Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum

[Jdiddy701]

I would do Dragic + IT for Oladipo + Filler (s)

Gets rid of our guard log jam. Get a big this offseason and watch out.

Magic can't say no to that offer.


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[Jdiddy701]

Bledsoe
Oladipo
Tucker
Keef
Len

2nd unit -
Ennis
TJ
Green
Marcus
Plumlee

Archie still can't get burn. We might need to sign a backup PG.. Ish? I would love seeing Ennis develop early and Warren. The trade will allow that. I can dream.


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[Eney]

I would do Dragic + IT for Oladipo + Filler (s)

Gets rid of our guard log jam. Get a big this offseason and watch out.

Magic can't say no to that offer.


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Magic dont need Dragic. They are not in win now mode and wont be for the next few years, no point investing $$ in a PG that is 28 and without help wont bring them anywhere near the playoffs. You need to find a team that is in win now mode and needs a PG.

Houston needs a secondary playmaker. Dragic can go in the TPE they got for lin. They can offer the NOP first a couple of second rounders and whoever Phoenix wants except Ariza, Harden and Howard.

[Jdiddy701]

^ I think that puts Orlando in playoff positioning. Something they need there. Only thing would be Dragic resigning there which I don't see why he wouldn't. He's back with Frye. I think Orlando fans would like it, too.


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[lilfishi22]

I definitely think Orlando would be in a position to fight for a playoff spot in the short term if they have Dragic/Frye combo and their collection on young talent.

[Revived]

I want the Suns to get rid of low IQ high volume shooters.

Start with Green.

[kennydorglas]

We could get Biyombo basically for free. He's such an underrated player.
Split minutes between him&Len and we got a really good rotation at 5.

Or maybe make a move for Vonleh? Their frontcourt is so loaded

[LukasBMW]

The frustrating with Gerald Green is he hits 80% of his shots when he either catches and shoots, or catches and takes no more then 3 dribbles and shoots (catch, dribble around screen, shoot ----OR---- catch, drive to hole, dunk).

However he either misses (badly) or turns the ball over when he actually handles the ball. He's not a 1 on 1 guy. He can't post up. He can't direct the offense. He can't find the open man.

If he realized this and passed back to the PG if he didn't get a good look within 3 dribbles, we would have won the Toronto game and we wouldn't be itching to trade him. LOL.

[thamadkant]

We could get Biyombo basically for free. He's such an underrated player.
Split minutes between him&Len and we got a really good rotation at 5.

Or maybe make a move for Vonleh? Their frontcourt is so loaded

You know, every year on NBA 2K, I always trade for Biyombo for the Suns lol, and he develops nicely in Association mode lol.

With that said, I think McD will eye him next season when he is FA, Hornets may not resign him as they have Jefferson and Zeller at the PF/C spot and Biyombo may command higher than what they are willing to spend.

Plumlee was nice last season, but I think I'd rather have Biyombo as the defensive specialists, atleast if he doesnt score you know he is causing problems for the opponents defensively... Plumlee isnt on the same level in that regards.

[thamadkant]

The frustrating with Gerald Green is he hits 80% of his shots when he either catches and shoots, or catches and takes no more then 3 dribbles and shoots (catch, dribble around screen, shoot ----OR---- catch, drive to hole, dunk).

However he either misses (badly) or turns the ball over when he actually handles the ball. He's not a 1 on 1 guy. He can't post up. He can't direct the offense. He can't find the open man.

If he realized this and passed back to the PG if he didn't get a good look within 3 dribbles, we would have won the Toronto game and we wouldn't be itching to trade him. LOL.

Whats frustrating is... Green puts effort to dribble the ball literally with no intention to pass it out to open players.
If he could simply just spot up be a catch and shoot guy within the flow of the offense, he'd be a keeper.

But watching him be Kobe V2.0 without the ball handling skills, you wont blame his team mates get frustrated with him.

I'm sure Hornacek and his team mates give him the Green light to shoot when open or in a good spot... but to kill the offense flow and dominate possesions?.. I dont think that was the plan for him... he is playing for a contract.

[lilfishi22]

If we truly want to commit to the Bledsoe+Dragic backcourt, im sold that we need to explore the acquisition of a more complementary (I.e. stretch) PF. Ryan Anderson, hell, even kick the tyres on Ilyasova. I'm sure a rebuilding team like the Bucks would entertain a dump for say Tolliver, cash and an average pick.

Even still, I can't see Bled and Dragic's stats rivaling last year with Thomas on board, because even if we tailor the starting lineup to accommodate them as dual alpha-dogs, they no longer have their "alone time" when each has a turn running the bench as the primary scoring and creating option - Thomas now owns those minutes.

You have to respect what Bled has done, but if there was ever going to be a time to trade him, this is it. He appears completely injury free and his value is sky high.

But why Bledsoe? Why not Thomas or Dragic?

I feel like Bledsoe is one of the best young PG's in the league and has potential to be a top 5 PG in a few years. I wouldn't be so quick to move him.

[Saberestar]

I want the Suns to get rid of low IQ high volume shooters.

Start with Green.

I agree. If we really want a competitive playoff team, looking to be a contender in the next few years, we need players that can be embrace the concept's TEAM. Players that play team's basketball are a joy to watch for me, more than gunners like J.R. Smith, Nick Young or Gerald Green.
I miss that time when we had so many players with high IQ basketball and played team's basketball...last year we were better in that regard but we have regressed this year.
Players like Kurt Thomas, Grant Hill, Raja Bell, Diaw,Dudley, etc....we need more that kind of players.

[nevetsov]

But why Bledsoe? Why not Thomas or Dragic?

I feel like Bledsoe is one of the best young PG's in the league and has potential to be a top 5 PG in a few years. I wouldn't be so quick to move him.

Asset retention.

If we trade Bledsoe, Goran stays, and we end up with Dragic+Thomas+(value for Bledsoe).

Goran is expiring and has limited value, and if we don't do anything, he'll leave and we'll end up with just Bled+Thomas.

And we only just signed Thomas, so to flip a guy who signed with us even though he legitimately wants to be here, I can see that negatively affecting our ability to sign FAs in the future.

And Goran was a top 3 PG last year, and I see no reason why if put in a similar situation he would regress significantly in the near future. His game isnt completely predicated on athleticism - he relies on craftiness and BBIQ much like Tony Parker.

[thamadkant]

Suns / Nuggets

Suns
In: Gallinari
Out: Green

Why for Suns?
They get their 6'10 guy who can thrive off feeds on the perimeter.
Gives them spacing.

Why for Nuggets?
Gets them an all round scorer who can score 20ppg if given 15-17 shots a game.

[Revived]

We need to take advantage of the Derrick Rose injury situation.

Like I mentioned on the trade board, IT for Gibson.

Gibson is one of the better leaders and one of the best defensive PFs in this league. He can also hit from mid range well which should help with spacing. Kieff could return to the 6th man position so that his defensive shortcomings won't be as obvious.

We may even be able to run with Kieff and Gibson at the 4 & 5 when playing small ball in spurts.

Chicago gets a relatively cheap solution for their pg issues.

[phrazbit]

But why Bledsoe? Why not Thomas or Dragic?

I feel like Bledsoe is one of the best young PG's in the league and has potential to be a top 5 PG in a few years. I wouldn't be so quick to move him.

Asset retention.

If we trade Bledsoe, Goran stays, and we end up with Dragic+Thomas+(value for Bledsoe).

Goran is expiring and has limited value, and if we don't do anything, he'll leave and we'll end up with just Bled+Thomas.

And we only just signed Thomas, so to flip a guy who signed with us even though he legitimately wants to be here, I can see that negatively affecting our ability to sign FAs in the future.

And Goran was a top 3 PG last year, and I see no reason why if put in a similar situation he would regress significantly in the near future. His game isnt completely predicated on athleticism - he relies on craftiness and BBIQ much like Tony Parker.

But Bledsoe is our best asset, I don't see moving him as asset retention. Dragic is a good offensive player, but Bledsoe is easily the superior all-around talent, and IMO its not very close. If the way Dragic played last year with Bledsoe out is the only way to get the most out of him then IMO we should move Goran. You're not going to make the playoffs relying so heavily on a streaky pure offensive PG who is not a decent distributor. IMO he is arguably better as a combo 2, or at least he was last year, he just does not put up the same stats, but for the team he is more effective. But if people are stuck on him having to be the PG to thrive then he needs to go.

If it were up to me Thomas or Green would be the one to get shipped off. Thomas because his value is high, I have reservations about the chemistry he brings to the team and he is obviously redundant. Green because he is a straight chucking ball hog who is terrible defensively and only contributes in a positive way when he is on fire... but to the same end, when Green is on fire then the rest of the team is essentially frozen out of the offense.

[Saberestar]

We need to take advantage of the Derrick Rose injury situation.

Like I mentioned on the trade board, IT for Gibson.

Gibson is one of the better leaders and one of the best defensive PFs in this league. He can also hit from mid range well which should help with spacing. Kieff could return to the 6th man position so that his defensive shortcomings won't be as obvious.

We may even be able to run with Kieff and Gibson at the 4 & 5 when playing small ball in spurts.

Chicago gets a relatively cheap solution for their pg issues.

I would do this trade, but I doubt they are interested because they have Aaron Brooks to play that role.

[Saberestar]

I am open to trade Green for a lesser but interior player who can play some defense.

Green for Biyombo can be great for both teams, they need shooters.

Green + some late pick for Brandan Wright can be a good trade too and we can use him like a center a ton of minutes...he is a better option than Plumlee.

[lilfishi22]

Asset retention.

If we trade Bledsoe, Goran stays, and we end up with Dragic+Thomas+(value for Bledsoe).

Goran is expiring and has limited value, and if we don't do anything, he'll leave and we'll end up with just Bled+Thomas.

And we only just signed Thomas, so to flip a guy who signed with us even though he legitimately wants to be here, I can see that negatively affecting our ability to sign FAs in the future.

And Goran was a top 3 PG last year, and I see no reason why if put in a similar situation he would regress significantly in the near future. His game isnt completely predicated on athleticism - he relies on craftiness and BBIQ much like Tony Parker.

I think both Goran and Bledsoe have more long term value than Thomas. Thomas is a gunner, a very good one but a gunner at best. IMO Thomas is a short term guy. A guy who McD brought in to continue the dual-PG game.

In terms of our ability to sign FA's in the future...I don't think it would be affected. We signed Childress to a massive deal and yet we didn't use him. It didn't affect our ability to sign Goran or IT. And FWIW, I think we sold Thomas on false promises. At the point of his signing, it wasn't looking like Bledsoe would resign and we started looking at IT as the replacement. Long story short, Bledsoe got resigned and IT moved to the bench. There's no chance he would've signed with us with a potential starting role with LA if he knew he would be backing up Bledsoe/Dragic

[Revived]

We need to take advantage of the Derrick Rose injury situation.

Like I mentioned on the trade board, IT for Gibson.

Gibson is one of the better leaders and one of the best defensive PFs in this league. He can also hit from mid range well which should help with spacing. Kieff could return to the 6th man position so that his defensive shortcomings won't be as obvious.

We may even be able to run with Kieff and Gibson at the 4 & 5 when playing small ball in spurts.

Chicago gets a relatively cheap solution for their pg issues.

I would do this trade, but I doubt they are interested because they have Aaron Brooks to play that role.

I think the difference between IT and Brooks is somewhat similar to IT and Ish.

IT's just a lot better than those guys especially on a team like that which can mask all his defensive shortcomings while allowing him to get buckets without having to worry about sharing the ball or anything. Butler is the only other Bull who is healthy and a scorer.