G17 ~ Warriors (13-2) @ Pistons (3-13) ~ 3:30 PM EST

[treefi]

I'll take a top 5 pick.

Grow Drummond, KCP, Dinwiddie....

[MrBigShot]

My thoughts:

1. KCP has some similarities to Ben Gordon/Lou Williams/Jamal Crawford in that when he's in rhythm, putting a hand in his face wont stop him. Can carry the offense in stretches when his shot is falling. But he has to do it consistently if he wants to be a starting caliber SG.

2. If we are going to suck this badly (and people need to stop acting like Meeks will magically fix our spacing), then let's commit to developing the young guys. Dinwiddie should get playing time in every game.

3. No excuses for Drummond playing this bad...dude has to step it up.

4. Josh Smith can still play clearly. In the right situation I could see him turning it around...just not here. Terrible shooting night but a near triple double.

5. On an unrelated note, just watched highlights of Mudiay for the first time this past week and the notion that he could start on several teams right now is not an exaggeration. Very skilled player at such a young age.

[DETermination]

Completely forgot we played today. Glad I missed the game...

[epheisey]

I've been a pretty big supporter of Jennings, especially with his turnaround this season. But today the knucklehead bros made a return. 12-37 between the two of them...not cool guys!

[treefi]

I've been a pretty big supporter of Jennings, especially with his turnaround this season. But today the knucklehead bros made a return. 12-37 between the two of them...not cool guys!

To be fair, maybe if Drummond didn't have one of the worst games of his career as a starter, they wouldn't have needed to take so many shots...

[epheisey]

I've been a pretty big supporter of Jennings, especially with his turnaround this season. But today the knucklehead bros made a return. 12-37 between the two of them...not cool guys!

To be fair, maybe if Drummond didn't have one of the worst games of his career as a starter, they wouldn't have needed to take so many shots...

Eh, not exactly fair to pin it on the guy that is the least developed offensively out of our top 5 or 6 options, regardless of how bad Drummond was.

[Neptune]

Damn SVG, step you coaching/GM skills up man. You're making my Pistons look terrible!

My thoughts:
1. KCP has some similarities to Ben Gordon

That's a good thought. I've been saying KCP is a defensive Ben Gordon for a while now. I'm glad to see someone else say the same thing.

[Lucidity]

It's mind boggling what SVG is doing with Josh Smith. I truly thought he got it.

Bringing Greg Monroe off the bench & running the offense through Josh is just baffling.

The good news is if we continue this trend we may win 6 or 7 games all year & will be in the mix for the #1 pick.... Which will be the #2 option behind real life #5 option Josh. Lol


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[princeofpalace]

We have lost 8 in a row, and are now 3-14 but lets all blame Joe D and not place any of the blame on SVG

Smith was an abject failure tonight at PF- yes he had a good passing game but Draymond Green abused him all night long and once again he kept shooting despite not being able to hit a shot. 6 of 18 is horrible.

Drummond had another off night but atleast he didn't dominate the shot attempts. Monroe looked solid after a bad first half, can't blame him if he's pissed about being benched for a much lesser player.

All in all, this game was another in a long line of horrible ones. Watching games has become such a chore for me, this is the worst team that we've had since the teal era

[Billl]

Well, everyone knew we should lose this game, so you can't get too upset, but......

Smith is just the more frustrating player to watch. Even when he's doing something really positive, he's got to toss in a half dozen bad plays.

Jennings? At least his heart was in it. We competed when he was on the floor. He's got to learn to throw a decent lob though - and get the timing down on that roll. He doesn't seem to get the pace of the pick and roll. He finally has gotten aggressive on it this year, but he's just going too fast and not letting it develop.

[ImHeisenberg]

This may be the most elaborate phantom tank of all time.


This team is beyond terrible. Drummond is really the only player worth taking a long term look at. Even then, he is not a max contract player.

[epheisey]

We have lost 8 in a row, and are now 3-14 but lets all blame Joe D and not place any of the blame on SVG

Which part would you like to blame SVG for?

Attempting to install a defensive scheme?
Getting Jennings to play the point well?
Limiting Josh Smith to 2 less 3 point attempts per game?
Not having a back up SG?
KCP, Augustin, Smith, Drummond all shooting terribly? Because we know how much Stan can control that.

Sure we could have some hack behind the bench and probably win a couple more games here and there. But we aren't looking for superficial wins that prevent any long term progress from being achieved.

SVG didn't start from the beginning. He had to put this team in reverse, and steer them back to the beginning, so that they could actually make the right turn and head in the right direction.

[moistie]

We have lost 8 in a row, and are now 3-14 but lets all blame Joe D and not place any of the blame on SVG

You're blaming SVG for where the team is at fifteen games into his tenure? He had no option but the stand fat with Smith and Jennings in the offseason or lose out in a major, major way on any trade. Remember, we had no cards to play in the draft/trade season just gone.

SVG has run with what he was given to try to avoid having to take it all the way back to where Philly are and Utah and Milwaukee have just come from. Yes there is pain but at least he's attempting to short circuit the rebuilding process by giving it a season to attempt to turn two dead assets into something remotely valuable.

It doesn't matter how good a coach you are, with two players with such severe limitations leading the team otherwise made up of rookies, you're not going to be challenging. The old saying rings true, you can't polish a turd.

This season is about teaching the young players SVGs system while giving low performing assets a chance to make their bad contracts become worth something. At least next season Jennings is an expiring and Smith only has a season left which someone may be willing to take a chance on.

Drummond had another off night but atleast he didn't dominate the shot attempts. Monroe looked solid after a bad first half, can't blame him if he's pissed about being benched for a much lesser player.

All in all, this game was another in a long line of horrible ones. Watching games has become such a chore for me, this is the worst team that we've had since the teal era

I feel for you in forcing yourself to watch these games but try to take solace in any form of improvement from the younger players. SVG is trying to teach Drummond a post game, he's trying to teach them spacing the court on offence and help on defence.

It's going to be a long and painful season. If you're going to make it through then give up on hopes of playoffs and just look for the little signs. Failing that, look forward to an injection of top line young talent (you'd hope for a top 3 pick at the rate we're going) at the end of the season and the possibility that SVG uses Jedi mind tricks to convince another GM to take Josh Smith off our hands for a reasonable return.

[Ghost]

This may be the most elaborate phantom tank of all time.


This team is beyond terrible. Drummond is really the only player worth taking a long term look at. Even then, he is not a max contract player.

Our phantom tank is right up there with the Lakers .

[ImHeisenberg]

Can we start calling Caldwell-Pope "Trick or Treat KCP"?

You never know if he's going to have a 20 point game, or clang everything off the rim and go 1-12.

[Snakebites]

A whopping 4 pages for a game thread.

My God this team is depressing. We're pretty much seeing our worst nightmare unfold. Not only is the team still all kinds of awful (in fact it appears we may be worse), but our anointed savior Drumond has taken a step back.

Yikes.

[whitehops]

Can we start calling Caldwell-Pope "Trick or Treat KCP"?

You never know if he's going to have a 20 point game, or clang everything off the rim and go 1-12.

yeah, he can be our 'coin-toss ross' (Terrence ross from the raps).




also, how can people be upset with SVG? he has experimented endlessly between lineups and how players are used (look at the emphasis on smith's passing the last few games). you can't reasonably expect him to 'blow things up' after 15 games of his first season as head coach/president.

I understand people are frustrated and need someone to blame but SVG is not that person, at least not yet.


personally I think we should reserve judgement on SVG's job until next year. rebuilding a team doesn't happen in a month lol.

[ImHeisenberg]

also, how can people be upset with SVG? he has experimented endlessly between lineups and how players are used (look at the emphasis on smith's passing the last few games). you can't reasonably expect him to 'blow things up' after 15 games of his first season as head coach/president.

I understand people are frustrated and need someone to blame but SVG is not that person, at least not yet.

I find it ridiculous how much vitriol he receives on here and other Pistons outlets. This team was a garbage fire. You can't just throw water on it and expect to stop being garbage. It's just burnt garbage now.

He's trying to turn it into compost, and then grow a garden out of that. He knows (and has publicly stated) that this roster is bad. His concern is installing the system that the team will play in.

As a President, Joe Dumars started him off with a kick in the teeth. Lost our first round pick, left him with a disgruntled roster with an albatross contract in Josh Smith, and not enough cap space and desirable enough location to lure a game-changer.

I'm fine with how the season is unfolding. We're a bad team, and bad teams don't deserve to win games. I just hope FINALLY have some luck and can grab a player like Mudiay in June. There's a lot of small forward prospects near the top of Draft Express' big board, but they've been pretty underwhelming thus far for projected top ten picks.