GT: Hawks (7-6) VS Pelicans (7-6)

Post #1 » by **Hawk Eye** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 11:14 pm

PG: Jeff Teague

SG: Kyle Korver

SF: DeMarre Carroll

PF: Paul Millsap

C: Al Horford

PG: Jrue Holiday

SG: Austin Rivers ***Eric Gordon (INJ)***

SF: Tyreke Evans

PF: Anthony Davis

C: Omer Asik

The Problem:

The Solution:

AD is playing arguably the best basketball in the NBA and imo it is the best basketball in the NBA. I dont think this game is going to look good for us unless we can get AD into some early and often foul trouble.

Post #2 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 1:12 am

Hawks up ten points after 14 minutes. More impressively, they are dominating on the boards with a 17-9 rebounding edge. Including 6 1st quarter offensive rebounds.

Well done, boys!!!

Post #3 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 1:16 am

Dennis looks damn good this year.

I know Teague is playing stellar ball himself, but I am officially ready to turn the reins over to DS. With the way Teague and Millsap are playing, I think we could get back a top draft pick or young piece and move this team to the inevitable new era of Hawks BBall.

Teague is playing well this year. (This week in particular!)

But Dennis has star potential. Can't be denied anymore.

Post #4 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 1:17 am

I know Asik has been out recently and is working off the rust, but he isn't having a very good game.

Post #5 » by **ATL Boy** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:21 am

Love the way Teague's been playing. I think we do need to take a page out of Jamaaliver's book and sell high on him if he becomes an all star, the way Philly did with Jrue Holiday.

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DirtybirdGA · Post #6 » by **DirtybirdGA** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:54 am

Very nice win vs a wc team.

Post #7 » by **Hawk Eye** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:59 am

Check out Jeff Teagues Stats the last 5 games now..

Tonight: 26 points|7 assists

11/26 against TOR: 24 points|12 assists
11/25 against WAS: 28 points|3 assists
11/21 against DET: 28 points|6 assists
11/18 against LAL: 23 points|3 assists

GIVE THIS MAN HIS ALL-STAR BALLOT

Rip2137 · Post #8 » by **Rip2137** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 3:14 am

Trade all-star caliber young player with good contract that hass gotten better every year so you can give the keys to a guy because he had a good month as a backup...sounds legit.

Yes Philly cashed out on Holliday....how'd that work out for them again?

Post #9 » by **Hawk Eye** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 3:23 am

Rip2137 wrote:Trade all-star caliber young player with good contract that hass gotten better every year so you can give the keys to a guy because he had a good month as a backup...sounds legit.

Yes Philly cashed out on Holliday....how'd that work out for them again?

I say we should hold out untill just before the trade deadline. Let's come back to our record at the trade deadline and see how things are looking. If we are still a sub .500 team and haven't had any real injuries than it might be time to shake some things up and put our foots in the rebuild door. If Teague is performing like this then he might even be our biggest trade asset.

Post #10 » by **ATL Boy** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 3:32 am

Rip2137 wrote:Trade all-star caliber young player with good contract that hass gotten better every year so you can give the keys to a guy because he had a good month as a backup...sounds legit.

Yes Philly cashed out on Holliday....how'd that work out for them again?

So you'd really pass up on, say, a top 5 pick if someone offered? And Philly wouldn't be that much better with Holiday currently.

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simon24 · Post #11 » by **simon24** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 4:45 am

PMOTT3 wrote:
Rip2137 wrote:Trade all-star caliber young player with good contract that hass gotten better every year so you can give the keys to a guy because he had a good month as a backup...sounds legit.

Yes Philly cashed out on Holliday....how'd that work out for them again?

I say we should hold out untill just before the trade deadline. Let's come back to our record at the trade deadline and see how things are looking. If we are still a sub .500 team and haven't had any real injuries than it might be time to shake some things up and put our foots in the rebuild door. If Teague is performing like this then he might even be our biggest trade asset.

Dennis can fill in for Teague. He's just as fast as Teague and you can always count on him to play aggressive unlike Teague.

That's Philly but I agree wait until the trade deadline.

atlantabbq99 · Post #12 » by **atlantabbq99** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:08 am

Another good game from Horford, he got 10 rebounds over Asik and Davis, i don't really care about the scoring and shooting, we just need rebounding from him at this point.

Its amazing how bad Asik looked in the game, Teague was able to layup after layup all throughout the game.

This is defiantly Teague's franchise now, and not Horford's anymore.

atlantabbq99 · Post #13 » by **atlantabbq99** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:15 am

ATL Boy wrote:Love the way Teague's been playing. I think we do need to take a page out of Jamaaliver's book and sell high on him if he becomes an all star, the way Philly did with Jrue Holiday.

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I would defiantly trade Teague for Mudiay, Towns, or Okafor

I would maybe trade Teague for Stanley Johnson, or Porzingis, or Myles Turner.

Other than that, the Hawks are in the driver's seat on this one, Teague is playing great, on a great contract, and is putting up better numbers and having more of an impact than a bunch of other young guards who are making alot more than him.

ATLHawksfan21 · Post #14 » by **ATLHawksfan21** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:47 am

Rip2137 wrote:Trade all-star caliber young player with good contract that hass gotten better every year so you can give the keys to a guy because he had a good month as a backup...sounds legit.

Yes Philly cashed out on Holliday....how'd that work out for them again?

Exactly. We have a guy who could possibly be the star we have been longing for and people's first reaction is to trade him for picks. I will never understand this logic.

If a trade must be done, dennis should go. Personally, I would rather keep both for at least one more year.

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ATLHawksfan21 · Post #15 » by **ATLHawksfan21** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:50 am

ATL Boy wrote:
Rip2137 wrote:Trade all-star caliber young player with good contract that hass gotten better every year so you can give the keys to a guy because he had a good month as a backup...sounds legit.

Yes Philly cashed out on Holliday....how'd that work out for them again?

So you'd really pass up on, say, a top 5 pick if someone offered? And Philly wouldn't be that much better with Holiday currently.

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Its highly unlikely thay anyone would offer a top 5 pick for a PG. PG is like the rb in the nfl since its by far the deepest position in the league. There arent many teams that dont have a starting caliber PG already. And the teams who dont are trying to build through the draft or dont have access to a top 5 pick.

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atlantabbq99 · Post #16 » by **atlantabbq99** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:59 am

I can see Indy and NY trading away a high draft pick for a PG since they will be in a "win now" mode next season, and both teams need a PG.

ATLHawksfan21 · Post #17 » by **ATLHawksfan21** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 1:51 pm

atlantabbq99 wrote:I can see Indy and NY trading away a high draft pick for a PG since they will be in a "win now" mode next season, and both teams need a PG.

Im pretty sure there is a rule against a team trading consecutive first round picks so u dont believe new york can trade theirs. I could be wrong on that and anyone feel free to correct me if I am.

It will likely take some lotto luck for indy to get in to the top 5.

I'm just ready to see what this team looks like after another 20 games once the players gel more and bud irons out his favorite rotations.

The team playing Brooklyn on any given night will continue to be my second favorite team in the league. I think brooklyn could easily end up with a worse record than indy and we can take their pick without giving up anything.

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Post #18 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:15 pm

ATLHawksfan21 wrote:
Rip2137 wrote:Trade all-star caliber young player with good contract that hass gotten better every year so you can give the keys to a guy because he had a good month as a backup...sounds legit.

Yes Philly cashed out on Holliday....how'd that work out for them again?

Exactly. We have a guy who could possibly be the star we have been longing for and people's first reaction is to trade him for picks. I will never understand this logic.

If a trade must be done, dennis should go. Personally, I would rather keep both for at least one more year.

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For me, it's more an acknowledgement that Teague is in his prime now, but the team surrounding him is mediocre at best. Scraping to stay above .500 yet again. In the West, we wouldn't even be in the playoffs with the way we are playing.

Also, Teague has been around for years, we know what he is capable of. If he had shown an ability last year to take over games and carry the team amidst a tough season, maybe I'd have faith he could lead the team somewhere. Alas, we suffered the same fate as always: First Round elimination.

I think Ferry even acknowledged the team just isn't talented enough. Which is why he made a lopsided trade in the hope he could use the extra money and bring in a big name Free Agent.

I've been around long enough to see that Teague is playing at a top level. Maybe the best of his career. But the Hawks are still just 8-6 and can't beat top teams consistently.

Teague to Indy makes too much sense. They need another scorer. Teague is from the area. They need a ready to contribute player as their championship window is open NOW. We need to embrace any move that nabs us a young stud.

My fear: Someone entices Millsap to leave the Hawks next summer and we have no Free Agent replacement. Do we really believe Teague and Horford can carry a franchise anywhere other than just another 2nd round exit?

Do we really believe that Millsap, Teague and Horford can carry the team anywhere substantial? The best that trio has ever done is get to about 4 games over .500 in a weak conference.

Two years ago, during another middling season, Josh was putting up the best numbers of his career. I made the same recommendation. Trade him while he is playing well and bring in young talent and assets that could be leveraged in the future. We didn't. We stayed the course. And have nothing to show for it. Haven't even won a playoff series in 3 years.

Staying the course will lead to more of the same: Extra unused cap space. Unselfish play. Mediocre results.

Post #19 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:30 pm

ATLHawksfan21 wrote:I'm pretty sure there is a rule against a team trading consecutive first round picks so u don't believe new york can trade theirs. I could be wrong on that and anyone feel free to correct me if I am.
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You are absolutely correct. But one way around it is that a team can draft a player (for another team) and then trade that player like what CLE did with Minny. If there was a guy available that we like, we handshake that deal and finalize everything after the fact. Since Ferry is no longer here, hopefully teams would trust us to actually go through with a deal we commit to.

Rip2137 wrote:Trade all-star caliber young player with good contract that hass gotten better every year so you can give the keys to a guy because he had a good month as a backup...sounds legit.

Yes Philly cashed out on Holliday....how'd that work out for them again?

I'd say Dennis has had more than a good month. His year has been pretty phenomenal and has seen him steadily improve on several stages. He's flashing star type potential, and he's 6 years younger than Teague. Dennis is only scratching the surface. Nowhere near his prime.

Also, your statement above sounds awful close to your argument for keeping Josh Smith back in 2012. Wouyld the team really be worse off today had we traded Smoove in the midst of an 'All Star caliber' season for a draft pick that garnered us Damian Lillard or Andre Drummond?

Post #20 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:41 pm

C-Viv's observations:

The Hawks made stopping Anthony Davis a priority and they did just that. Davis finished with 14 points, far short of the 25.4 points per game average he entered with. The Pelicans All-Star also had 11 rebounds. The real job came in the first half. Davis was held to just five points in the first two quarters. Paul Millsap did the majority of the work on Davis, but Al Horford, Pero Antic and even Mike Scott helped.

“We just did a great job taking on the challenge,” Horford said. “Honestly, it was just our defensive concepts. Our guards were really active. The bigs, any of us who were on him, made it tough for him to catch the ball, to attack, to make him finish over us.”

I credit this (and our limiting Asik in the rebounding game) as the top reason we were able to defeat NO. We did the same thing to them in Pre-season. I was worried we'd get dominated on the boards, but we came through and held our own. (Poor Pelicans, if they were in the East, they'd be a team to reckon with and competing for a top seed. In the West, they are cannon fodder.)

Teague was at it again. The point guard finished with a game-high 26 points and a team-high seven assists. It was the fifth straight game he has scored at least 20 points. In that stretch, he is averaging 25.8 points, 6.2 assists, 2.8 rebounds and 1.4 steals per game.

“Just playing basketball,” Teague said of his recent play.

Dude is on fire. We as a franchise need to do everything to capitalize on this long term. If this season ends with the roster unchanged, a modest 4-5 seed and a 1st or 2nd round playoff defeat. I will be disappointed. We've had very poor asset management the last two years. Let's not continue that trend.