#BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread

[BigSlam]

Your 2015 1st round pick.

How about Marcus Thornton and Philly's protected #1, (in reality 2 high 2nd round picks). I think Thornton would be a nice fit. He can score, has played passable D, and is an expiring contract, (8 million). I have looked at your salary cap situation and it seems you can absorb the extra salary.

I could also substitute Brandon Bass for Thornton. He is also a decent fit. He is a six million dollar expiring. All 3 players are flawed, but have value.

No thanks. Biz provides more than either of those guys and that pick is not very valuable due to protection.

Agreed - plus I value Neal more than I do Thornton, not to mention the want/need to play PJ.

Same with Bass. Don't want/need him with Marv, Rex and Noah already on the roster.

For me it would be their unprotected 2015 1st round pick or I wouldn't be interested in moving Biz their way.

[yosemiteben]

Posted this in the stats thread, but I found it very interesting that so far this year Biz has been a worse one-on-one defender than Al.

[mbsnmisc]

How about Marcus Thornton and Philly's protected #1, (in reality 2 high 2nd round picks). I think Thornton would be a nice fit. He can score, has played passable D, and is an expiring contract, (8 million). I have looked at your salary cap situation and it seems you can absorb the extra salary.

I could also substitute Brandon Bass for Thornton. He is also a decent fit. He is a six million dollar expiring. All 3 players are flawed, but have value.

No thanks. Biz provides more than either of those guys and that pick is not very valuable due to protection.

Agreed - plus I value Neal more than I do Thornton, not to mention the want/need to play PJ.

Same with Bass. Don't want/need him with Marv, Rex and Noah already on the roster.

For me it would be their unprotected 2015 1st round pick or I wouldn't be interested in moving Biz their way.

I understand Biyombo's worth to the Hornets. He is definitely a quality backup. Thornton and Neal are redundant and Bass is an ok player, but he is a black hole on offense and his defense is meh.

The Celts just need a defensive presence in the paint, without it we are a lottery team again. Javale McGee is another guy I think would be a fit.

There is no way you will get an unprotected first from a potential lottery team for Biyombo. Celtic fans always overvalue our assets. I guess I fall into that category.

Good luck the rest of this season.

[Hornet Mania]

Posted this in the stats thread, but I found it very interesting that so far this year Biz has been a worse one-on-one defender than Al.

Small sample size is to blame for that, I imagine. Biz has had a couple games where he's forced his man into a bunch of relatively difficult shots that they converted, but it was still solid D.

Another pet peeve I have with Biz, although it's sort of understandable, is how easily he leaves his area to help. He's constantly trying to involve himself in the play defensively even when the action might not include his assignment. While this sounds damning, I recognize that it happens almost entirely because other players on the team are getting roasted play after play and someone has to plug the gaps. Biz is willing, but it just ends up leaving his guy open either for an easy bucket or on the offensive glass.

One of the reasons this annoys me most is because I fear Clifford is seeing Biyombo's man going off and it feeds his bias. If Biz just let Marv, Neal, Roberts, Kemba, or whoever get destroyed play after play but stayed with his assigned man/area it would be much more apparent where the breakdown began. I don't know if that's even weighing against him, just something I suspect.

[TheKingofSting]

Does Price work with Biz on Free throws? It still looks like a shot put to me.

[brackdan70]

Why so little PT for Biz? I know he is limited on offense...but looking from afar...it seems like he Hornets would be better off giving him 20-25 minutes? RFA next summer...what kind of contract do you all think he gets?

[brackdan70]

I wonder if Clifford will argue against Cho re-signing Biz in the offseason. I could definitely see a smart team like the Mavs/Spurs picking him up for $5m per year as a specialist. He'd probably look great and everyone would be like "lol, Bobcats"

I am thinking he will get a much better offer than that...something like 4 years and 32-36 million....would the Hornets match?

[Hornet Mania]

I wonder if Clifford will argue against Cho re-signing Biz in the offseason. I could definitely see a smart team like the Mavs/Spurs picking him up for $5m per year as a specialist. He'd probably look great and everyone would be like "lol, Bobcats"

I am thinking he will get a much better offer than that...something like 4 years and 32-36 million....would the Hornets match?

I'm not sure $8-9 million would be a good investment for any team, and I'm a fan of what Biz brings to the table. Maybe in the right system as a single cog in a perfectly-tuned supporting cast he could bring that sort of value to the floor, but right now I just can't see it. Who knows though. He's looked improved this season, although not dramatically, so if he keeps trending up he might earn it by the 3rd or 4th year of the deal. I seriously doubt we would match a 4/36 offer, and probably not 4/32 either unless our front office has a crush on Biz far beyond what we've seen and heard.

I think there could be a schism in our brain trust about Biz. Clifford didn't seem to care for him early on, but lately he's gotten a lot more run. Cho, our GM(not MJ, who is not a meddler contrary to lazy media nonsense), obviously sees something in him. I'm just not sure how much he values the potential.Is enough to make him push back against Clifford if/when he asks for a change this offseason? No way to know right now.

I will say, if you're hoping Boston throws a 4/32 offer sheet his way you should definitely reconsider. Biz is not that valuable at present, and maybe not ever.

[brackdan70]

I wonder if Clifford will argue against Cho re-signing Biz in the offseason. I could definitely see a smart team like the Mavs/Spurs picking him up for $5m per year as a specialist. He'd probably look great and everyone would be like "lol, Bobcats"

I am thinking he will get a much better offer than that...something like 4 years and 32-36 million....would the Hornets match?

I'm not sure $8-9 million would be a good investment for any team, and I'm a fan of what Biz brings to the table. Maybe in the right system as a single cog in a perfectly-tuned supporting cast he could bring that sort of value to the floor, but right now I just can't see it. Who knows though. He's looked improved this season, although not dramatically, so if he keeps trending up he might earn it by the 3rd or 4th year of the deal. I seriously doubt we would match a 4/36 offer, and probably not 4/32 either unless our front office has a crush on Biz far beyond what we've seen and heard.

I think there could be a schism in our brain trust about Biz. Clifford didn't seem to care for him early on, but lately he's gotten a lot more run. Cho, our GM(not MJ, who is not a meddler contrary to lazy media nonsense), obviously sees something in him. I'm just not sure how much he values the potential.Is enough to make him push back against Clifford if/when he asks for a change this offseason? No way to know right now.

I will say, if you're hoping Boston throws a 4/32 offer sheet his way you should definitely reconsider. Biz is not that valuable at present, and maybe not ever.

thanks for the info...it appears maybe I am overvaluing the guy...the grass is greener syndrome , but still only 22, has elite physical tools.

[BeesWax]

I wonder if Clifford will argue against Cho re-signing Biz in the offseason. I could definitely see a smart team like the Mavs/Spurs picking him up for $5m per year as a specialist. He'd probably look great and everyone would be like "lol, Bobcats"

I am thinking he will get a much better offer than that...something like 4 years and 32-36 million....would the Hornets match?

I'm not sure $8-9 million would be a good investment for any team, and I'm a fan of what Biz brings to the table. Maybe in the right system as a single cog in a perfectly-tuned supporting cast he could bring that sort of value to the floor, but right now I just can't see it. Who knows though. He's looked improved this season, although not dramatically, so if he keeps trending up he might earn it by the 3rd or 4th year of the deal. I seriously doubt we would match a 4/36 offer, and probably not 4/32 either unless our front office has a crush on Biz far beyond what we've seen and heard.

I think there could be a schism in our brain trust about Biz. Clifford didn't seem to care for him early on, but lately he's gotten a lot more run. Cho, our GM(not MJ, who is not a meddler contrary to lazy media nonsense), obviously sees something in him. I'm just not sure how much he values the potential.Is enough to make him push back against Clifford if/when he asks for a change this offseason? No way to know right now.

I will say, if you're hoping Boston throws a 4/32 offer sheet his way you should definitely reconsider. Biz is not that valuable at present, and maybe not ever.

The problem is if Clifford refuses to give him the minutes he deserves we will not know what he is worth. If a team gives him a contract based of what his numbers would look like over 30 minutes then those numbers are not far off.

I am not sure it matters how Clifford views him because if we keep playing this way and he completely loses this team he won't be here to object. Cho has always preached and valued numbers and Clifford completely ignores what they say and just goes by feel. They may not be the best mix and Cho wins that battle I am sure.

[KembaWalker]

locking up Biz for cheap would be great. He looks primed for a breakout when Jefferson leaves.

[HornetJail]

locking up Biz for cheap would be great. He look primed for a breakout when Jefferson leaves.

And some of you guys were ready to dump him for John Jenkins or other crap.

[Hornet Mania]

locking up Biz for cheap would be great. He look primed for a breakout when Jefferson leaves.

Agree 100%. Biz is the prototypical high risk/reward big with potential coming off his rookie deal. If we could lock him into a 4/20 or 4/24 deal I'd do it without hesitation because there's a decent chance he outplays the deal and even if he doesn't the cap hit isn't too bad. 4/32 or 4/36 would make it sting if he never improved beyond what we have now, and if another team values him that highly I would rather Cho look into what sign and trade options are on the table.

[Liver_Pooty]

You guys are joking when you say stuff like 8 or 9 mill a year, right?

[BeesWax]

You guys are joking when you say stuff like 8 or 9 mill a year, right?

I am not saying he deserves it but I would not be shocked if he got offered close to it. 11/14/4 per 36 in points rebounds and blocks will get some attention. We have been better as a team with him rather than Al as well. I think a team with some space who needs a defensive anchor could overpay based on potential.

[HornetJail]

You guys are joking when you say stuff like 8 or 9 mill a year, right?

He won't get anything close but I'd keep him at that price. Center of the future IMO.

[BlackOutBuzz]

You guys are joking when you say stuff like 8 or 9 mill a year, right?

The only person who gave those numbers was a visiting Celtics fan.

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[HornetJail]

I really hope we can lock him up on a 5/25 deal. Otherwise give him his QO and match whatever he gets.

[Bassman]

I really hope we can lock him up on a 5/25 deal. Otherwise give him his QO and match whatever he gets.

Folks, with all due respect, please stop placing excessive value on Biz. He might be a valuable reserve long term but he will not be a starter in this league. He has some moments, but too many are like last night. He loses most of his matchups against starters and fares inconsistent with reserves.

I want Clifford to play him more so we can see what he might return to us for our future (as part of it) or as part of a trade. But the rest of the league front offices cannot all be wrong about him. He has low value for a reason.

[HornetJail]

I really hope we can lock him up on a 5/25 deal. Otherwise give him his QO and match whatever he gets.

Folks, with all due respect, please stop placing excessive value on Biz. He might be a valuable reserve long term but he will not be a starter in this league. He has some moments, but too many are like last night. He loses most of his matchups against starters and fares inconsistent with reserves.

I want Clifford to play him more so we can see what he might return to us for our future (as part of it) or as part of a trade. But the rest of the league front offices cannot all be wrong about him. He has low value for a reason.

I said the same about Omer Asik when he was a 25 year old 2nd year player for Chicago.