The Giannis Antetokounmpo Thread

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Re: The Giannis Antetokounmpo Thread 

Post#121 » by H2tObes » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:08 am

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Yeah no chance he gets picked over wiggins in a redraft. Per 36 stats are a great way to inflate a players output. He's playing well but lets not get carried away.

He's playing much better than Wiggins and they are both 19. I know Wiggins is a rookie, but Giannis was playing with Teenagers in Greece not much over a year ago. Giannis has a serious case over Wiggins

Even if you don't take him #1, would you take him at 2?


Joel Embiid.

Lol come on Giannis is already a good NBA player while Embiid has yet to see the floor.
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Post#122 » by HeartBreakKid » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:49 am

H2tObes wrote:
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H2tObes wrote:He's playing much better than Wiggins and they are both 19. I know Wiggins is a rookie, but Giannis was playing with Teenagers in Greece not much over a year ago. Giannis has a serious case over Wiggins

Even if you don't take him #1, would you take him at 2?


Joel Embiid.

Lol come on Giannis is already a good NBA player while Embiid has yet to see the floor.



That argument makes no sense. Most starting players are already good NBA players, does that mean that they'd go over Embiid in a re-draft? You're settling on Andrew Wiggin's being taken over Giannis, but taking Embiid - who is widely considered to be a superior prospect to Wiggins is laughable to you?
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Re: The Giannis Antetokounmpo Thread 

Post#123 » by H2tObes » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:57 am

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Joel Embiid.

Lol come on Giannis is already a good NBA player while Embiid has yet to see the floor.



That argument makes no sense. Most starting players are already good NBA players, does that mean that they'd go over Embiid in a re-draft? You're settling on Andrew Wiggin's being taken over Giannis, but taking Embiid - who is widely considered to be a superior prospect to Wiggins is laughable to you?

Picking Embiid over Giannis is extremely risky, Embiid was picked 3rd because of obvious injury concerns. Giannis and Wiggins have both looked good in the NBA, while Embiid is sitting out due to injury.
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Re: The Giannis Antetokounmpo Thread 

Post#124 » by Greek » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:39 am

Embiid is the better prospect but for a such a huge guy health is a serious issue. Thats why he fell. Tough choice of a GM
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Post#125 » by Zeitgeister » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:15 pm

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H2tObes wrote:16.7/8.2/2/1/1 per 36 with excellent defense is already a very good player folks. Then you remind yourself that he is a 19 year old 7 footer with guard skills. He goes #1 in the last two drafts if you redo them today without question.

You guys should really try watching him once, he's incredibly entertaining



Yeah no chance he gets picked over wiggins in a redraft. Per 36 stats are a great way to inflate a players output. He's playing well but lets not get carried away.

He's playing much better than Wiggins and they are both 19. I know Wiggins is a rookie, but Giannis was playing with Teenagers in Greece not much over a year ago. Giannis has a serious case over Wiggins

Even if you don't take him #1, would you take him at 2?


You shouldn't understate the value of having an extra year of NBA experience at that age. It's massive. Giannis should be playing better than Wiggins because of it.
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Re: The Giannis Antetokounmpo Thread 

Post#126 » by H2tObes » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:56 pm

Zeitgeister wrote:
H2tObes wrote:
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Yeah no chance he gets picked over wiggins in a redraft. Per 36 stats are a great way to inflate a players output. He's playing well but lets not get carried away.

He's playing much better than Wiggins and they are both 19. I know Wiggins is a rookie, but Giannis was playing with Teenagers in Greece not much over a year ago. Giannis has a serious case over Wiggins

Even if you don't take him #1, would you take him at 2?


You shouldn't understate the value of having an extra year of NBA experience at that age. It's massive. Giannis should be playing better than Wiggins because of it.

I agree the extra year of experience matters quite a bit, but Giannis never playing anything close to the level of college ball before coming to the NBA should make him quite the project. The fact that he is playing this good in his second year can only mean good things. He is playing quite a bit better than Wiggins right now so he is on the right on track.

I'm not trying to discredit Wiggins by saying I'd take Giannis over him, I just am pretty sure Giannis is something special
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Re: The Giannis Antetokounmpo Thread 

Post#127 » by Dcebucks11 » Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:12 pm

honestly i didn't expect giannis to be this good so soon after last year. Last year he should of been a freshman in college and even than that would be a big jump from the crappy greece league he played in to college.

He's very skilled and has so much room for improvement, but what I'm impressed the most by is his IQ. He takes advantage of his match ups and doesn't force any terrible shots. I feel he's gonna have a break out year next year.

That said Wiggins and Giannis are both unique players with different skill sets. Kind of a useless debate imo to compare em. They're different and have bright futures.
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Post#128 » by BMatt07 » Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:36 pm

Cmon.. how can you not like this guy?

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Post#129 » by DutchManDanFan » Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:17 pm

Giannis can be an all star THIS YEAR.
Remember you heard it here first. With a better PG and 30+ mpg he'll probably averagere 18/8

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Post#130 » by Magic Giannison » Sun Nov 30, 2014 4:01 pm

Giannis ballin it hard again.
Seriously,the guy is fearless.
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Post#131 » by rockmanslim » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:36 pm

H2tObes wrote:
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H2tObes wrote:He's playing much better than Wiggins and they are both 19. I know Wiggins is a rookie, but Giannis was playing with Teenagers in Greece not much over a year ago. Giannis has a serious case over Wiggins

Even if you don't take him #1, would you take him at 2?


You shouldn't understate the value of having an extra year of NBA experience at that age. It's massive. Giannis should be playing better than Wiggins because of it.

I agree the extra year of experience matters quite a bit, but Giannis never playing anything close to the level of college ball before coming to the NBA should make him quite the project. The fact that he is playing this good in his second year can only mean good things. He is playing quite a bit better than Wiggins right now so he is on the right on track.

I'm not trying to discredit Wiggins by saying I'd take Giannis over him, I just am pretty sure Giannis is something special


Even last season's version of Giannis, the fresh-out-of-playing-against-cab-drivers-in-Greece version, had better handles, and thus playmaking ability, than Wiggins does this year.
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Post#132 » by tsherkin » Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:50 pm

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Even last season's version of Giannis, the fresh-out-of-playing-against-cab-drivers-in-Greece version, had better handles, and thus playmaking ability, than Wiggins does this year.


Wiggins has never, at any point, really wowed with on-ball ability. It's always been his size and athleticism which were interesting. He was OK, though exciting, as a freshman and that's about the sum of it. So far this season, he's had some miraculous luck from 3 while sucking at the line and under the arc. He's underwhelmed on the boards while having turnover and foul trouble, showing no middle game whatsoever and a mediocre jumper. Totally unfit to be a shooting guard, but he's getting tons of minutes there. It's way early, and his FT% and jumper will probably correct based on what we saw at Kansas, but he's been staaaaaaank so far, particularly for his draft slot. His most interesting career moment to date was being involved in the trade with Cleveland.

19, out of position, early, not so much to judge just yet, but yeah, if you're looking at him versus Giannis, it isn't a shocking notion that the Greek might go ahead of him in a re-draft. Wiggins has looked pretty much like a worse version of rookie Richard Jefferson so far.

Giannis, for his part, is a year older than Wiggins and had a 77-game season last year. He wasn't as bad as Wigins has been so far, but there's that sample size again. And of course, he's also bigger. Tough to compare players at those very different stages as a result of the usually-vast difference between Year One and Year Two, but it doesn't change the fact that if you saw a guy doing what Giannis is doing now compared to Wiggins (even Kansas Wiggins), the Greek is the easy choice in a draft.
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Post#133 » by trwi7 » Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:15 pm

tsherkin wrote:Giannis, for his part, is a year older than Wiggins


He's less than 3 months older than Wiggins.
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Post#134 » by tsherkin » Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:31 pm

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tsherkin wrote:Giannis, for his part, is a year older than Wiggins


He's less than 3 months older than Wiggins.


Technically, yes, but Giannis had his 19 year-old season and is into his second year in the NBA. The extra 77 games matter, and while the slight age difference makes none to longevity projections, it does matter in the developmental curve.
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Re: The Giannis Antetokounmpo Thread 

Post#135 » by Clyde Frazier » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:13 pm

DutchManDanFan wrote:Giannis can be an all star THIS YEAR.
Remember you heard it here first. With a better PG and 30+ mpg he'll probably averagere 18/8

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Where is this better PG coming from this season? Also, as a bucks fan I'd be more than happy with knight this season.
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Re: The Giannis Antetokounmpo Thread 

Post#136 » by rockmanslim » Mon Dec 1, 2014 2:40 am

tsherkin wrote:
trwi7 wrote:
tsherkin wrote:Giannis, for his part, is a year older than Wiggins


He's less than 3 months older than Wiggins.


Technically, yes, but Giannis had his 19 year-old season and is into his second year in the NBA. The extra 77 games matter, and while the slight age difference makes none to longevity projections, it does matter in the developmental curve.


But it didn't take 77 games to see that Giannis had basic ballhandling skills. You could see his feel with the ball in his hands right away. Sure he was rough around the edges and still is, but the feel was easy to see.

Whereas just about every time you watched Wiggins, against lesser competition in college no less, it looked as if it was the very first time he had ever attempted to dribble a basketball. It was astonishing to me.
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Post#137 » by AussieBuck » Mon Dec 1, 2014 2:43 am

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DutchManDanFan wrote:Giannis can be an all star THIS YEAR.
Remember you heard it here first. With a better PG and 30+ mpg he'll probably averagere 18/8

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Where is this better PG coming from this season? Also, as a bucks fan I'd be more than happy with knight this season.

Knight is one of the worst starting PG's in memory. He can get himself 17 points while utterly destroying your offense. He's completely basketball stupid. If he could play for 50 years he wouldn't learn enough to be on Brandon Jennings' IQ level. He's an embarrassment.
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Re: The Giannis Antetokounmpo Thread 

Post#138 » by Dcebucks11 » Mon Dec 1, 2014 3:55 am

wiggins is gonna be a great player, hes just a different type of player than giannis. hes more paul george type of guy. athletic, streaky shooter.
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Post#139 » by tsherkin » Mon Dec 1, 2014 4:37 am

rockmanslim wrote:
But it didn't take 77 games to see that Giannis had basic ballhandling skills. You could see his feel with the ball in his hands right away. Sure he was rough around the edges and still is, but the feel was easy to see.


This is wntirely unrelated to my point, and ignores playing style besides. Don't know why you bothered quoting me to say this. Wiggins blows at handling, which isn't new, but only people who went "6'8 and athletic, must be Lebron 2.0" had any notions to the contrary.
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Re: The Giannis Antetokounmpo Thread 

Post#140 » by BMatt07 » Mon Dec 8, 2014 3:13 pm

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