Will Derrick rose ever be back to MVP Form

[WindyCityBorn]

he's been so bad this year

He has only had one bad game..the last one.

[TimRobbins]

he's been so bad this year

He has only had one bad game..the last one.

Yeah. When he played, he looked pretty much OK. Not MVP level, but still pretty good.

[veji1]

Yeah. When he played, he looked pretty much OK. Not MVP level, but still pretty good.

To me chances are Derrick Rose could be on a post2000 Grant Hill type of trajectory : Still very good when he is able to play, but not MVP good anymore nor able to play that often. It really is the best example I could find of what I fear will be his carreer from now on. in 2004/2005 Grant hill had a very productive season for example, playing 65+ games, going for almost 20ppg with solid %. But he couldn't sustain this type of solid play, he kept getting injured.

My take is that when Rose can string some games together and get in a rythm, he will be a 20ppg/7asts type of player. But unfortunately injuries, ryhtm issues will probably often derail that. Anyway this is pure conjecturing on my part, just my gut feeling.

[TimRobbins]

To me chances are Derrick Rose could be on a post2000 Grant Hill type of trajectory : Still very good when he is able to play, but not MVP good anymore nor able to play that often. It really is the best example I could find of what I fear will be his carreer from now on. in 2004/2005 Grant hill had a very productive season for example, playing 65+ games, going for almost 20ppg with solid %. But he couldn't sustain this type of solid play, he kept getting injured.

My take is that when Rose can string some games together and get in a rythm, he will be a 20ppg/7asts type of player. But unfortunately injuries, ryhtm issues will probably often derail that. Anyway this is pure conjecturing on my part, just my gut feeling.

Out of all the injuries, I think this Hamstring injury is most telling. These type of injuries happen when your body is misaligned and I'm afraid it will be recurring for Rose.

Nevertheless, when he does play, he plays pretty well.

[lukeman89]

To me chances are Derrick Rose could be on a post2000 Grant Hill type of trajectory : Still very good when he is able to play, but not MVP good anymore nor able to play that often. It really is the best example I could find of what I fear will be his carreer from now on. in 2004/2005 Grant hill had a very productive season for example, playing 65+ games, going for almost 20ppg with solid %. But he couldn't sustain this type of solid play, he kept getting injured.

My take is that when Rose can string some games together and get in a rythm, he will be a 20ppg/7asts type of player. But unfortunately injuries, ryhtm issues will probably often derail that. Anyway this is pure conjecturing on my part, just my gut feeling.

Out of all the injuries, I think this Hamstring injury is most telling. These type of injuries happen when your body is misaligned and I'm afraid it will be recurring for Rose.

Nevertheless, when he does play, he plays pretty well.

a hamstring injury can happen for any number of reasons. not just the one you stated.

[Trm3]

This thread topic should be "Will Derrick Rose ever play 10 games in a row without an injury, let alone 5?"

[Ice Man]

My guess is if he can stay healthy for a full month, he will play like an MVP. A very big if.

[veji1]

To me chances are Derrick Rose could be on a post2000 Grant Hill type of trajectory : Still very good when he is able to play, but not MVP good anymore nor able to play that often. It really is the best example I could find of what I fear will be his carreer from now on. in 2004/2005 Grant hill had a very productive season for example, playing 65+ games, going for almost 20ppg with solid %. But he couldn't sustain this type of solid play, he kept getting injured.

My take is that when Rose can string some games together and get in a rythm, he will be a 20ppg/7asts type of player. But unfortunately injuries, ryhtm issues will probably often derail that. Anyway this is pure conjecturing on my part, just my gut feeling.

Out of all the injuries, I think this Hamstring injury is most telling. These type of injuries happen when your body is misaligned and I'm afraid it will be recurring for Rose.

Nevertheless, when he does play, he plays pretty well.

The worry to me, and I am no expert at all, is that he has now a systemic problem with his lower limbs, basically that they can never be a stable functioning ensemble, which would mean that he is bound to keep having lots of little/medium problems. A bit like Hill again, whose bad ankle led to knee injury etc...

Again I am no expert but my fear is that Rose could become a bit like the french footballer Aboud Diaby whose career was ruined by an ankle injury in 2006. Since then it's just as if his limbs have become an unstable jenga tower, you keep rebuilding it, it keeps falling because the foundations have been taken away. I hope I am wrong, but I could see Rose having an OK career for quite some time, but just never at his MVP level anymore and missing lots of games every season. really like a premature Grant Hill in a way.

[BoozerRoNo]

Derrick plays well when he plays but I want to see him play well more than just against struggling teams and points guards that don't care to play defense like Irving, Jennings, etc. I want to see him against Lillard, Paul, Parker, Westbrook type point guards playing good.

[th4d]

I used to be really down on the whole rose situation. I seemed to have lost all patience, but now I'm thinking all it will take is time.

He has to shake his rust off, both mentally and physically. More mentally I reckon. It's november, if there is a time to be cautious and conservative it is now.

It's to early to judge and tell. But everyone does it anyway since there's nothing else to do or talk about.

Like our friend Lebron preaches to the media, the fans and his team mates, struggling is part of the process, and dealing with Rose's mental and physical health is gonna be our struggle this season (not that it wasn't the past two seasons for us fans).

We're all on the Rose train together and there is still no reason to believe he won't return/become an all time great.

At this point I'm more worried about Thibedeaux's alpha status than anything else. There's no easy or comfortable way for him, and that team doesn't seem to be d'accord with that thought. Or doesn't want to be? Anymore?

[pb-ceo]

defensively, when he has played, I don't see him engaged. his offense is not anywhere near mvp form. his shot actually looks better to me. and his handle and floor game remains the big weakness. a/t ratio very poor. I don't think he's going to be in the paint rebounding the ball like in years past. while I wish him the best, history suggests it's a hard road back.

[Pe_Mar]

My opinion is, Rose can be back to MVP, yes.
We have witnessed that already this year (Pre-season against the Cavs for example, where he went for 30 in like 28 minutes), that was a near MVP-like Derrick. He added some range and shot to his game (even though i think his form is really ugly from outside, leading to a lot of short shots) which can help his offensive game.

The thing is, dude is a mess mentally. Like seriously, and i'm not kidding here, he probably has nightmares everynight about getting injured again.
When he came off the pre-season and in team USA he was playing great and was fearless. Once he sprained his ankle he started to feel the pressure from the media and everyone else around him. Then he hurt his Hamstring. Put yourself in his shoes now.

Last game against Denver, i believe he wasn't hurt, i believe that when he left he didn't hurt himself, he got scared when going for that rebound. You can see that when he was landing he was looking down on the floor to try to not step on anybody's foot. He got scared and asked to leave.
Now, he has got to let all of this fear behind him. He wasn't even driving to the rim that game, he was just passing the ball and shooting some crazy 3pt shots.

Once he plays some games he will lose that fear and start to play like D.Rose again, and physically we have seen that he has his old speed and quickness, plus a better outside shot and some floaters. In theory, that makes him a better player than he was before he got injured. Let's see, key here is consistency, not only being healthy but being able to play every match with the same attitude and not doubt himself and or fear something might happen.

[kyrv]

He can become a better player then he was by adding better outside shooting but he'll never be on a team that will depend on his scoring like it did back in his MVP year.

This team will.

Interesting, Deng and Boozer were the only double digit players Chicago has lost and a 3pt specialist who scored 8.3 pts per game, not to mention our SG(Brewer/Bogans) which averaged 6.2 pts and 4.4 pts respectively. Gibson was the 6th highest PPG player from that squad dropping 7.1 pts a night.

This team just has way more offensive talent. Gasol will cover Boozer's scoring. MD3 and McDermott will get 20 of the 25 Deng and Korver brought, Butler and Hinrich will blow away Brewer and Bogan's production and then the other players off the bench? Gibson will easily outscore anyone he had on the bench back then, A.Brooks will be more productive then Watson. Our 4th big(Mirotic) is light years ahead of where Asik was offensively.

This year's Bulls are way more diverse and unlike that old Bulls team, Rose won't be focused on defensively by the whole team like he once was because of the added offense and the diversity of that offense.

Well said. I also believe Rose's play will be sufficient. Just obviously the health is an issue.

Rose now on that previous team, I agree with him that would not likely work.

[kyrv]

My opinion is, Rose can be back to MVP, yes.
We have witnessed that already this year (Pre-season against the Cavs for example, where he went for 30 in like 28 minutes), that was a near MVP-like Derrick. He added some range and shot to his game (even though i think his form is really ugly from outside, leading to a lot of short shots) which can help his offensive game.

The thing is, dude is a mess mentally. Like seriously, and i'm not kidding here, he probably has nightmares everynight about getting injured again.
When he came off the pre-season and in team USA he was playing great and was fearless. Once he sprained his ankle he started to feel the pressure from the media and everyone else around him. Then he hurt his Hamstring. Put yourself in his shoes now.

Last game against Denver, i believe he wasn't hurt, i believe that when he left he didn't hurt himself, he got scared when going for that rebound. You can see that when he was landing he was looking down on the floor to try to not step on anybody's foot. He got scared and asked to leave.
Now, he has got to let all of this fear behind him. He wasn't even driving to the rim that game, he was just passing the ball and shooting some crazy 3pt shots.

Once he plays some games he will lose that fear and start to play like D.Rose again, and physically we have seen that he has his old speed and quickness, plus a better outside shot and some floaters. In theory, that makes him a better player than he was before he got injured. Let's see, key here is consistency, not only being healthy but being able to play every match with the same attitude and not doubt himself and or fear something might happen.

I think Thibs agrees and partly why he wants him out there.

It being mental would be great - the alternative is we are scrooged.

[dhoward1001]

He's done >Westbrook him

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