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Big 3 needed? Who is the target? Draft, FA or trade?

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Re: Big 3 needed? Who is the target? Draft, FA or trade? 

Post#101 » by smauss » Fri Dec 5, 2014 8:51 pm

LUKE23 wrote:I think what we want and what the organization wants are going to be different. I'm under the impression that the organization views Knight, Giannis, Parker, and Sanders as our current core. I just don't see anything yet that makes me thing we will let Knight walk, even though I think paying him $10M+ per year would be a monumental mistake.

But operating under the assumption that's going to be our core 4, I'd really like to add the SG via FA and then have the draft available to go BPA. To make an offer to Matthews/Butler/etc. we would have to clear at least one of Pachulia/Mayo/Ilyasova, as we are currently only around $10M under the cap counting our 2015 draft slot, and assuming Dudley opts in (be foolish not to).

Unless I'm reading things incorrectly, it doesn't appear the Bulls have the cap space to fit Butler in. They are at $64M next year not counting their pick, and the cap is projected at $66.3M. They would need to clear quite a bit of salary to keep him. He'd be my target.


I agree completely with this Luke! Love to have Butler. I wish Marc Gasol was a couple years younger, he's 30 now (I think) but would love to see him as our 5.
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Post#102 » by imithanos » Fri Dec 5, 2014 8:55 pm

Like many have mentioned Big 3 :crowded: can be obtained via FA. If Jabari and Giannis prove us right :pray: it's preferable if they grow in a winning team. :rock: They will gain much more this way. Our two protegees have still many things to learn, beginning with their defense and long shots. That's the most important. :nod: And while Kidd has transplanted them the winning spirit and spotted their weaknesses(which it's crucial), he seems not comfortable with losses.
I totally agree we have to trade Mayo, Dudley, Middleton, Henson, Bayless and Zaza, cause it's easier to find similar players in the future. Even Sanders and Knight aren't so important. But we may not get rid so easily our vets. Hopefully when Ingles or JOB return, they will force the management to trade some vets in order to keep the balance in the locker room and give all our youngsters a chance to prove themselves.

We haven't seen a major trade in the league until now. Patience. :meditate: :devil: We can hope SAC, CHA, HOU or NY to hit us the door. If a promising trade happens it's great, but I can't find joy if we start to lose on purpose. :-?

PS: Butler would be a great addition. :D
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Post#103 » by Baddy Chuck » Fri Dec 5, 2014 8:56 pm

I'd max Butler. I wouldn't touch Rondo. Dragic would completely depend on how we look at the end of the season. Prefer to do it slow, maybe sign some free agents that make like a little easier on Jabari/Giannis without too much invested. Someone like Patrick Beverly would be nice.
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Post#104 » by emunney » Fri Dec 5, 2014 9:01 pm

I'm not totally certain about the Bulls maxing Butler, and I'm not totally certain I would, either. It'll be interesting to see how the season plays out. He's doing stuff he's never done before. Does the league figure him out?
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Post#105 » by Ron Swanson » Fri Dec 5, 2014 9:03 pm

The "4-year" window is the time in which we hope to be contending, not when Giannis and Jabari will "be ready to drive us to 50+ wins". Like pressey stated, they're already helping us do that.

It seems that everyone is still hoping for an OKC type rebuild, but let's be real, such a model is incredibly difficult to replicate, and I'd argue it's an extreme exception to the rule. Teams don't just magically go from losing 55 games and getting top 5 picks to winning 50+ in the span of one off-season like OKC did.

It's a pipe dream, and realistically, we're going to have find other avenues to acquire that "missing piece" to the championship puzzle. Selling off vets and improving our draft stock this year is likely our last chance at a top 10 pick before Giannis and Jabari are (hopefully) good enough to carry the team to the postseason.

Giannis and Jabari might not be Lebron and KD level prospects, but if they're going to be the players we hope they will be, it's not going to take 4 years for them to be all-stars. Damien Lillard came in and played at an all-star level at age 21-22. Melo came in and took a sub-20 win Nuggets team to the playoffs in his rookie year at age 19-20.

The NBA isn't like football or baseball. You largely know the ceilings of the truly great talents by their 2nd-3rd years in the league. If Jabari and Giannis aren't already making an impact in a poor Eastern conference by their 3rd/4th seasons respectively, then we have to start questioning whether they deserve max contracts anyways.
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Post#106 » by AussieBuck » Fri Dec 5, 2014 9:38 pm

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Post#107 » by Badgerlander » Fri Dec 5, 2014 9:40 pm

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Currently KJ McDaniels is playing for the NBA minimum on a one year contract to prove himself. He has clearly established himself as one of the 5 best rookies already. What kind of contract do you think he will get in the offseason?

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I'm talking myself into believing somebody might offer him the mid-level exception this summer. He's a really good role player.
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Post#108 » by AussieBuck » Fri Dec 5, 2014 9:44 pm

The way I see it the 19 year olds are going to start winning too much as of next season so it makes sense to have one last dip at the lottery, that should trump all other considerations right now. We can shoot for 7th spot and hope to get lucky but should be able to get a PG or C there. I'm hoping for Jones which leaves us looking at making sure we have 48 minutes of C production going forward. At least try to convince Gasol we are his perfect team and when that fails throw everything at the Jazz to try and get Gobert. Failing that go after underused guys like Biyombo. Don't spend any multi year money at all until we are sure we have the C spot cemented.
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Post#109 » by Baddy Chuck » Fri Dec 5, 2014 9:47 pm

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Currently KJ McDaniels is playing for the NBA minimum on a one year contract to prove himself. He has clearly established himself as one of the 5 best rookies already. What kind of contract do you think he will get in the offseason?

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I'm talking myself into believing somebody might offer him the mid-level exception this summer. He's a really good role player.

I have no idea what Philly was thinking with that contract.
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Post#110 » by DarvinHam » Fri Dec 5, 2014 9:53 pm

I'd love to get a top 5 pick as much as the next guy, but our last big 3 was built through a combination of Top 5 picks (Ray, Glenn) and a great trade for Cassel.

The OKC 3 superstars drafted within 3-4 years model is awesome, but just not always doable. I don't see why we can't get our third guy through a trade or FA. Just need to be smart.
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Post#111 » by Badgerlander » Fri Dec 5, 2014 9:55 pm

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Currently KJ McDaniels is playing for the NBA minimum on a one year contract to prove himself. He has clearly established himself as one of the 5 best rookies already. What kind of contract do you think he will get in the offseason?

Kevin Pelton (3:29 PM)
I'm talking myself into believing somebody might offer him the mid-level exception this summer. He's a really good role player.


I have no idea what Philly was thinking with that contract.


all of which makes me wonder if he'll be on the block for picks
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Post#112 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Dec 5, 2014 9:58 pm

I've been looking at all the cores of contending teams since '00. I'm not done, but the average age of a non-Western Conference 56+ win power team (meaning one of those 49 to 54 win Eastern teams that are *technically contenders) core is 28.3.

If the Bucks are contenders by '17, the average age of Knight, Sanders, Giannis and Parker would be 24 years old, 4 years younger than the average and over 2 years younger than the next youngest (the '02-'03 era Nets when the East was all-time terrible).

Working on the traditional contenders now. Most are out West. But there's a reason I think the window doesn't open for 4 years. Even the "young" contenders are almost always lead by players in their mid-20s.
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Post#113 » by emunney » Fri Dec 5, 2014 9:59 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
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Currently KJ McDaniels is playing for the NBA minimum on a one year contract to prove himself. He has clearly established himself as one of the 5 best rookies already. What kind of contract do you think he will get in the offseason?

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I'm talking myself into believing somebody might offer him the mid-level exception this summer. He's a really good role player.

I have no idea what Philly was thinking with that contract.


From what I read, McDaniels and his agent pushed for it. 6ers wanted 4 years with 2 ng'd. Most 2nd rounders jump at 2 fully guaranteed years; McDaniels didn't and the 6ers obliged.
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Post#114 » by Baddy Chuck » Fri Dec 5, 2014 10:01 pm

emunney wrote:From what I read, McDaniels and his agent pushed for it. 6ers wanted 4 years with 2 ng'd. Most 2nd rounders jump at 2 fully guaranteed years; McDaniels didn't and the 6ers obliged.

That'd make sense. His mom wasn't exactly thrilled with Philly drafting him either.

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Post#115 » by paulpressey25 » Fri Dec 5, 2014 10:02 pm

We probably need to make of list of how certain teams rocketed up into consistent 50-game winners and do some additional study other than just looking at OKC. Here's a few I'll put on the list.

Nets: Hit w/decent draft picks in RJ, Kerry Kittles and Kenyon Martin. Added Jason Kidd

Mavericks: Had Nash and Dirk turn into stars in Dirk's third year in the league.

Suns: Drafted Marion and Amare and started to climb. Had some setbacks but then signed Nash

Warriors: Drafted Curry, Klay, Barnes, signed Lee as FA, dealt for Bogut

Wizards: This is premature as I think Grunfeld screws it up, but drafted Wall, Beal. Signed/dealt for Nene and Gortat. Signed Pierce.
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Post#116 » by EastSideBucksFan » Fri Dec 5, 2014 10:05 pm

Add the Pacers who drafted Hibbert, drafted Paul George and then signed David West at age 28 (?).
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Post#117 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Dec 5, 2014 10:07 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:We probably need to make of list of how certain teams rocketed up into consistent 50-game winners and do some additional study other than just looking at OKC. Here's a few I'll put on the list.

Nets: Hit w/decent draft picks in RJ, Kerry Kittles and Kenyon Martin. Added Jason Kidd

Mavericks: Had Nash and Dirk turn into stars in Dirk's third year in the league.

Suns: Drafted Marion and Amare and started to climb. Had some setbacks but then signed Nash

Warriors: Drafted Curry, Klay, Barnes, signed Lee as FA, dealt for Bogut

Wizards: This is premature as I think Grunfeld screws it up, but drafted Wall, Beal. Signed/dealt for Nene and Gortat. Signed Pierce.


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Post#118 » by DanoMac » Fri Dec 5, 2014 10:14 pm

I see a lot of point guards being thrown around. We don't necessarily need a point guard IF we could get a 2 that can handle, shoot, and play a little D, ala Wade. If Waiters didn't belong in an insane asylum, he'd be my first target. Same with Stephenson. Wes Matthews, while he has those traits, is a little too old for me to get excited about.

It's time to buy low on someone. I wonder if Minnesota would be open to trading Shabazz? Exum would be perfect, but it would take a gold mine.

If point guard ends up being the route, I'd wait until the offseason and see what Utah wants for Burke. Otherwise the only realistic options we may be looking at would be like a Reggie Jackson
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Post#119 » by emunney » Fri Dec 5, 2014 10:18 pm

By the way, it wouldn't upset me in the slightest if we did some of these moves to break down the roster and add assets, then turned around and made a splash in FA with guys like Dragic and Wes Matthews. I don't think Giannis and Jabari are far off. I just sense an opportunity to add another top 5ish pick (ours) along with a smattering of assets that we can use to either build out the back end of the roster or ship in a Sheed-style trade. We can win with a young team and a couple key vet acquisitions next year. This is a good year to have a good pick; it is also a good year (maybe the only good year ever) to spend in FA.
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Post#120 » by ReKon » Fri Dec 5, 2014 10:26 pm

DanoMac wrote:I see a lot of point guards being thrown around. We don't necessarily need a point guard IF we could get a 2 that can handle, shoot, and play a little D, ala Wade. If Waiters didn't belong in an insane asylum, he'd be my first target. Same with Stephenson. Wes Matthews, while he has those traits, is a little too old for me to get excited about.

It's time to buy low on someone. I wonder if Minnesota would be open to trading Shabazz? Exum would be perfect, but it would take a gold mine.

If point guard ends up being the route, I'd wait until the offseason and see what Utah wants for Burke. Otherwise the only realistic options we may be looking at would be like a Reggie Jackson



Burke s defence would make you wish you had Knight.Utah wouldn ask for much given that they want Exum to take over at some point and Burke has been below average for them

I do agree that we a combo guard would be better suited for us instead of a traditional point guard because of Giannis s ability to handle the ball at times.That s why i have Russell from Ohio State pretty high on my watchlist

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