I feel this is the year to trade Rondo

[Edug27]

I don't see Danny getting another All Star player anytime soon. Our best bet is to move Rondo at the deadline and let Marcus Smart develop into the future starting PG. Not a popular idea amongst C's fans, I get it .. But it's the only move that makes sense. Let the Kings find a 3rd team to bring into the trade where we get Mclemore plus another player and picks. Idk. Should be interesting.

[humblebum]

You are missing the point the Celtics don't get to choose between Rondo and Lowry, that is a totally irrelevant comparison. That option is not available to them.

You are absolutely right about Lowry not being available but the Celtics can choose between...

Rondo...
And a more generic PG who may be undervalued since he didn't have the luxury of playing with the Big 3 or simply because his career got off to a slow start.

And my larger point is...Ainge probably shouldn't be prioritizing signing anyone besides a good backup PG that is under the radar. I suspect Smart will deserve to start at PG starting next season. I am not expecting Smart to set the world on fire with his offense but just show enough ability given his tough defense that he deserves to start on a rebuilding team....starting in 2015/16

Even if the Celtics have no one worthwhile interested in signing with them, they can still use their cap space in other ways such as trades.

Yeah, this is a seemingly likely route given how things are lining up currently.

This team is going to have to make huge leaps in order for Rondo or Ainge to really want to make that marriage last. No point in overpaying Rondo to lose a ton of games over the next 2 years and then pay him more than he's worth for the 3 years after that. Not when you have Smart and Bradley locked in.

But I just don't see a viable trade opportunity. Green, IMO, is the guy who's a more likely trade candidate.

[Ed Pinkney]

You are missing the point the Celtics don't get to choose between Rondo and Lowry, that is a totally irrelevant comparison. That option is not available to them.

You are absolutely right about Lowry not being available but the Celtics can choose between...

Rondo...
And a more generic PG who may be undervalued since he didn't have the luxury of playing with the Big 3 or simply because his career got off to a slow start.

And my larger point is...Ainge probably shouldn't be prioritizing signing anyone besides a good backup PG that is under the radar. I suspect Smart will deserve to start at PG starting next season. I am not expecting Smart to set the world on fire with his offense but just show enough ability given his tough defense that he deserves to start on a rebuilding team....starting in 2015/16

Even if the Celtics have no one worthwhile interested in signing with them, they can still use their cap space in other ways such as trades.

Yeah, this is a seemingly likely route given how things are lining up currently.

This team is going to have to make huge leaps in order for Rondo or Ainge to really want to make that marriage last. No point in overpaying Rondo to lose a ton of games over the next 2 years and then pay him more than he's worth for the 3 years after that. Not when you have Smart and Bradley locked in.

But I just don't see a viable trade opportunity. Green, IMO, is the guy who's a more likely trade candidate.

I also struggle to think of viable trades for Rondo but as long as Smart is healthy, is there scope for an addition by subtraction scenario with moving Rondo? The trade doesn't need to be a home run, just balance the roster a little better. Perhaps rearranging the furniture rather than buying all new stuff could work?

[humblebum]

You are absolutely right about Lowry not being available but the Celtics can choose between...

Rondo...
And a more generic PG who may be undervalued since he didn't have the luxury of playing with the Big 3 or simply because his career got off to a slow start.

And my larger point is...Ainge probably shouldn't be prioritizing signing anyone besides a good backup PG that is under the radar. I suspect Smart will deserve to start at PG starting next season. I am not expecting Smart to set the world on fire with his offense but just show enough ability given his tough defense that he deserves to start on a rebuilding team....starting in 2015/16

Even if the Celtics have no one worthwhile interested in signing with them, they can still use their cap space in other ways such as trades.

Yeah, this is a seemingly likely route given how things are lining up currently.

This team is going to have to make huge leaps in order for Rondo or Ainge to really want to make that marriage last. No point in overpaying Rondo to lose a ton of games over the next 2 years and then pay him more than he's worth for the 3 years after that. Not when you have Smart and Bradley locked in.

But I just don't see a viable trade opportunity. Green, IMO, is the guy who's a more likely trade candidate.

I also struggle to think of viable trades for Rondo but as long as Smart is healthy, is there scope for an addition by subtraction scenario with moving Rondo? The trade doesn't need to be a home run, just balance the roster a little better. Perhaps rearranging the furniture rather than buying all new stuff could work?

That's actually the type of trade I'd favor honestly. The problem though is that any team that would want Rondo is likely a contender. Not too many contenders are going to give the Celtics something worthwhile in the here and now.

If there is a deal out there for a true C or a scoring point guard like Isaiah Thomas... sure, I'd be all over it if this is heading toward a free agency divorce in the offseason.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I love Smart, I think he can be great- but he's a rookie, and he excelled without primary ball-handling responsibilities. We get rid of Rondo and Smart will be exposed- he's not quite ready yet.

[Ed Pinkney]

I love Smart, I think he can be great- but he's a rookie, and he excelled without primary ball-handling responsibilities. We get rid of Rondo and Smart will be exposed- he's not quite ready yet.

The team doesn't appear to be going anywhere this year so does it really matter if he is not ready? Giving him the keys next season could be an option, that worked pretty well for Rondo (championship!).

[Edug27]

I love Smart, I think he can be great- but he's a rookie, and he excelled without primary ball-handling responsibilities. We get rid of Rondo and Smart will be exposed- he's not quite ready yet.

The team doesn't appear to be going anywhere this year so does it really matter if he is not ready? Giving him the keys next season could be an option, that worked pretty well for Rondo (championship!).

Agee. Ready for what? To slowly develop as a point guard on a lottery team? Oh he's more than ready for that.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Because it's ideal to bring a player along gradually and let him learn a few things at a time until they're reinforced well.


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[Ed Pinkney]

Because it's ideal to bring a player along gradually and let him learn a few things at a time until they're reinforced well.


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Let him learn under Rondo this year, let Rondo walk or sign and trade in the off season and let Smart start next year??

[soxfan2003]

Folks know I have been on the trade Rondo bandwagon for a while but one cautious note about trading him... I would not trade him for a mediocre pick from a team that he has lukewarm interest in signing for if it is going to upset him. Given all of that, I suspect Dallas may be a pretty good fit.

While not at the stature of PP or even KG, I do think Rondo think its in the Celtics interests to try and treat Rondo well in any sort of trade before the deadline. 2-3 years down the line, it may help in signing FAs.

[brackdan70]

Rondo, Thornton, Wallace for Amare, Hardaway, Larkin? does it make sense?
Cs shed Wallace and get some upside in Hardaway, Knicks pair Rondo with Anthony and have something to build around.

Edit: Maybe Knicks include 2018 1st...IDK

[soxfan2003]

You are absolutely right about Lowry not being available but the Celtics can choose between...

Rondo...
And a more generic PG who may be undervalued since he didn't have the luxury of playing with the Big 3 or simply because his career got off to a slow start.

And my larger point is...Ainge probably shouldn't be prioritizing signing anyone besides a good backup PG that is under the radar. I suspect Smart will deserve to start at PG starting next season. I am not expecting Smart to set the world on fire with his offense but just show enough ability given his tough defense that he deserves to start on a rebuilding team....starting in 2015/16

Even if the Celtics have no one worthwhile interested in signing with them, they can still use their cap space in other ways such as trades.

Yeah, this is a seemingly likely route given how things are lining up currently.

This team is going to have to make huge leaps in order for Rondo or Ainge to really want to make that marriage last. No point in overpaying Rondo to lose a ton of games over the next 2 years and then pay him more than he's worth for the 3 years after that. Not when you have Smart and Bradley locked in.

But I just don't see a viable trade opportunity. Green, IMO, is the guy who's a more likely trade candidate.

I also struggle to think of viable trades for Rondo but as long as Smart is healthy, is there scope for an addition by subtraction scenario with moving Rondo? The trade doesn't need to be a home run, just balance the roster a little better. Perhaps rearranging the furniture rather than buying all new stuff could work?

I haven't played with the trade checker in a while but if Rondo turns around his season, I would think perhaps Dallas might be a little interested. The Mavs if they want another championship have to try to win soon but it's a question of whether they have enough assets/picks to make the Celtics happy. I think if Ainge is forced to lower his demands, Dallas may be able to satisfy them if they are interested in Rondo.

For this season at least, I don't think losing Rondo is addition by subtraction but keeping him beyond this season arguably will start to stunt Smart's needed development on the offensive side a bit.

Ideally for Smart's development...I would want him to play behind Rondo for an entire year before he is given the keys to start at PG.

But realistically the Celtics may have to make a decision on Rondo right before the deadline. If he has just very marginal value then, no harm in keeping him until the end of the season at that point.

[soxfan2003]

You are missing the point the Celtics don't get to choose between Rondo and Lowry, that is a totally irrelevant comparison. That option is not available to them.

You are absolutely right about Lowry not being available but the Celtics can choose between...

Rondo...
And a more generic PG who may be undervalued since he didn't have the luxury of playing with the Big 3 or simply because his career got off to a slow start.

And my larger point is...Ainge probably shouldn't be prioritizing signing anyone besides a good backup PG that is under the radar. I suspect Smart will deserve to start at PG starting next season. I am not expecting Smart to set the world on fire with his offense but just show enough ability given his tough defense that he deserves to start on a rebuilding team....starting in 2015/16

Even if the Celtics have no one worthwhile interested in signing with them, they can still use their cap space in other ways such as trades.

Yeah, this is a seemingly likely route given how things are lining up currently.

This team is going to have to make huge leaps in order for Rondo or Ainge to really want to make that marriage last. No point in overpaying Rondo to lose a ton of games over the next 2 years and then pay him more than he's worth for the 3 years after that. Not when you have Smart and Bradley locked in.

But I just don't see a viable trade opportunity. Green, IMO, is the guy who's a more likely trade candidate.

I agree with you that Green is the Celtics most likely trade candidate. I sort of think half of the reason Turner was brought in was as a temporary cheap stop gap in case Green was dealt.

I don't pay that much attention to the Mavs but if Rondo starts playing better, I could see Dallas possibly offering up a reasonable deal. Not a huge return but just something that could possibly make sense for all parties. It gets Rondo in the playoffs and gets Dirk a little more opportunity to progress further in the playoffs.

If a deal with Dallas takes place, I would expect it to be within about 1 week of the deadline.

[soxfan2003]

Rondo, Thornton, Wallace for Amare, Hardaway, Larkin? does it make sense?
Cs shed Wallace and get some upside in Hardaway, Knicks pair Rondo with Anthony and have something to build around.

Edit: Maybe Knicks include 2018 1st...IDK

I just can't picture Phil Jackson trading for Rondo this season... I think Jackson has to know right now that he is in a bad situation in which he has to keep his picks and it is pointless to try to win this season.

[humblebum]

Beside the fact Rondo does NOT fit into a triangle offense? Why don't people ever mention this? LMAO

I don't think the Celtics will get anything of value by trading Rondo. So why do it?

[Andre3822]

I have no problem with Rondo staying long term, the thing I fear the most is overpaying him.
In reality he can't be your number one or two guy if we're talking about championships, maybe borderline 2#, but that's it.

Hopefully Danny Ainge and the ownership is smart about this, giving Rondo the max is a recipe for 5 years of mediocrity.

[GuyClinch]

I don't think the Celtics will get anything of value by trading Rondo. So why do it?

Antoine Walker says "Hi".

[Gomes3PC]

Toine was dealt because he had years left on his deal. Rondo is expiring. If they don't get pieces they like, Ainge may prefer to just take the cap space and use it on free agents or in sign-and-trades with all those picks he has accumulated.

I'm trying not to take a short-term view, but the last five-plus games have really soured me on Rondo. I thought he's played some of the worst basketball of his career. It's not just the FT shooting. He's loafing on defense, then alternating between checking out for extended stretches and then dominating the ball.

I just don't see any quality trades available. Sacramento seems like the most viable partner but I want no part of McLemore (he's just an Avery Bradley clone - lots of shooting, no ability to pass) and he's their only real trade chip.

The Rockets are honestly their best bet. Houston has a $8.4M trade exception for Lin - there has to be a way they can use that plus something like Terrence Jones and Patrick Beverly to get it done.

That's not a sexy trade, but Terrence Jones could be a great oversize 3-man for this team and Beverly is a tough, hardnosed player who can shoot the three - a good pairing at the point for a young Marcus Smart.

[165bows]

Toine was dealt because he had years left on his deal. Rondo is expiring. If they don't get pieces they like, Ainge may prefer to just take the cap space and use it on free agents or in sign-and-trades with all those picks he has accumulated.

I'm trying not to take a short-term view, but the last five-plus games have really soured me on Rondo. I thought he's played some of the worst basketball of his career. It's not just the FT shooting. He's loafing on defense, then alternating between checking out for extended stretches and then dominating the ball.

I actually agree with this, he looked awful against SA. Either his knee is really limited or something else is wrong with him, IMO.

I remember when the SportVue cameras first came out and there was this bit about Rondo, and him wondering if he ran farther in a game than anyone in the league. Right now he looks like he doesn't want to move if he doesn't have to.

Edit - Frankly if he looks like this going forward he is going to be looking to get in on that 3 year extension at 40M.

[ryaningf]

Toine was dealt because he had years left on his deal. Rondo is expiring. If they don't get pieces they like, Ainge may prefer to just take the cap space and use it on free agents or in sign-and-trades with all those picks he has accumulated.

I'm trying not to take a short-term view, but the last five-plus games have really soured me on Rondo. I thought he's played some of the worst basketball of his career. It's not just the FT shooting. He's loafing on defense, then alternating between checking out for extended stretches and then dominating the ball.

I actually agree with this, he looked awful against SA. Either his knee is really limited or something else is wrong with him, IMO.

I remember when the SportVue cameras first came out and there was this bit about Rondo, and him wondering if he ran farther in a game than anyone in the league. Right now he looks like he doesn't want to move if he doesn't have to.

Edit - Frankly if he looks like this going forward he is going to be looking to get in on that 3 year extension at 40M.

5 games ago is when he stepped on Noel's foot and completely rolled his ankle. No bonus points for playing thru pain around here, huh?