Who would you trade?

[NavLDO]

Here is the thing. We have a pretty good squad. They haven't meshed well yet, but the scary thing about the WC is that we have 8 legit teams who are definitely better than us when healthy. I don't know how you can dispute that.

So we are in the second tier with Sac, Den and NO, and they all, except for Denver have legit big time players....big guy players which make the most impact unless you have a guy like we did with KJ or Nash who just seemed to elevate everyone else in a big way can make a huge difference. I love Dragic and Bledsoe, and honestly I really like everyone on this team....

...But this year he got another pg and had to play him....I'm not sure who advocated for this but I HOPE it was McD for trade value.

The simple answer is we don't need him. The team struggled without him for a few games but that is expected as they had gotten used to having to defer to him on the floor.

Plus, the top 11 teams in the West have a PF/PA differential of 0 or higher...the East? 5. If we were in the East, we'd be the 5th seed right now. The league would never do it, but it would be awesome if they allowed the 16 best teams, regardless of conference, into the Playoffs, that would put us as the 12th seed. We are just unlucky to be in the dominant conference at this point. It won't always be that way, though, it's just frustrating because we are not as we used to be...a solid perennial 5 seed or higher.

As far as IT, my guess is they keep him until Dragic is signed, or he is traded for a solid 2, or Ennis proves to be a dependable backup PG. Until then, he's here for awhile. If we traded him at the deadline and Bledsoe went down the next game, we would be left with Dragic and Ennis only...not good.

Overall, though, I still would not trade any of our top 10 talented players (EB, IT, Gogi, the Morri, Len, Green, Tucker, Warren, and Goodwin). I also wouldn't Ennis or Plumlee unless it was for a more established PG for Ennis, or a better talent at the 5.

[bwgood77]

I know how to read my son. I said these moronic trade ideas and they are. You are better than putting this garbage out.

You wouldn't trade Green and picks for Anderson? Not that I think New Orleans would do it anyway, but I think that type of move certainly wouldn't hurt the team. Love Green but there is a chance he leaves and we have a clogged backcourt.

I do not know if I would or not It all depends on what else has to be sent to NOP to balance out the salary difference. We do not have cap to make the trade straight up and I know NOP would not do so.

I think 98% of these trade suggestions over the past couple of days are juvenile knee-jerk reactions to a couple of tough games. When you start seeing names like Hickson, Biyombo, Stevenson, Monroe and the mystery all-star big man (unnamed or course) that is going to send us over the top you know this has degenerated into garbage. Of course we have those that want to trade Dragic and Green for rookies and draft choices to avoid a cap holds or having to pay them. And we have the other geniuses who think its time to sit all the vets and play the rookies to develop them because it OK two games before we hit the quarter-popint to punt a team that sits in a playoff spot into the tank so that Tyler Ennis can develop.

You seem to be one of the few posters here that has kept his head and not engaged in the insanity. People need to be a little patient while this team works through its issues. Mid season trades for players that change the fundamental nature of the team almost never are successful and often kills teams in the long term.

In general 98% of trades posted on realgm are all ridiculous. I've tried to mention in posts why trades would never make sense for the other team or ours, and then the same trade idea pops up weekly after that. So it's kind of a lost cause to spend too much time discrediting them.

For the most part we don't have a ton of trade assets right now other than maybe the Lakers pick, because the position we horde players at is the deepest position in the league, and then two value contracts (Dragic and Green) are going to be free agents, so people won't give up much at all for them.

It's kind of a knee jerk reaction, but we have rarely looked really good this year and are not fun to watch, and the chemistry does NOT look good, so if it doesn't work itself out, you'd think they would at least attempt to make a move even if it is just basically getting out of a contract, despite it being a pretty good player, just to make the team work better together and to free up cap space for the summer. Some players that have been mentioned like O'Quinn or Biyombo may not contribute much, if at all (I don't think Biyombo would get covered on offense so someone would almost always get double teamed) but at least those guys, if they didn't work out, we could let them walk.

Hopefully everything falls into place, but none of these point guards seem too happy because of playing time or playing off the ball so I'm not sure how that can just automatically work itself out.

[bwgood77]

Double post

[nevetsov]

As far as IT, my guess is they keep him until Dragic is signed, or he is traded for a solid 2, or Ennis proves to be a dependable backup PG. Until then, he's here for awhile.

The thing is, Ennis won't get the opportunity to prove he's a dependable backup as long as IT is around.

[Marz11]

Ennis was picked so that McD could then trade him to Toronto but it backfired.

[NavLDO]

As far as IT, my guess is they keep him until Dragic is signed, or he is traded for a solid 2, or Ennis proves to be a dependable backup PG. Until then, he's here for awhile.

The thing is, Ennis won't get the opportunity to prove he's a dependable backup as long as IT is around.

Catch-22, huh!? I agree, but hopefully, if a game is out of reach early in the 4th, either way, it would behoove Hornacek to get Ennis some minutes.

[JDLAW]

You wouldn't trade Green and picks for Anderson? Not that I think New Orleans would do it anyway, but I think that type of move certainly wouldn't hurt the team. Love Green but there is a chance he leaves and we have a clogged backcourt.

I do not know if I would or not It all depends on what else has to be sent to NOP to balance out the salary difference. We do not have cap to make the trade straight up and I know NOP would not do so.

I think 98% of these trade suggestions over the past couple of days are juvenile knee-jerk reactions to a couple of tough games. When you start seeing names like Hickson, Biyombo, Stevenson, Monroe and the mystery all-star big man (unnamed or course) that is going to send us over the top you know this has degenerated into garbage. Of course we have those that want to trade Dragic and Green for rookies and draft choices to avoid a cap holds or having to pay them. And we have the other geniuses who think its time to sit all the vets and play the rookies to develop them because it OK two games before we hit the quarter-popint to punt a team that sits in a playoff spot into the tank so that Tyler Ennis can develop.

You seem to be one of the few posters here that has kept his head and not engaged in the insanity. People need to be a little patient while this team works through its issues. Mid season trades for players that change the fundamental nature of the team almost never are successful and often kills teams in the long term.

In general 98% of trades posted on realgm are all ridiculous. I've tried to mention in posts why trades would never make sense for the other team or ours, and then the same trade idea pops up weekly after that. So it's kind of a lost cause to spend too much time discrediting them.

For the most part we don't have a ton of trade assets right now other than maybe the Lakers pick, because the position we horde players at is the deepest team in the league, and then two value contracts (Dragic and Green) are going to be free agents, so people won't give up much at all for them.

It's kind of a knee jerk reaction, but we have rarely looked really good this year and are not fun to watch, and the chemistry does NOT look good, so if it doesn't work itself out, you'd think they would at least attempt to make a move even if it is just basically getting out of a contract, despite it being a pretty good player, just to make the team work better together and to free up cap space for the summer. Some players that have been mentioned like O'Quinn or Biyombo may not contribute much, if at all (I don't think Biyombo would get covered on offense so someone would almost always get double teamed) but at least those guys, if they didn't work out, we could let them walk.

Hopefully everything falls into place, but none of these point guards seem to happy because of playing time or playing off the ball so I'm not sure how that can just automatically work itself out.

So good you had to say it twice. I agree the presence of Thomas has the team chemistry a little unsettled. Mainly because Dragic and Bledsloe are uneasy about playing time and/or looking over their shoulders in the event they have an off night. They problem is that they aren't afforded the opportunity to play through a funk and find their rhythm. I am of the opinion that Dragic cannot stand out in the corner off the ball as he has done through many of the first 10-12 games. The last 3-4 games Dragic and Bledsoe seem to have found their chemistry and I think they can continue this, provided Dragic stays aggressive and takes over the lead guard duties more often.

My observation of Thomas is that he is an excellent scorer, but when he is running the team, especially in the half court, there is too much dribbling and too much standing around watching. Too often we see Thomas dribbling the ball up court and attacking to take the shot. Everybody else stands and watches. There needs to be more movement, crisp and aggressive passing and taking the open shot when it is available and do not break off the offense too soon. This is where Hornacek needs to impose his will a little more. Play the game like he wants it played or sit in the bench. The chemistry will return.

[TheBledShow]

Who would we want from Tdot that would be avaliable? I would love Vasquez over IT and throw patrick patterson into that trade just a much better Toliver..... We could of traded for some of there depth, but Ennis is going to develop to be a good pg.

Anyway no real guy that is an obvious guy that we would draft ennis just to trade, so I dont think we picked Ennis so then we could trade with Toronto even for a pick because Masai hates giving up picks and so does McD. I mean like Amir and his ability to rebound and leadership, Patrick Patterson good stretch 4 the polished and better version of Toliver and Vasquez who I would of loved off the bench over IT but thats just my opinon. If we could of got one of those players its still not worth it but we got Archie, and Warren it would of been interesting to see who could of taken ennis and what we could of gotten, hey maybe a defensive rebounder, or a improved stretch 4 makes us that much better you never no.

But I dont think Ennis was ever going to be traded during the draft, but hes a guy I may look to trade, because how good will he actually be and figure out this log jam at the pg position, I want IT gone but people will disagree, and I think I would rather see Archie and Warren time to develop they have shown to many flashes. Trading IT would help develop the younger guys, and getting a steady back up pg who doesnt shoot to much and is fairly efficent would of been an upgrade enough over Ish so someone like Vasquez, even if I did like ish as the back up pg because he brought something to the suns that not every guard brought, but he was definitley upgradable, Ish just had the ability to wake up the offense with his speed and pass first mentality like last year vs the spurs when Dragic and Green were off, he was the savior that night. I want to see IT do that where he takes over on the defensive end and looks to pass first, play to win rather than for buckets. If IT doesnt play and buy into that I want to trade IT, he just doesnt fit all its such a log jam at the pg postion especially if IT wants to be ball dominate and shoot 70% of the time, than kick him to the curb, because he cant be himself because it takes away from what the Suns backcourt did last year because we peaked before bled got hurt and even at the end of the season, and it makes me mad thinking that IT is taking away from dragic on given nights, or IT is taking away from Bledsoe, even if IT has an off night he still gonna get 8-10 shots up even if he plays under 20 mins, thats who he is, but hes got the quickness, and ball handling skills where he could fit his game into more of a pass first guy who plays off the ball and plays tough d, he cant come in with that 2k iso cross over mentality if he does it wont work and we can trade his ass to Lakers with the rest of the losers.

[TheBledShow]

Has anyone else noticed.

Obviously at the beginning of last year Green would never pass, but as the seaon went on he really matured, developed a little bit of a IQ, got crafty, and made the winning passes, and if he was off he stopped chucking we saw him do it vs the knicks at the garden last year going 2/16 and missing all his 3s, but by the end of the year Green would of take 8 shots that game and just relaxed and not just throw up shots. He did it in the Bobcats game where he only took I believe he took 6 shots in 21 mins, making 2 of them but not forcing any shots, and giving up the ball on transition for easier shots, But IT seems like when hes in Green just wants to be a 2k cross over chuck squad, or like he has to be the dynamic duo that lights it up with scoring everytime, anytime they play with eachother its like Green thinks he has to light it up wit IT and never passes...... But when hes in with dragic and bledsoe the last 3 games, he looked like hes playing to win, but when hes in with IT its a whole new ball game and he wants to be show time, and the heat check guy. So not blaming IT hes obviously not telling him to hog when hes in, but Greens mindset changes when ITs imo.

Just some food to didgest.

[TheBledShow]

I do not know if I would or not It all depends on what else has to be sent to NOP to balance out the salary difference. We do not have cap to make the trade straight up and I know NOP would not do so.

I think 98% of these trade suggestions over the past couple of days are juvenile knee-jerk reactions to a couple of tough games. When you start seeing names like Hickson, Biyombo, Stevenson, Monroe and the mystery all-star big man (unnamed or course) that is going to send us over the top you know this has degenerated into garbage. Of course we have those that want to trade Dragic and Green for rookies and draft choices to avoid a cap holds or having to pay them. And we have the other geniuses who think its time to sit all the vets and play the rookies to develop them because it OK two games before we hit the quarter-popint to punt a team that sits in a playoff spot into the tank so that Tyler Ennis can develop.

You seem to be one of the few posters here that has kept his head and not engaged in the insanity. People need to be a little patient while this team works through its issues. Mid season trades for players that change the fundamental nature of the team almost never are successful and often kills teams in the long term.

In general 98% of trades posted on realgm are all ridiculous. I've tried to mention in posts why trades would never make sense for the other team or ours, and then the same trade idea pops up weekly after that. So it's kind of a lost cause to spend too much time discrediting them.

For the most part we don't have a ton of trade assets right now other than maybe the Lakers pick, because the position we horde players at is the deepest team in the league, and then two value contracts (Dragic and Green) are going to be free agents, so people won't give up much at all for them.

It's kind of a knee jerk reaction, but we have rarely looked really good this year and are not fun to watch, and the chemistry does NOT look good, so if it doesn't work itself out, you'd think they would at least attempt to make a move even if it is just basically getting out of a contract, despite it being a pretty good player, just to make the team work better together and to free up cap space for the summer. Some players that have been mentioned like O'Quinn or Biyombo may not contribute much, if at all (I don't think Biyombo would get covered on offense so someone would almost always get double teamed) but at least those guys, if they didn't work out, we could let them walk.

Hopefully everything falls into place, but none of these point guards seem to happy because of playing time or playing off the ball so I'm not sure how that can just automatically work itself out.

So good you had to say it twice. I agree the presence of Thomas has the team chemistry a little unsettled. Mainly because Dragic and Bledsloe are uneasy about playing time and/or looking over their shoulders in the event they have an off night. They problem is that they aren't afforded the opportunity to play through a funk and find their rhythm. I am of the opinion that Dragic cannot stand out in the corner off the ball as he has done through many of the first 10-12 games. The last 3-4 games Dragic and Bledsoe seem to have found their chemistry and I think they can continue this, provided Dragic stays aggressive and takes over the lead guard duties more often.

My observation of Thomas is that he is an excellent scorer, but when he is running the team, especially in the half court, there is too much dribbling and too much standing around watching. Too often we see Thomas dribbling the ball up court and attacking to take the shot. Everybody else stands and watches. There needs to be more movement, crisp and aggressive passing and taking the open shot when it is available and do not break off the offense too soon. This is where Hornacek needs to impose his will a little more. Play the game like he wants it played or sit in the bench. The chemistry will return.

Dragic played with Steve Nash and rotated at the 1-2 for the first 3 years of his career.... Dragic learned how to play with a ball dominate guard and thats why hes so good off the ball.
Bledsoe played the 2 with Chris Paul and rotated as the backup pg, he really learned how to play with a ball dominate guard, and thats why bled is very good in transition and knowing how to run the floor without the ball in his hands.

IT has always been ball dominate, Tyreke Evans experiment was awful and the other would just play iso ball if they had it and would never let it go. It wasnt a true combo guard type offense either, IT just doesnt no how to play without the ball, and the suns front office should of known that when they got IT..........

[TheBledShow]

LIke every1 acted like Dragic could avg 20 and bled could avg 16 with IT avg 14 and Green avg 13..... Its like no.... I have never seen a 4 guard rotation of this magnitude work when you have 2 guys off the bench who are heat check guys who look to score everytime they touch the ball..... It just would never work and I knew it coming into the season. Curry,Klay, and Jack worked because Jack didnt chuck like IT, he played d, and played as a true pg when steph was young and developing. IT is the complete opposite of Jack, which makes him sort of a cancer..... Cool he can score but hes not always making the right play, and his defense is such a liability worse defender on the team, Gorans d has been bad but I believe he was tired at the beginning of the year. And then you throw in Green next to a pg who doesnt no how to play as a floor general and looks to shoot and create for himself just like Green while it may work when there together, but your taking away minutes or oppurtunities and even ball rotation from other players... IT your a great fit on 2k but not in real life with other point guards. People need to get that. No starting guards would play well with IT and Green off the bench. Green is great and has proven to play really really well with other guards, but you put IT on the team two u got 2 similar players who are offensively aggressive and not defensive minded. The difference between Green and IT is I dont think IT can play with other point guards hell even guards for that matter Ben looks average now after looking like a huge dissapointment in Sac Town last year, and to be honest IT has never proven he could. So IT is the obvious trade....... Yea we cant just trade him but if he is a chemistry issue, he obviously wont see a 2nd year in phx.

[TheBledShow]

I sort of restated alot of the same good. I really want IT gone. Just kick him to the curb and move on.

Goran isnt going anywhere..... Organization loves him way to much and so do the fans.

[Frank Lee]

Throw all that share-ball-minutes pg log jam out the window if you consider, 'Who' is the easiest and most marketable guy to trade on this team....as well as who will bring the most back???

You should know the answer BledShow.

[Damkac]

When you're barely above .500, nobody is untouchable.

Len and Warren (+ maybe Goodwin) should be untouchable

Suns need to trade one of Dragic (Goran ofc), Bledsoe or Thomas. I voted for Thomas but I'm really not sure.

[Revived]

I don't understand why people are saying its knee jerk reactions when it's obvious this team will be a lottery team again.

Like seriously, is the goal of the Phoenkx Suns to get the #14 pick every season?

Maybe I'm mistaken but is there an award for becoming the #9 seed?

This team way it's constructed now will not make playoffs in the West. So what do you do? Wait for #14 pick or make a trade?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I don't understand why people are saying its knee jerk reactions when it's obvious this team will be a lottery team again.

Like seriously, is the goal of the Phoenkx Suns to get the #14 pick every season?

Maybe I'm mistaken but is there an award for becoming the #9 seed?

This team way it's constructed now will not make playoffs in the West. So what do you do? Wait for #14 pick or make a trade?

I think a big part of the plan involves staying close to contention so that we can spill over, in a sense, into contender status with a big trade. I'm beginning to wonder if McDonough doesn't mind being in a position where he can continue to hold his cards close, even at the cost of some players' unhappiness.

I agree with some around here who would say that the Suns should and therefore do want to keep Gerald Green.

One thing I'd like to see going forward his more motion by the guards closer to halfcourt. Dare teams to get up on us, but play fast and alert and create space for our bigs.

[toucansma]

I don't understand why people are saying its knee jerk reactions when it's obvious this team will be a lottery team again.

Like seriously, is the goal of the Phoenkx Suns to get the #14 pick every season?

Maybe I'm mistaken but is there an award for becoming the #9 seed?

This team way it's constructed now will not make playoffs in the West. So what do you do? Wait for #14 pick or make a trade?

You don't want to make a knee jerk a trade either and set the team back even more (ex: albatross contract). I am sure McD is hitting the phones and scouring the league, but he is waiting to jump on what would be best for this team. Maybe its a trade which makes them worse this year and better in the future. Who knows, but patience is key.

[MrMiyagi]

We went from major rebuild project last year to suddenly delusions of championships.... Is it really terrible to wait a bit longer and see how things come together? I still think Len and TJ are going to be big for us. Are we patient enough to ride this year out and let them develop? Of course not. We want Kevin Love or Al Horford or whoever else.

[aIvin adams]

i want to keeps our PGs for a while

[aIvin adams]

if the suns could get a lot for dragic, then i guess i'd trade him. i know we could get a fair return for bledsoe or IT because they are on long affordable contracts. i dunno what dragic will sign ofr in the offseason. i hope he doesnt want more then lowry dollars...