Future draft classes

[mattg]

I don't understand why he doesn't like ballscreens?

And that Ellis/Traylor frontcourt is bad. Small and no spacing. Are the other guys really that bad at D?

Kansas runs ball screen motion when their initial sets break down, self calls it his 'fist' offense. They basically throw it into the post, try to get the defense shifting with that and then kick it out. When the bigs kick it out they follow their pass and set a ball screen and run motion offense.

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I don't understand why he doesn't like ballscreens?

And that Ellis/Traylor frontcourt is bad. Small and no spacing. Are the other guys really that bad at D?

Kansas runs ball screen motion when their initial sets break down, self calls it his 'fist' offense. They basically throw it into the post, try to get the defense shifting with that and then kick it out. When the bigs kick it out they follow their pass and set a ball screen and run motion offense.

Yeah I hate it.

[ManualRam]

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Question for you sir. How do you think G. Pap compares to the bigs in this draft?

i'd probably have around 3rd or 4th big, depending on how you view porzingis. looks a legit 7'1 now with a sturdy frame that could easily carry more weight. he's more fundamentally sound offensively than a cliff alexander or even karl towns. he already has a go to move with his left shoulder hook that he can get off from different distances and even angles (even has an almost 3/4 hook that he can get into before even locating the bucket). he's got stronger anchors than towns, but not okafor's. he's got some big legs, so if he develops some physicality he'll be able to establish position earlier. he's got nice touch on a mid-range J even showing some expanding range out to college 3. he's a good passer from all over the floor, not just the post or high post. he's not as athletic or as long (just going by eye test) as the other c's but he does have a nice, quick release on his hooks and mid pop up jumpers. defensively, he prob has the least potential out of the bunch. big body, but not as long and is a bit lumbering. maybe similar athleticism to vucevic, but again not as long. he's not quite brook lopez in the post. brook is a much longer with a tough to contest release on his shots, but i think he's a bit more advanced in terms of passing the ball.

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Paris Bass of University of Detroit is a long, athletic wing with good ball skills to track over the next few years.

[ManualRam]

wade baldwin IV is a frosh out of vandy to watch out for. towns' HS teammate wasn't as highly rated but maybe because he was being evaluated as a SG. he's more of a combo guard coming off the bench but playing good minutes at both guard positions. great size for the point with long arms and big hands. smooth athlete. well-coached, high iq, very good passer. good defensive potential and has an effortless outside stroke. needs to improve his handle. dribbles high in front of him. plays a little high and mechanically at times. doesn't look to drive as much as he should, but he knows how to pick apart and shift defenses with passes and fakes. kid is a stat sheet stuffer though. makes the game look easy.
maybe 2016 for him.

[Marcus]

i'd probably have around 3rd or 4th big, depending on how you view porzingis. looks a legit 7'1 now with a sturdy frame that could easily carry more weight. he's more fundamentally sound offensively than a cliff alexander or even karl towns. he already has a go to move with his left shoulder hook that he can get off from different distances and even angles (even has an almost 3/4 hook that he can get into before even locating the bucket). he's got stronger anchors than towns, but not okafor's. he's got some big legs, so if he develops some physicality he'll be able to establish position earlier. he's got nice touch on a mid-range J even showing some expanding range out to college 3. he's a good passer from all over the floor, not just the post or high post. he's not as athletic or as long (just going by eye test) as the other c's but he does have a nice, quick release on his hooks and mid pop up jumpers. defensively, he prob has the least potential out of the bunch. big body, but not as long and is a bit lumbering. maybe similar athleticism to vucevic, but again not as long. he's not quite brook lopez in the post. brook is a much longer with a tough to contest release on his shots, but i think he's a bit more advanced in terms of passing the ball.

so in your opinion would G. Pap be ahead of the pack for the bigs in his projected class or do kids like Rabb and Stone still have the edge over him?

[slc24]

A guy to watch in the future is Utah's Jakob Poeltl, he's a 7 foot freshman center from Austria. He's very athletic, has great size, sticky hands, good instincts and is ahead of his age defensively. He still needs to gain some weight and improve his offensive game, but he's shown promise. He's definitely the most talented big we've seen at Utah since Bogut. He won't declare this year, but in a year or two could be quite special.

[ManualRam]

i'd probably have around 3rd or 4th big, depending on how you view porzingis. looks a legit 7'1 now with a sturdy frame that could easily carry more weight. he's more fundamentally sound offensively than a cliff alexander or even karl towns. he already has a go to move with his left shoulder hook that he can get off from different distances and even angles (even has an almost 3/4 hook that he can get into before even locating the bucket). he's got stronger anchors than towns, but not okafor's. he's got some big legs, so if he develops some physicality he'll be able to establish position earlier. he's got nice touch on a mid-range J even showing some expanding range out to college 3. he's a good passer from all over the floor, not just the post or high post. he's not as athletic or as long (just going by eye test) as the other c's but he does have a nice, quick release on his hooks and mid pop up jumpers. defensively, he prob has the least potential out of the bunch. big body, but not as long and is a bit lumbering. maybe similar athleticism to vucevic, but again not as long. he's not quite brook lopez in the post. brook is a much longer with a tough to contest release on his shots, but i think he's a bit more advanced in terms of passing the ball.

so in your opinion would G. Pap be ahead of the pack for the bigs in his projected class or do kids like Rabb and Stone still have the edge over him?

i think rabb and stone have higher potential than papa. there's a bit more risk with rabb given his build. what rabb and stone have over papa is the ability to post AND face up. both have better potential to face up and put the ball on the deck as opposed to georgi, who can face up but only for jumpers and reading cutters. rabb has more potential defending in space. stone is more nimble of foot as well, although his athleticism nor his length are that great for a C, which looks like his future position. i'd say pap plays a little taller and longer than stone does. mobility is what gives stone the edge over pap imo.

[ManualRam]

A guy to watch in the future is Utah's Jakob Poeltl, he's a 7 foot freshman center from Austria. He's very athletic, has great size, sticky hands, good instincts and is ahead of his age defensively. He still needs to gain some weight and improve his offensive game, but he's shown promise. He's definitely the most talented big we've seen at Utah since Bogut. He won't declare this year, but in a year or two could be quite special.

i like what i've seen out of him too. good athleticism, size, very active, looks to have solid defensive instincts, does a good job working early and presenting a target. i heard that he likes to step away too, but i don't see how the way his FT and jumper have looked. he's 1 to watch too.

[Justwar]

I dont even like Diamond Stone as a pro prospect as much as most. Good college big, average pro potential. Homeless mans version of Okafor.

[ManualRam]

I dont even like Diamond Stone as a pro prospect as much as most. Good college big, average pro potential. Homeless mans version of Okafor.

he's only somewhat like okafor. certainly no homeless man's okafor. big body, has some nimble feet and post moves. not as good as okafor's in terms footwork and counters. he doesn't have jah's lower half either, but he's not primarily a post up player. since he's leaned out a bit he actually looks more comfortable facing up, shooting jumpers and using that to set up drives. he has that over okafor and he's slightly better defensively at the same stage.

[No-Man]

I dont even like Diamond Stone as a pro prospect as much as most. Good college big, average pro potential. Homeless mans version of Okafor.

He is more Kevin Love than Okafor, he is a face-up guy through and through

He reminds me of Vin Baker actually.

[Justwar]

Towns is the bigger Kevin love. Skal labasierre as he fills out i see passing him up in stone

[ManualRam]

oh i get it. uk recruit >>> prospect who took uk off his list.
that's all you had to say. you're so freaking transparent.

[EricAnderson]

Apparently Maker will make his decision in January wheter to reclassify to 2015

If he does that's a pretty interesting and impressive top of the 2016 draft: Maker Simmons Brown

[No-Man]

Apparently Maker will make his decision in January wheter to reclassify to 2015

If he does that's a pretty interesting and impressive top of the 2016 draft: Maker Simmons Brown

Maker wont be a top3 pick by 2016, he wont be a top10 recruit if he reclassifies either.

[EricAnderson]

Apparently Maker will make his decision in January wheter to reclassify to 2015

If he does that's a pretty interesting and impressive top of the 2016 draft: Maker Simmons Brown

Maker wont be a top3 pick by 2016, he wont be a top10 recruit if he reclassifies either.

We'll see..as far as recruiting rankings that means little it's a lot of politics involved especially when a player moves up a class

Towns went from the #1 recruit to outside the top 10 in some rankings when he reclassified and he's gona be a top pick

[Justwar]

oh i get it. uk recruit >>> prospect who took uk off his list.
that's all you had to say. you're so freaking transparent.

Lots of talent scouts agree skal is the most talented big in the class. He took most of last year off with a injury and fell off but has climbed back up. And if youtthink Towns is not better than stone you have the bias.

[ManualRam]

oh i get it. uk recruit >>> prospect who took uk off his list.
that's all you had to say. you're so freaking transparent.

Lots of talent scouts agree skal is the most talented big in the class. He took most of last year off with a injury and fell off but has climbed back up. And if youtthink Towns is not better than stone you have the bias.

did i say either of those things? no
your blue is showing.

[Marcus]

Rabb Vs Jeter

Rabb 28 & 20 4 blocks 3 steals

Jeter 10 & 4