2014 Offseason Thread

[Neddy]

from fangraphs, exactly.

look up the old archive, there is even a lengthy article about how terrible Hanley was at 3rd base beyond misery.

You referenced a "defensive rating". What did you mean?

a quick simple term for both fan graphs and baseball reference's numerous categories. if you rather i specify to UZR or some other, my apologies.

[Stanford]

from fangraphs, exactly.

look up the old archive, there is even a lengthy article about how terrible Hanley was at 3rd base beyond misery.

You referenced a "defensive rating". What did you mean?

a quick simple term for both fan graphs and baseball reference's numerous categories. if you rather i specify to UZR or some other, my apologies.

I just want to know what you meant by defensive rating, that's all. All of Fangraphs' metrics point to this:

We don't have a large enough sample to say that he's better or worse at 3B, but the numbers we do have lead one to believe that he's less of a liability at third.

[Neddy]

You referenced a "defensive rating". What did you mean?

a quick simple term for both fan graphs and baseball reference's numerous categories. if you rather i specify to UZR or some other, my apologies.

I just want to know what you meant by defensive rating, that's all. All of Fangraphs' metrics point to this:

We don't have a large enough sample to say that he's better or worse at 3B, but the numbers we do have lead one to believe that he's less of a liability at third.

I should have used the word "metric" instead, and trust me there is a lengthy article deep in their archive when Hanley was still playing for the Marlins and they do go very deep into this very topic. I remember reading about it and making a thread regarding that very topic in one of the other sports discussion forums.

[Stanford]

I should have used the word "metric" instead

Then show me the metric that shows that Hanley is worse at third!

[Neddy]

I should have used the word "metric" instead

Then show me the metric that shows that Hanley is worse at third!

I already told you where to look.

[Neddy]

jesus man, I found the article in a nano second. I don't understand why you couldn't, but here.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/hanley-r ... hird-base/

[Stanford]

Here's what you said:

Hanley for example, posted far worse defensive rating at 3rd when he was moved there with his last season as a marlin than he ever did as a SS.

The article you posted claims that Hanley projects to be worse at third because two players that aren't Hanley Ramirez got worse after they moved to third as they got older and slower. All the article really states is that players generally get worse defensively as they age.

It doesn't mention at all that Hanley posted far worse defensive rating at 3rd when he was moved there with his last season as a marlin than he ever did as a SS. If it does, please quote it, because I missed it.

[Neddy]

Here's what you said:

Hanley for example, posted far worse defensive rating at 3rd when he was moved there with his last season as a marlin than he ever did as a SS.

The article you posted claims that Hanley projects to be worse at third because two players that aren't Hanley Ramirez got worse after they moved to third as they got older and slower. All the article really states is that players generally get worse defensively as they age.

It doesn't mention at all that Hanley posted far worse defensive rating at 3rd when he was moved there with his last season as a marlin than he ever did as a SS. If it does, please quote it, because I missed it.

****, I was remembering an article I read from three years ago, so i was little off in detail but you couldn't even find it when it was right in front of you. so i was little hazy in detail but I also remember his stat evaluation some time after that supported this article. just be thankful I found it for you.

[Stanford]

So you admit, Hanley is probably better off at third.

[Neddy]

So you admit, Hanley is probably better off at third.

haha if that was the case why is he playing LF for the Redsox? nice try.

[Neddy]

just for the **** and giggles, here you go

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?pl ... osition=SS


scroll down to advanced fielding. 860 innings seem like a decent sample size.
.679 RZR? laughable.

[Stanford]

So you admit, Hanley is probably better off at third.

haha if that was the case why is he playing LF for the Redsox? nice try.

Better off at third than short, I mean. He's a defensive liability anywhere, and Sandoval is a very good defensive third baseman. I/we were speaking hypothetically

[Neddy]

So you admit, Hanley is probably better off at third.

haha if that was the case why is he playing LF for the Redsox? nice try.

Better off at third than short, I mean. He's a defensive liability anywhere, and Sandoval is a very good defensive third baseman. I/we were speaking hypothetically

why don't you recalculate his UZR. in 2007 he dislocated his throwing shoulder yet he played through that season which rated -21.8 UZR. you minus that season's number and suddenly he played better at SS than he ever did at 3rd base.

got more?

[Stanford]

860 innings seem like a decent sample size.

It doesn't even qualify him to appear on the statistical leader board for that year. Defensive metric needs a much larger sample size than that. And you can't compare a third baseman's RZR with a shortstops; the zones measured are not the same.

in 2007 he dislocated his throwing shoulder yet he played through that season which rated -21.8 UZR. you minus that season's number and suddenly he played better at SS than he ever did at 3rd base.

Take away 2007 and you're still left with three seasons of double digits runs below average per 150. If anything, it's inconclusive. But the numbers do not back you up. At least not the ones you're quoting.

why don't you recalculate his UZR.

Why don't you recalculate it? It's your argument.

[Neddy]

so your last argument is based on semantics. well done, lad. well done.




FYI, Hanley's last season is obviously due to the aging and deterioration of his skill set, and did not play a single inning as a 3rd base so there is no comparative sample therefore you negate that when statistical comparison is made.

once you negate last season and that shoulder injury season, his UZR is better than -6 by a mile.

so come again?

[El Turco]

Nerds.

[Neddy]

Nerds.

lol

[Stanford]

once you negate last season and that shoulder injury season, his UZR is better than -6 by a mile

You're changing your argument. Sorry for having to quote this to you so many times, seeing as though you were wrote it, but here it is again:

Hanley for example, posted far worse defensive rating at 3rd when he was moved there with his last season as a marlin than he ever did as a SS.

He had plenty of seasons with a worse UZR/150 than 6. And I'm not convinced if you recalculated his UZR/150 it would be miles ahead of -6. And no, I'm not doing your work for you.

so come again?

I try to be civil with these Dodger fans, Tyrus, but they can't help themselves with their little comments. I cannot be held responsible for my actions.

[TheKingofSting]

Braves need to sign someone.

[Stanford]

Baseball needs to happen.