Can't believe how bad we played

[Eiknarflin]

You weren't watching the game then, Malko. Dez was hit three times before the ball arrived, not just tapped, but grabbed and pushed. Even the announcers mentioned it. You are being a complete homer if you can't acknowledge that.

I'm not saying it cost the game, but it killed three drives and kept us from having the ball in the red zone all three times.

I do think Dallas' O-line will be more effective in our next meeting. They were obviously tired from the short week. Next time they will have eleven days off. I think Philly still wins that game, but it will be a much tighter contest.

[Eiknarflin]

I wasn't defending Harris on the play. I do think it was a dirty thing to do and it wasn't going to affect the outcome of the game. My only point is that it is not a rule violation and no flag should have been thrown. Punt receivers are allowed to come off the ball and block the punt coverage guys to assist in getting better field position.

Now, if you can show me in the rule book that it was a rule violation, I will concede the point.

And the hit on Sanchez was also not a rule violation. If the QB ducks into a head shot, there is no violation. I'm not saying he did it intentionally - it just happened. It's the same as when a receiver ducks to avoid a collision and then takes a head shot. If a flag is thrown, it is almost always picked up because the defender was obviously not going for the head. Mincy did not go for Sanchez's head. Sanchez put his head down and it got hit and subsequently pulled backward as Sanchez stood up.

[ncmalko1]

Sanchez didnt get hit in his head though with an opposing helmet. His helmet was grabbed which is illegal. I see what your point is but youre arguing two different rules.

Tell me what drives these were so I can go rewatch them. I dont remember Dez even being targeted all those times and I dont remember the announcers saying anything except for the blatant pass interference that wasnt called on this first drive. After that I'd like to see where Dez was triple covered and pass interfered with 3 times and not called.

[Jarntt]

I said these were both bad D's but Phillys was better and I got mocked by PDay. After watching that game it isnt obvious??? We came into the game 2nd in sacks and have been playing well against the run for a while now. The front 7 is playoff ready. The back 4 need to be let go. So it wasnt just one game Jarntt.

Even after this week Dallas has given up 12 less points this year, so no, it isn't obvious to me...

Thats just ridiculous Jarntt. Our D is ALWAYS on the field cause of the way our O plays but FLetcher Cox is a star, Michael Kendricks is a star, Bennie Logan is good, Conner Barwin is a complete stud. Dallas doesnt have these type of players in their front 7. Come on Jarntt.

Yet with all of those superstars you have still given up more points than us. How is that not more importnat than what happened in one game?

[Eiknarflin]

Yeah, I'm not getting Malko's point about how long their D has to be on the field either.

I get it when an offense consumes time of possession by making long drives with heavy doses of runs that keeps the D off the field more, but I'm not sure it proves that one defense is better than the other.

Logically, if the Eagles defense was so much more stellar than the Dallas defense, then wouldn't that mean that the Philly D gives the Philly offense more opportunities to be on the field thus evening out their time of possession verses their opponents time of possession rather than meaning that the Philly defense gives up more points than the Dallas defense? A better defense gives its own offense more opportunities, thus more time of possession, just like a better offense keeps its own defense off the field, thus reducing its own defenses time on the field.

To say that an offense using less time makes another defense worse than its own is like saying an offense that takes more time makes the other defense better than its own. Yet, if the defense of the other team is better, why is the offense which it is against consuming so much time.

I think this is another case of comparing defense to defense and offense to offense when that never happens in a game.

[Schmoopy1000]

I would take the Eagles front 7 (of this season) over ours.


Think the difference right now from earlier in the season to lately is. Early on the Defense wasn't missing their tackles. Right now they are. Then their is the whole I have thought we were playing with smoke & mirrors on defense this whole season. We have some guys with potential & some journeymen. But as a whole the defense is weak. I am one of those Pday makes fun of. I thought our defense was gonna be worse when Lee went down. I was doom & gloom. I credit the coaching more than skill of the players on the field right now.
I predicted 7-9 but thought 6-10 wouldn't surprise me. I am already wrong on those predictions. I am also wrong on the defense being worse than last year, but there is still a lot of work to do on that side of the ball.

[PDay8810]

I tried to tell some open minded people here that the Eagles D is actually OK but PDay mocked and laughed me off. Maybe he understands now. Both teams wont be taken seriously until the secondaries are upgraded. Im sure Dallas will be ready for the rematch in 17 days.

You sure point that finger.
Pull the post where I mock the defense as being worse than Dallas.
My God the drama at me you spin

[Manster7588]

I tried to tell some open minded people here that the Eagles D is actually OK but PDay mocked and laughed me off. Maybe he understands now. Both teams wont be taken seriously until the secondaries are upgraded. Im sure Dallas will be ready for the rematch in 17 days.

You sure point that finger.
Pull the post where I mock the defense as being worse than Dallas.
My God the drama at me you spin

It's funny you say anything bad about Philthy he is all up in here saying we never don't knot what the hell were talking about and claim we are starting drama.

He can't even acknowledge blatant PI's were not called. The Eagles took a page out of the Seahawks play book and got away with it. Only a blind homer would argue the point. I'm glad I made it so I don't have to see the **** he posts any longer.
I sided with him when he lost his bet to TRS because I thought he got a raw deal. That was my mistake, a mistake I won't make again.

[Romotodez]

It's over. Somehow I have to forget about that loss. Hell I still can't get over the Washington game. At least we competed in that one though. This one was definitely different. Maybe it was a bi product of the short week. We just looked slow and that up tempo offense wore our defense down. That doesn't explain the lack of execution of the offense though. I refuse to believe Phillys front 7 is as good or better than some of the teams we played already and had success against. According to Broaddus the philly secondary covered our WRs like blankets all day. Hopefully it was just a real bad day all the way around. I don't want to discount Phillys effort though. They were the agressors and outplayed us in every facet. Gotta give this one to Chip and his staff and the Eagle players.

[ncmalko1]

The Eagles front 7 is good RomoToDez but I agree. The Cowboys just looked flat and the Eagles front 7 played better then usual.

Eiknarflin, I rewatched the game and there were not 3 times when Dez was mauled. Go watch the game again Manster and tell me where there were 3 blatant pass interferences cause there simply wasnt. There were not 3 incomplete passes thrown to Dez so that is a complete fallacy on your part. Infact, Dez caught everything thrown his way and just wasnt targeted hardly at all. I know you want to act like there was blatant pass interference 3 times but there wasnt. The ball wasnt even thrown to Dez where a completion wasnt made.

So Im a blind homer Manster. Im a jerk because I cant admit that Dez was pass interferred with all game but yet you cant give my Eagles any props for the beat down. Yeah, OK dude. The pass interferences didnt happen but I doubt you even watched the game.

[ncmalko1]

If someone taped the game and can review it and tell me where Dez was interferred with 3 times Ill leave here FOREVER. It just didnt happen.

[ncmalko1]

I tried to tell some open minded people here that the Eagles D is actually OK but PDay mocked and laughed me off. Maybe he understands now. Both teams wont be taken seriously until the secondaries are upgraded. Im sure Dallas will be ready for the rematch in 17 days.

You sure point that finger.
Pull the post where I mock the defense as being worse than Dallas.
My God the drama at me you spin

I did it on the other thread so you can apologize now.

[ncmalko1]

Heres the stat for you Manster and Elf

Dez Bryant 4 catches, 6 targets.

We all agree the first throw was blatant pass interference. If you remember the play in the 1st quarter where Dez did sort of a button hook and Carey Williams dove from the side and batted it down. That wasnt even close to pass interference nor did Dez even complain for one. That was just a clean play.

So if he was targeted 6 times, caught four of them, the other two targets were the blatant pass interference and the batted pass by Carey Williams. There are no other targets so there couldnt have been any pass interferences that werent called. THATS PROOF, NO?

As I said, I rewatched the game again and there were ZERO pass interferences because they werent even throwing the ball to Dez. In the 3rd quarter Jimmy Johnson said to AIkmann, "Dallas has to force some throws to Dez cause they arent even targeting him" So I guess IM not a "blatant homer" Manster.

And lastly, Im personally offended after watching that game your first post Manster is, "The refs cheated for the Eagles". Not one post in any message board, not one article on any football site, not one mention in the Dallas or Philly papers about poor ref job during that game. ONLY YOU!

[Schmoopy1000]

Heres the stat for you Manster and Elf

Dez Bryant 4 catches, 6 targets.

We all agree the first throw was blatant pass interference. If you remember the play in the 1st quarter where Dez did sort of a button hook and Carey Williams dove from the side and batted it down. That wasnt even close to pass interference nor did Dez even complain for one. That was just a clean play.

So if he was targeted 6 times, caught four of them, the other two targets were the blatant pass interference and the batted pass by Carey Williams. There are no other targets so there couldnt have been any pass interferences that werent called. THATS PROOF, NO?

As I said, I rewatched the game again and there were ZERO pass interferences because they werent even throwing the ball to Dez. In the 3rd quarter Jimmy Johnson said to AIkmann, "Dallas has to force some throws to Dez cause they arent even targeting him" So I guess IM not a "blatant homer" Manster.

And lastly, Im personally offended after watching that game your first post Manster is, "The refs cheated for the Eagles". Not one post in any message board, not one article on any football site, not one mention in the Dallas or Philly papers about poor ref job during that game. ONLY YOU!

well one obvious PI non call was on one of Dez's catches. Just throwing that out there in your guys little tiff. What annoyed me was WRs all day thurs. was pushing off the defenders yet no calls. If Refs are gonna get super anal on PI calls on defense they should do the same to the offense. In fact some Defensive holding calls came from the receivers pushing off. The inconsistency of the refs are horrible this year.

[ncmalko1]

Heres the stat for you Manster and Elf

Dez Bryant 4 catches, 6 targets.

We all agree the first throw was blatant pass interference. If you remember the play in the 1st quarter where Dez did sort of a button hook and Carey Williams dove from the side and batted it down. That wasnt even close to pass interference nor did Dez even complain for one. That was just a clean play.

So if he was targeted 6 times, caught four of them, the other two targets were the blatant pass interference and the batted pass by Carey Williams. There are no other targets so there couldnt have been any pass interferences that werent called. THATS PROOF, NO?

As I said, I rewatched the game again and there were ZERO pass interferences because they werent even throwing the ball to Dez. In the 3rd quarter Jimmy Johnson said to AIkmann, "Dallas has to force some throws to Dez cause they arent even targeting him" So I guess IM not a "blatant homer" Manster.

And lastly, Im personally offended after watching that game your first post Manster is, "The refs cheated for the Eagles". Not one post in any message board, not one article on any football site, not one mention in the Dallas or Philly papers about poor ref job during that game. ONLY YOU!

well one obvious PI non call was on one of Dez's catches. Just throwing that out there in your guys little tiff. What annoyed me was WRs all day thurs. was pushing off the defenders yet no calls. If Refs are gonna get super anal on PI calls on defense they should do the same to the offense. In fact some Defensive holding calls came from the receivers pushing off. The inconsistency of the refs are horrible this year.

Yeah, Jordan Matthews did pull a Michael Irvin in the first quarter on that incomplete TD pass. I dont know how the refs couldnt have seen that one. On Dez's big catch I dont think that was pass interference but it doesnt matter. FOr people to claim Dez was being pass interfered with all game is just simply not true. I watched the game over and he wasnt even being targeted.

[PDay8810]

I tried to tell some open minded people here that the Eagles D is actually OK but PDay mocked and laughed me off. Maybe he understands now. Both teams wont be taken seriously until the secondaries are upgraded. Im sure Dallas will be ready for the rematch in 17 days.

You sure point that finger.
Pull the post where I mock the defense as being worse than Dallas.
My God the drama at me you spin

I did it on the other thread so you can apologize now.

"I also based our chances in August with the thought that no defense in the NFC east was good. matters to me if the eagle fan wants to stand on his high horse about philly being better on D than Dallas. two weeks ago, he thought the oline was better in Philly. Week to week league and as the wind blows for others"

apologize? It remains true.
maybe you just look the fool part cause it's foolish the way you act on a message board.

[ncmalko1]

Explain to me how IM foolish for saying, "In retrospect, I think Dallas has the better OLine". Thats foolish? Someone blasts the Eagles D and I said, "Well our bad D is slightly better then your bad D'. Then you post that nonsense and claim that Im a fool. YOU MAKE ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. Absolutely nothing foolish about what I said. YOure the fool that thinks Dallas has a better D.

[PDay8810]

Explain to me how IM foolish for saying, "In retrospect, I think Dallas has the better OLine". Thats foolish? Someone blasts the Eagles D and I said, "Well our bad D is slightly better then your bad D'. Then you post that nonsense and claim that Im a fool. YOU MAKE ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. Absolutely nothing foolish about what I said. YOure the fool that thinks Dallas has a better D.

One more time....show me anywhere where I posted that Dallas had a better D. Just one place where I said Dallas was better on D.

[Eiknarflin]

Mouthcum (since you are being a douchebag and referring to me as "Elf")

No one said that they were grabbing him the whole game. You are just a spin doctor, twisting people's words to suit your fancy. What I said is that there were three times that the Philly defender PI'd Dez and none of them were called. One of them happened to be on a catch that Dez made. The first one was in the first quarter on the one that he missed, and Aikman even said it should have been a PI.

The second and third one came in the second half. One was in pretty much the same spot as the first one. Dez had a guy over him and a guy under him. Romo threw short and Dez stopped. The Philly defender that was under him never turned around and ran into Dez with his arms up before the ball arrived.

The other one was again down the sideline and Dez reached out for the pass while the defender draped his arms across Dez's arms before the ball arrived.

You're just being a horse's backside the last couple of days. But it's your MO. You talk all nice for a while and then you go into your pick a fight mode by distorting what people have said. It's getting old and tiresome. The bad part is that Malko isn't a bad poster. Mouthcum is a douche.

[ncmalko1]

Eif... sorry about the mispelling of your name. It was an honest mistake.

The one in the 1st quarter was a PI and I agreed but there simply was not another one. The one you mentioned where the CB didn't turn around was 100% not PI. No one touched Dez and I'm watching it in slow motion right now. The other one you're mentioning want even close to PI either. Not even remotely close. Go watch them again. No way, no how were those even close to PI. I'm just defending my side and wasn't being disrespectful to you at all brother.