Sviatoslav Mikhailiuk

ManualRam · Post #81 » by **ManualRam** » Thu May 22, 2014 8:05 pm

Chuck Everett wrote:Why commit to Kansas? Bill Self never gets top level performance out of these guys. They almost all have to come to the NBA and re-learn how to play because he doesn't teach them anything. Thomas Robinson being the most glaring example.

Hope this kid plays and actually learns something there.

oh god, not this again. players learn as much as they have a capacity for learning. robinson was not a blue chipper, but by the time he ended his career under self he was big12 POY and a top 5 pick. t-rob's decisions since have nothing to do with self. i doubt self told him to work on SF skills in an attempt to sell him as a skilled forward. that was robinson's decision. robinson's problems since he's been in the nba are that he wanted to be something that he wasn't, he's a spazz who plays too fast for his own good and he lacked a little bit of self-awareness. he wanted to prove that he could do what he couldn't do as opposed to sticking to the things that he CAN do.

Talent Chaser · Post #82 » by **Talent Chaser** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:49 pm

He's looked great so far. He has 11/4 vs MSU.

Big_C_KU · Post #83 » by **Big_C_KU** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:24 pm

Talent Chaser wrote:He's looked great so far. He has 11/4 vs MSU.

Shot so far this year has been a struggle but has good form and rotation so he'll start knocking them down. Was good to see him knock down three 3s today. Doesn't lack confidence on jumper. Just seems to make the correct play all the time which is why he plays over Oubre and Greene. Surprisingly very good defender. Has shown the ability to get the basket but still needs to tighten up handle to do it more. Been very pleased with his play and excited to see how much his game grows next year.

Post #84 » by **Marcus** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:25 pm

Big_C_KU wrote:
Talent Chaser wrote:He's looked great so far. He has 11/4 vs MSU.

Shot so far this year has been a struggle but has good form and rotation so he'll start knocking them down. Was good to see him knock down three 3s today. Doesn't lack confidence on jumper. Just seems to make the correct play all the time which is why he plays over Oubre and Greene. Surprisingly very good defender. Has shown the ability to get the basket but still needs to tighten up handle to do it more. Been very pleased with his play and excited to see how much his game grows next year.

yeah Self was quoted as Svi being the best defender on the team right now.

Bubstubbler · Post #85 » by **Bubstubbler** » Mon Dec 1, 2014 12:21 am

Svi is my favorite KU player this season. I love his intelligence, vision, and skill level. He's also got good size and athleticism. All this is especially impressive since he's a year young for a freshman, just turning 17 about six months ago. I think he's going to be a fantastic pro. Below are my thoughts on the Kansas players overall.

realistic NBA potential imo:

NBA All-Star -- Svi, Alexander
NBA Starter -- Oubre
NBA rotation -- Green
NBA fringe -- Selden, Traylor (I think Ellis will be a standout player overseas)

best-ish case comparisons imo:

Svi -- Ginobili
Alexander -- Elton Brand
Oubre -- Rudy Gay
Green -- Kyle Korver
Selden -- 12th man version of Rodney Stuckey
Traylor -- 12th man version of Kenneth Faried

reanimator · Post #86 » by **reanimator** » Mon Dec 1, 2014 12:45 am

Still not seeing Ginobili.

TheSuzerain · Post #87 » by **TheSuzerain** » Mon Dec 1, 2014 1:02 am

reanimator wrote:Still not seeing Ginobili.

Me neither really.

But he is 8 years younger than Manu when he made his NBA debut.

Big_C_KU · Post #88 » by **Big_C_KU** » Mon Dec 1, 2014 7:22 pm

Bubstubbler wrote:Svi is my favorite KU player this season. I love his intelligence, vision, and skill level. He's also got good size and athleticism. All this is especially impressive since he's a year young for a freshman, just turning 17 about six months ago. I think he's going to be a fantastic pro. Below are my thoughts on the Kansas players overall.

realistic NBA potential imo:

NBA All-Star -- Svi, Alexander
NBA Starter -- Oubre
NBA rotation -- Green
NBA fringe -- Selden, Traylor (I think Ellis will be a standout player overseas)

best-ish case comparisons imo:

Svi -- Ginobili
Alexander -- Elton Brand
Oubre -- Rudy Gay
Green -- Kyle Korver
Selden -- 12th man version of Rodney Stuckey
Traylor -- 12th man version of Kenneth Faried

I don't see anyone as NBA All-Star. Svi might be on that borderline but I see him as still being just a very good NBA starter. If Oubre starts to show that he's starting to figure it out and give effort defensively then I can see him being an NBA starter but for now I see him and Cliff as NBA rotation players. Greene I see being bottom of bench or NBDL. Same for Selden. I see Ellis, Traylot, and Mason being overseas guys.

Devonte Graham is intriguing to me. Has very good measureables at 6-2, long, and fairly athletic. Plays a smart game and has good form on shot. Interesting to see how much he improves and where his draft stock might be in a couple years.

Don't see any of those comparisons.

SlowPaced · Post #89 » by **SlowPaced** » Mon Dec 1, 2014 10:35 pm

reanimator wrote:Still not seeing Ginobili.

You have to take his age into account. Sviatoslav is just 17 years old. Manu became a stud around the age of 23, before that he spent time in Argentina and Italian 2nd league. He was brilliant with Bologna in 2000 to 2002.

reanimator · Post #90 » by **reanimator** » Mon Dec 1, 2014 10:39 pm

SlowPaced wrote:
reanimator wrote:Still not seeing Ginobili.

You have to take his age into account. Sviatoslav is just 17 years old. Manu became a stud around the age of 23, before that he spent time in Argentina and Italian 2nd league. He was brilliant with Bologna in 2000 to 2002.

He plays nothing like him stylistically so I'm not sure why people make the comparison.

Its like the people calling Wiggins a young TMac.

RSCD3_ · Post #91 » by **RSCD3_** » Tue Dec 2, 2014 7:38 am

How does svi compare to Gordon Hayward as a prospect

And in terms of how his ceiling compares to what Gordon Hayward already is

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TheSuzerain · Post #92 » by **TheSuzerain** » Tue Dec 2, 2014 4:56 pm

RSCD3_ wrote:How does svi compare to Gordon Hayward as a prospect

And in terms of how his ceiling compares to what Gordon Hayward already is

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I feel like Svi is more of a natural scorer.

Post #93 » by **Marcus** » Tue Dec 2, 2014 6:52 pm

maybe not the shooter percentage wise that Klay Thompson is with more ability to put it on the deck and create at this stage. perhaps can turn into what Klay has become in the league once he puts some size on?

RSCD3_ · Post #94 » by **RSCD3_** » Tue Dec 2, 2014 10:22 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:
RSCD3_ wrote:How does svi compare to Gordon Hayward as a prospect

And in terms of how his ceiling compares to what Gordon Hayward already is

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I feel like Svi is more of a natural scorer.

Is his jump shot better in your opinion?

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ManualRam · Post #95 » by **ManualRam** » Wed Dec 3, 2014 12:14 am

i dont think the confidence is quite there yet, but he's got a clean, compact, balanced shot. he's flashed shot-creating ability at the lower levels, not yet at the college level. that's more of a pro ability anyways. shooting on the move has yet to be seen either. he takes good shots too so i think he has all the makings of a good 1.

TheSuzerain · Post #96 » by **TheSuzerain** » Wed Dec 3, 2014 4:49 am

ManualRam wrote:i dont think the confidence is quite there yet, but he's got a clean, compact, balanced shot. he's flashed shot-creating ability at the lower levels, not yet at the college level. that's more of a pro ability anyways. shooting on the move has yet to be seen either. he takes good shots too so i think he has all the makings of a good 1.

I don't think confidence is the issue. He's shown no hesitation to let it fly when open.

Or do you mean confidence to create the shot for himself?

RSCD3_ · Post #97 » by **RSCD3_** » Wed Dec 3, 2014 5:08 am

ManualRam wrote:
Marcus wrote:
ManualRam wrote:he's more athletic than stauskas.

you think the Manu comparisons are unfair this soon?

i think he's closer to that athleticism and body type than he is to stauskas. manu's longer though. svi has short arms which could be an issue down the line.

Can you give a rough estimate of what manu's wingspan is?

reanimator · Post #98 » by **reanimator** » Wed Dec 3, 2014 5:16 am

Until he can shoot on the move going in either direction like Manu or finish at the rim like him (things that are usually god given), I just do not get trying to force that mold on Svi. His game has a lot of developing to do between now and spring 2016.

ManualRam · Post #99 » by **ManualRam** » Wed Dec 3, 2014 11:09 am

TheSuzerain wrote:
ManualRam wrote:i dont think the confidence is quite there yet, but he's got a clean, compact, balanced shot. he's flashed shot-creating ability at the lower levels, not yet at the college level. that's more of a pro ability anyways. shooting on the move has yet to be seen either. he takes good shots too so i think he has all the makings of a good 1.

I don't think confidence is the issue. He's shown no hesitation to let it fly when open.

Or do you mean confidence to create the shot for himself?

i think confidence to look for his shot outside of the system and other means of scoring. the earlier games he was reluctant to pull the trigger as well. it'd be understandable if that was the case. he's 17, a foreigner. he's the only frosh starting. in order for the offense to work he HAS to shoot though and i'm pretty sure he was told as much. despite the slow start % wise, he is the designated shooter in that starting lineup.

ManualRam · Post #100 » by **ManualRam** » Wed Dec 3, 2014 11:13 am

RSCD3_ wrote:
ManualRam wrote:
Marcus wrote:
you think the Manu comparisons are unfair this soon?

i think he's closer to that athleticism and body type than he is to stauskas. manu's longer though. svi has short arms which could be an issue down the line.

Can you give a rough estimate of what manu's wingspan is?

we've all seen the type of extension manu gets at the cup. it sure isn't a negative wingspan or the same length as his height (which is basically a negative wingspan in the basketball world). i'd say maybe 6'9.