Knicks Vs. Dal PG...Nothing stops our TANK.

[NBA Fan 1234]

tyson chandler won a DPOY and was an all-star with the knicks at one point and was an all-star with us.

he threw last year, i saw it, everyone saw it. We all know what he was capable of when he is focused, and giving 100% and he did neither. That isn't what we paid for we paid for 1st two year tysons minus the playoff performances.

tyson was well worth the money the first two years. He gave up last year and said he didn't want to be here. Good riddance.

I just don't understand why people expected Tyson to give 100% of what he does which is all the garbage work when no one was even giving 100% doing all the glamorous work i.e shooting.

I swear I saw him say "If ya'll don't give a fuq, I don't give a fuq either"
That team last year was the worst in terms of effort. The only dude that can have a pass from me over last year is Carmelo Anthony.

Pablo?

[waya]

Tyson was indeed a Grunwald move

[Besart19]

tyson chandler won a DPOY and was an all-star with the knicks at one point and was an all-star with us.

he threw last year, i saw it, everyone saw it. We all know what he was capable of when he is focused, and giving 100% and he did neither. That isn't what we paid for we paid for 1st two year tysons minus the playoff performances.

tyson was well worth the money the first two years. He gave up last year and said he didn't want to be here. Good riddance.

I just don't understand why people expected Tyson to give 100% of what he does which is all the garbage work when no one was even giving 100% doing all the glamorous work i.e shooting.

I swear I saw him say "If ya'll don't give a fuq, I don't give a fuq either"
That team last year was the worst in terms of effort. The only dude that can have a pass from me over last year is Carmelo Anthony.

Pablo and Cole, too!!

[ibraheim718]

If we can just hold Melo out for all of December.

[Besart19]

If we can just hold Melo out for all of December.

He has to... We can't afford another Larry Johnson... Or z Chris Webber 2.0.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I love Pablo, but I want to trade him. He deserves to be on a championship contending team if he wants to be on one. Ultimate professional, team player, and seems like a really nice guy.

[Besart19]

I love Pablo, but I want to trade him. He deserves to be on a championship contending team if he wants to be on one. Ultimate professional, team player, and seems like a really nice guy.

Memphis, Chicago, Cleveland or Portland!! Though would've been great for him playin in SA

[Deeeez Knicks]

All his buckets were spot up 3 pointers. You need to compensate for where he lacks elsewhere penetration, finishing at the bucket, and defending and I don't like compensating. On championship team he's a spot up 3 point shooter.. nothing else and nothing more.

I think he does more then just spot up and shoot 3's. There's a lot of value in having a vet that can control the pace, take care of the ball and make some smart decisions. There were a lot of times when he either slowed things down or made the right pass to initiate the offense. He can also run the pick n roll pretty well and make some plays too. He's not Tony Parker or Monta Ellis, but he can handle the rock and be a threat with his passing. I also didnt think his defense was bad this game.

Of course he has flaws though, but every team has players with flaws these days that you need to compensate for. I think its impossible to build a team with superstars all over the floor with no flaws.

When I was watching Barea got by him a few times pretty easily and Barea is a bench player.. he's not John Wall or Kyrie Irving two guys we're going to have to deal with if we want to win something.

And to me there isn't that much value on a guy that control the pace when it's a slow pace. Maybe 5 or 6 years ago but the league has changed to the point where in the playoffs it used to be about slowing it down and now it's about speeding it up. I noticed it the year Dallas won their championship.. the ball is moving like a blur and teams are focusing on running more because more jump shots are being shot. The saying was Playoff basketball was about being more physical (and it still is to an extent) whereas now it's about speed.. moving the ball with speed (See San Antonio) and moving up the court with speed (see Miami).

Calderon will get beat, but he was rotating well and in position. Our perimeter defense was a little better this game. Maybe some of that was Dallas being off or I was used to seeing awful defense and rotations from the Knicks or Calderon was fired up for this game. I'm not really expecting much defense from Calderon either way.

If we are looking at championship teams, you really need to do both. All those teams could push the pace and play halfcourt. So I do agree that we would need to compensate for Calderon in maybe having another guard that can push the pace.

But next to Melo and in this system, its also important to have a heady pg that can knock down shots. He fits a little in the mold of a Paxson, Fisher, Harper for at least what there roles were. TCalderon doesnt bring everything we need, but he does bring some things. The making smart decisions, setting up the offense, taking care of the ball and making crisp passes add some other things along with the shooting

[ibraheim718]

I love Pablo, but I want to trade him. He deserves to be on a championship contending team if he wants to be on one. Ultimate professional, team player, and seems like a really nice guy.

I hope he's playing for us just to cash a check he might have missed out on. Because I'd feel bad for him if he's here with the intention of being on a team that plays basketball the way he's used to playing basketball.

[Texas Chuck]

Reading this thread makes me realize something. Either NY or Dallas got Bizarro Tyson Chandler and the other city got the real guy.

All the things you guys are ripping the guy for not doing are exactly what he brought here the first go-around and has brought back again.

I have some theories:

1. Tyson Chandler fancies himself a leader--especially on the defensive end. Dirk wasn't threatened by this because Dirk has always been more a lead by example guy than a vocal guy. So he was willing to let Chandler be big voice in the locker room. I wonder if that "big voice" didn't go over as well in a Melo-led locker room?

2. You always have to look at the money and we've had him in contract years both times. Of course it doesn't explain him taking the Knicks defense from poor to really good and winning the DPOY immediately after getting paid.

3. Tyson hates losing more than most players. Some Knicks guys appeared to really not give an F last year and I can imagine Tyson probably chewed some guys tails. Fans don't like the angry voice even if ultimately he is correct.

4. Tyson somehow got really bad at basketball for 3 years, but is good again?

[ibraheim718]

I think he does more then just spot up and shoot 3's. There's a lot of value in having a vet that can control the pace, take care of the ball and make some smart decisions. There were a lot of times when he either slowed things down or made the right pass to initiate the offense. He can also run the pick n roll pretty well and make some plays too. He's not Tony Parker or Monta Ellis, but he can handle the rock and be a threat with his passing. I also didnt think his defense was bad this game.

Of course he has flaws though, but every team has players with flaws these days that you need to compensate for. I think its impossible to build a team with superstars all over the floor with no flaws.

When I was watching Barea got by him a few times pretty easily and Barea is a bench player.. he's not John Wall or Kyrie Irving two guys we're going to have to deal with if we want to win something.

And to me there isn't that much value on a guy that control the pace when it's a slow pace. Maybe 5 or 6 years ago but the league has changed to the point where in the playoffs it used to be about slowing it down and now it's about speeding it up. I noticed it the year Dallas won their championship.. the ball is moving like a blur and teams are focusing on running more because more jump shots are being shot. The saying was Playoff basketball was about being more physical (and it still is to an extent) whereas now it's about speed.. moving the ball with speed (See San Antonio) and moving up the court with speed (see Miami).

Calderon will get beat, but he was rotating well and in position. Our perimeter defense was a little better this game. Maybe some of that was Dallas being off or I was used to seeing awful defense and rotations from the Knicks or Calderon was fired up for this game. I'm not really expecting much defense from Calderon either way.

If we are looking at championship teams, you really need to do both. All those teams could push the pace and play halfcourt. So I do agree that we would need to compensate for Calderon in maybe having another guard that can push the pace.

But next to Melo and in this system, its also important to have a heady pg that can knock down shots. He fits a little in the mold of a Paxson, Fisher, Harper for at least what there roles were. Calderon doesnt bring everything we need, but he does bring some things.

I can agree with that. He's definitely a smart basketball player and the dude doesn't miss if he's spotting up. I can see Harper or fox or heck even a smaller version of Kukoc.

[Rock Bottom]

[Texas Chuck]

And yeah Calderon is a liability defensively, but he is such a good offensive player. It goes beyond the brilliant shooting as well. He never turns the ball over and he runs smart sets. If Amare or Melo or whomever gets really hot, Calderon will make sure they keep getting touches. If there is a mismatch he will find and exploit it.

Dallas misses him.

[Knicks_Fan2]

Reading this thread makes me realize something. Either NY or Dallas got Bizarro Tyson Chandler and the other city got the real guy.

All the things you guys are ripping the guy for not doing are exactly what he brought here the first go-around and has brought back again.

I have some theories:

1. Tyson Chandler fancies himself a leader--especially on the defensive end. Dirk wasn't threatened by this because Dirk has always been more a lead by example guy than a vocal guy. So he was willing to let Chandler be big voice in the locker room. I wonder if that "big voice" didn't go over as well in a Melo-led locker room?

2. You always have to look at the money and we've had him in contract years both times. Of course it doesn't explain him taking the Knicks defense from poor to really good and winning the DPOY immediately after getting paid.

3. Tyson hates losing more than most players. Some Knicks guys appeared to really not give an F last year and I can imagine Tyson probably chewed some guys tails. Fans don't like the angry voice even if ultimately he is correct.

4. Tyson somehow got really bad at basketball for 3 years, but is good again?

Tyson does fit better on dallas but let's see what he does after this season.


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[Besart19]

When I was watching Barea got by him a few times pretty easily and Barea is a bench player.. he's not John Wall or Kyrie Irving two guys we're going to have to deal with if we want to win something.

And to me there isn't that much value on a guy that control the pace when it's a slow pace. Maybe 5 or 6 years ago but the league has changed to the point where in the playoffs it used to be about slowing it down and now it's about speeding it up. I noticed it the year Dallas won their championship.. the ball is moving like a blur and teams are focusing on running more because more jump shots are being shot. The saying was Playoff basketball was about being more physical (and it still is to an extent) whereas now it's about speed.. moving the ball with speed (See San Antonio) and moving up the court with speed (see Miami).

Calderon will get beat, but he was rotating well and in position. Our perimeter defense was a little better this game. Maybe some of that was Dallas being off or I was used to seeing awful defense and rotations from the Knicks or Calderon was fired up for this game. I'm not really expecting much defense from Calderon either way.

If we are looking at championship teams, you really need to do both. All those teams could push the pace and play halfcourt. So I do agree that we would need to compensate for Calderon in maybe having another guard that can push the pace.

But next to Melo and in this system, its also important to have a heady pg that can knock down shots. He fits a little in the mold of a Paxson, Fisher, Harper for at least what there roles were. Calderon doesnt bring everything we need, but he does bring some things.

I can agree with that. He's definitely a smart basketball player and the dude doesn't miss if he's spotting up. I can see Harper or fox or heck even a smaller version of Kukoc.

Harper with better playmaking abilities... Btw, Wear can be our Fox

Toni Kukoc = Lamar Odom... Other than Nicolas Batum, I can't recall other similar player

[Yodi2007]

Keep the tank on it's destined path!

[nykballa2k4]

Reading this thread makes me realize something. Either NY or Dallas got Bizarro Tyson Chandler and the other city got the real guy.

All the things you guys are ripping the guy for not doing are exactly what he brought here the first go-around and has brought back again.

I have some theories:

1. Tyson Chandler fancies himself a leader--especially on the defensive end. Dirk wasn't threatened by this because Dirk has always been more a lead by example guy than a vocal guy. So he was willing to let Chandler be big voice in the locker room. I wonder if that "big voice" didn't go over as well in a Melo-led locker room?

2. You always have to look at the money and we've had him in contract years both times. Of course it doesn't explain him taking the Knicks defense from poor to really good and winning the DPOY immediately after getting paid.

3. Tyson hates losing more than most players. Some Knicks guys appeared to really not give an F last year and I can imagine Tyson probably chewed some guys tails. Fans don't like the angry voice even if ultimately he is correct.

4. Tyson somehow got really bad at basketball for 3 years, but is good again?

There was no bizzaro anything. Tyson was solid here all 3 years. Unfortunately since we did not trust our reserves last season we basically wanted to play Tyson more than he could go for and he was never quite right. Additionally our system was just flat out horrible on defense. Switching on defense led to mismatches EVERY TIME and as a result you had Tyson leaving the paint to cover on the wing. Tyson knows he can't be out on the perimeter. So Chandler was disruptive. It is no coincidence that of the 4 players who were in the dog house with Woodson were Shumpert, Artest, Chandler and Udrih. Of those 4, 3 of them actually are considered GOOD defensive players. They all did not buy into the system at all and thus you have a complete mess.

Chandler was obviously great for us for almost 2 seasons (DPOY, AllStar) but that playoff series vs Indy he was handled. That was when this board really turned on him. Hibbert looked like Shaq and Chandler looked like Brian Grant. Later on it was theorized that Tyson was actually hurt during the series (I believe this was also confirmed).

What you are seeing now is the "real" tyson chandler. However, he has always been a bit immature and requires a cap on his minutes for his energy level to remain high. Right now you guys have a wonderful handcuff in Wright. Combined you have 48 minutes of hustle at center.

I still see the Tyson trade-back as a move made due to parts other than Tyson rather than to remove HIM from the locker room.

Losing Tyson was bad for us, but gaining Calderon can change the culture on offense. Tyson is a finisher and a pick setter. He isn't the guy who makes extra passes and keeps everyone feeling involved. Calderon will help with that atmosphere and that is actually what Phil meant by change in culture. From Felton waddling down, driving and flipping up a floater at a 30% clip to Calderon who comes down and looks to make sure "everyone gonna eat"(thanks amare).

[nykballa2k4]

Calderon will get beat, but he was rotating well and in position. Our perimeter defense was a little better this game. Maybe some of that was Dallas being off or I was used to seeing awful defense and rotations from the Knicks or Calderon was fired up for this game. I'm not really expecting much defense from Calderon either way.

If we are looking at championship teams, you really need to do both. All those teams could push the pace and play halfcourt. So I do agree that we would need to compensate for Calderon in maybe having another guard that can push the pace.

But next to Melo and in this system, its also important to have a heady pg that can knock down shots. He fits a little in the mold of a Paxson, Fisher, Harper for at least what there roles were. Calderon doesnt bring everything we need, but he does bring some things.

I can agree with that. He's definitely a smart basketball player and the dude doesn't miss if he's spotting up. I can see Harper or fox or heck even a smaller version of Kukoc.

Harper with better playmaking abilities... Btw, Wear can be our Fox

Toni Kukoc = Lamar Odom... Other than Nicolas Batum, I can't recall other similar player

Gallinari is probably the current Lamar Odom type.

[E-Balla]

3. Tyson hates losing more than most players. Some Knicks guys appeared to really not give an F last year and I can imagine Tyson probably chewed some guys tails. Fans don't like the angry voice even if ultimately he is correct.

No one seemed to give less of an F then Tyson last year outside of JR. We were mad at him chewing people out while doing what he was mad at them doing.

[Besart19]

I can agree with that. He's definitely a smart basketball player and the dude doesn't miss if he's spotting up. I can see Harper or fox or heck even a smaller version of Kukoc.

Harper with better playmaking abilities... Btw, Wear can be our Fox

Toni Kukoc = Lamar Odom... Other than Nicolas Batum, I can't recall other similar player

Gallinari is probably the current Lamar Odom type.

Better shooter and defender, worse passer, rebounder and driver/finisher!!