right for them). They're not a title contender.

Inevitable · Post #1182 » by **Inevitable** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:28 am

If Bulls can't have a healthy Rose the East is ours to lose

Scarface844 · Post #1183 » by **Scarface844** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:30 am

Undefeated wrote:I never said you did, but you said the Warriors aren't close to the Spurs when actually they are the closest of anyone that tries to mirror their offense and defense. You have a guy here who was a former video coordinator that knows more than either of us.

That's completely different though. They may try to mirror the Spurs but they don't come close to what the Spurs do. It's taken the Spurs 15 years to do what they do now. When the playoffs roll around, I guarantee you all this "Warriors looking like the Spurs" talk will disappear.

knickerbocker2k2 · Post #1184 » by **knickerbocker2k2** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:34 am

Inevitable wrote:If Bulls can't have a healthy Rose the East is ours to lose

1.5 game since his return he is injured again. Bulls are never going to have full healthy roster.

Legal Non-Conforming · Post #1185 » by **Legal Non-Conforming** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:37 am

Washington played without power forward Nene, who missed his first game due to injury this season with plantar fasciitis in his right foot.

That's a big turn of events--plantar fasciitis is very difficult to heal. Usually, it requires completely shutting down the athlete. It's not something you can play through.

bballsparkin · Post #1186 » by **bballsparkin** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:38 am

Hinrich can't stay on Lawson poor guy.

Lateral Quicks · Post #1187 » by **Lateral Quicks** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:38 am

Scarface844 wrote:
BangerBrotha wrote:I argue Golden State has some very good defensive players. Bogut is one of the best rim protectors in the league. Draymond Green is a very good on the ball and off the ball defender. Klay Thompson is very good at defending his position. Igoudala has slipped a bit, but is still ok in that area.

As for passing skills, Bogut and Lee are great passers for big man. Draymond Green is also pretty good. The only weak passers are Barnes and Klay. But all you want Klay to do is shoot.

Bogut is injury prone and unreliable. Green is good but nothing special. Thompson is an elite role player. Igoudala is declining. They're a good team and they'll be competitive but much like the Raptors, Grizzlies, Wizards, Mavs and a few other teams, their ceiling is the WCF (if things go right for them). They're not a title contender.

Green will likely be on the bench once Lee returns. Iguodala is 30 and hardly declining. And since when do we call guards averaging 22 points a game on 43% shooting from the three with solid defense role players? I'd call Thompson one of, if not the best, current shooting guard in the entire league. You put Thompson on the Raptors and we're the favourites to win the ECF (then again, we might be already

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bballsparkin · Post #1188 » by **bballsparkin** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:39 am

"you've got a busted ankle and now a bruised rib.' Hahah

Post #1189 » by **pbj** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:39 am

I've never seen Dunleavy miss a 3, but he doesn't shoot 100% so I just assume he does once in a while

Post #1190 » by **Undefeated** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:40 am

Scarface844 wrote:That's completely different though. They may try to mirror the Spurs but they don't come close to what the Spurs do. It's taken the Spurs 15 years to do what they do now. When the playoffs roll around, I guarantee you all this "Warriors looking like the Spurs" talk will disappear.

Seems to me you're having a problem comprehending what I'm saying. I'm NOT saying they are exactly like the Spurs, but they're the closest of any team that mirrors their offense and defense whether or not that has yield tangible results yet. They have the exact same actions running Motion Strong/Weak, Floppy actions for Curry and Klay, and they've shown a little bit of the Triangle offense with the "Blind Pig" action when defenses overplay their shooters.

VinBaker6 · Post #1191 » by **VinBaker6** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:41 am

Inevitable wrote:If Bulls can't have a healthy Rose the East is ours to lose

Got injured again??? Wow

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Scarface844 · Post #1192 » by **Scarface844** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:43 am

Lateral Quicks wrote:Green will likely be on the bench once Lee returns. Iguodala is 30 and hardly declining. And since when do we call guards averaging 22 points a game on 43% shooting from the three with solid defense role players? I'd call Thompson one of, if not the best, current shooting guard in the entire league. You put Thompson on the Raptors and we're the favourites to win the ECF (then again, we might be already )

With or without Thompson we wouldn't win the east. If the Bulls and Cavs meltdown, we can win the east without a guy like Thompson. Point i'm making is, Thompson is good but he's not the difference between making the finals or losing in the ECF. He just doesn't have that sort of impact.

BangerBrotha · Post #1193 » by **BangerBrotha** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:43 am

Scarface844 wrote:As for passing skills, Bogut and Lee are great passers for big man. Draymond Green is also pretty good. The only weak passers are Barnes and Klay. But all you want Klay to do is shoot.

Bogut is injury prone and unreliable. Green is good but nothing special. Thompson is an elite role player. Igoudala is declining. They're a good team and they'll be competitive but much like the Raptors, Grizzlies, Wizards, Mavs and a few other teams, their ceiling is the WCF (if things go right for them). They're not a title contender.[/quote]

Draymond Green is their Amir Johnson. Bogut, yes, he is injury prone, but will be very reliable if he can stay healthy in the playoffs. Thompson is current day's Allan Houston with defense, and I don't think Allan Houston would be classified as a role player.

As for Stephen Curry and his shooting, he did have a 59% TS in his last year's playoffs, which I wouldn't say he dropped off that much and that is pretty high for a guard.

Lateral Quicks · Post #1194 » by **Lateral Quicks** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:44 am

It's got to be demoralizing for the Bulls to see Rose get injured every other game.

BangerBrotha · Post #1195 » by **BangerBrotha** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:44 am

VinBaker6 wrote:
Inevitable wrote:If Bulls can't have a healthy Rose the East is ours to lose

Got injured again??? Wow

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Damn, this is worse than Wince Carter back in the day.

Scarface844 · Post #1196 » by **Scarface844** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:46 am

Undefeated wrote:Seems to me you're having a problem comprehending what I'm saying. I'm NOT saying they are exactly like the Spurs, but they're the closest of any team that mirrors their offense and defense whether or not that has yield tangible results yet. They have the exact same actions running Motion Strong/Weak, Floppy actions for Curry and Klay, and they've shown a little bit of the Triangle offense with the "Blind Pig" action when defenses overplay their shooters.

And i'm saying, despite them looking the "closest" (which is very debatable) they come no where near what the Spurs do.

bballsparkin · Post #1197 » by **bballsparkin** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:48 am

Bogut is incredibly reliable when he is not injured. I'm not buying the Warriors as contenders but they definitely have a shot if healthy.

Scarface844 · Post #1198 » by **Scarface844** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:48 am

BangerBrotha wrote:Draymond Green is their Amir Johnson. Bogut, yes, he is injury prone, but will be very reliable if he can stay healthy in the playoffs. Thompson is current day's Allan Houston with defense, and I don't think Allan Houston would be classified as a role player.

As for Stephen Curry and his shooting, he did have a 59% TS in his last year's playoffs, which I wouldn't say he dropped off that much and that is pretty high for a guard.

Do you think they're title contenders?

raptorstime · Post #1199 » by **raptorstime** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:49 am

Bulls are better off trading rose if they really want to win a championship.

Scarface844 · Post #1200 » by **Scarface844** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:51 am

bballsparkin wrote:Bogut is incredibly reliable when he is not injured. I'm not buying the Warriors as contenders but they definitely have a shot if healthy.

I may be setting the bar to high but I've said this since the off season, the Spurs are the only title contender in the league.

Cleveland has a shot because they have a Lebron, OKC has a shot because they have Durant and the Mavs have a shot because they have Carlisle and Dirk but they're all still a tier below the Spurs imo.

Despite the west being very competitive, it's never been weaker at the top. Cleveland is only a contender because it has Lebron and the east is weak. Chicago=playoff chokers and injury prone players. We aren't title contenders and neither are the Wizards.