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Re: Heat vs Bucks 12-5 Friday 

Post#321 » by Flash4thewin » Sat Dec 6, 2014 7:19 pm

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McBob look like the player i thought he was. He cant defend, he cant rebound, he cant score.... I was baffled when we signed him and im still baffled. It appears that they signed McBob over Beasley because he is a nice white guy. :lol:

Well we are stuck with him hopefully he proves me wrong some day.


Riley signed McBob because he thought he would be a fit for the "LeBron offense"

Blame LeBron for that. Not Riley.


No the blame goes on Pat for that. I for one cant understand how we have UD phone number on speed dial and make him team captain for the duration of the big three yet we cant have a working relationship with Lebron ? It is what it is i guess.
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Re: Heat vs Bucks 12-5 Friday 

Post#322 » by DWadeno3 » Sat Dec 6, 2014 8:22 pm

Flash4thewin wrote:
Sonny Carson wrote:
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McBob look like the player i thought he was. He cant defend, he cant rebound, he cant score.... I was baffled when we signed him and im still baffled. It appears that they signed McBob over Beasley because he is a nice white guy. :lol:

Well we are stuck with him hopefully he proves me wrong some day.


Riley signed McBob because he thought he would be a fit for the "LeBron offense"

Blame LeBron for that. Not Riley.


No the blame goes on Pat for that. I for one cant understand how we have UD phone number on speed dial and make him team captain for the duration of the big three yet we cant have a working relationship with Lebron ? It is what it is i guess.


We didn't have a working relationship with LeBron, are you serious? We brought him here, embraced him, helped him win titles, defended him when the entire basketball world trashed him (just remember Riley telling Ainge to shut the f*** up when Ainge claimed LeBron cried too much about the refs) and you blame us for that?!? Get the f*** outta here with that. I'm tired of this non-sense that we didn't treat LeBron well enough.
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Re: Heat vs Bucks 12-5 Friday 

Post#323 » by DWadeno3 » Sat Dec 6, 2014 8:34 pm

A tough loss that should've never happened. Let's start with our stars:

Wade - Great first half offensively, too lazy defensively, picked his spots to really defend and that hurt us. In the second half, his defense picked up a little but for some reason nobody will understand, he just stopped shooting the ball. Our offense was non-existent, yet he doesn't deem it necessary to pick up the slack. Maybe it was fatigue, but even so, that's when you've gotta push through it. Very disappointing from him at that end given that whenever he put his mind on scoring, he did.

Bosh - Poor game by him on all accounts. He was a massive ballstopper, barely ever recognized a double-team that could've triggered ball movement, was slow on rotations defensively, did not box out one bit and barely hustled for rebounds either. He did the exact opposite of Wade and just kept on gunning away, sometimes even taking more difficult shots than the ones that were originally presented to him. I really didn't like his game tonight.

Players who played well given their abilities were Napier and Ennis, who both brought some energy and poise to us. I think Napier in particular has to have more of a scoring mentality when Chalmers is starting. I for one would start Napier and keep Chalmers on the bench because whenever we had neither Wade nor Rio out there, our entire offense stalled. Chalmers had an off-night, but he's always somebody who can trigger a play.

Generally, I didn't like our offense, mainly because nobody seemed intent to score outside of Bosh, Chalmers and then Wade in the first half. That can't happen. Everybody has to be a threat out there, at least look to make the defense work and not just be a spot-up shooter/passing station. It's no wonder our offense stalls when Wade goes out/gets passive.

Defensively, I noticed our pick and roll coverage was different at times, which helped us but at the same time, we allow middle penetration all damn night from all over the place. It's not just players not trying hard enough, but all of them open up in a stance that allows middle-penetration, which makes it seem like it's an order from the coaching staff, I suppose to force the ball handler into the screen and then have the other player hedge hard, but it's not working. All damn night the middle is being attacked by average offensive players who are made to look like superstars.
I'm not even gonna address our poor rebounding effort, it speaks for itself.

Lastly, I want to speak about this team's general effort level. You're currently not playing well and far below the standards you could reach, yet we come out as flat as you possibly could. Tonight should've been a 40-minute high-energy game after two lackadaisical performances, but instead we get the exact opposite. The attitude we've displayed is downright disgusting. This is not the Big Three era anymore where we can get away with this by Wade, Bosh and James just helping us outscore the opponent. We have to have a high effort level, especially from the role players.

This team has the talent to do things in the East, but we're neither following a good strategy right now nor are we playing hard. These type of performances are downright unacceptable given the players we have. The Bucks are not a good team based on what I've seen from, yet we got our asses handed to us.
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Re: Heat vs Bucks 12-5 Friday 

Post#324 » by DWadeno3 » Sat Dec 6, 2014 8:47 pm

SweetTouch wrote:Now I'm worried about wades 1st round elimination resume


I see, the crowd who blames early playoff exits or team records on players is back. The rosters we had from 08 to 10 really should've done better. :lol: :lol:
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Re: Heat vs Bucks 12-5 Friday 

Post#325 » by Flash4thewin » Sat Dec 6, 2014 8:51 pm

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Flash4thewin wrote:
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Riley signed McBob because he thought he would be a fit for the "LeBron offense"

Blame LeBron for that. Not Riley.


No the blame goes on Pat for that. I for one cant understand how we have UD phone number on speed dial and make him team captain for the duration of the big three yet we cant have a working relationship with Lebron ? It is what it is i guess.


We can't have a working relationship with LeBron, are you serious? We brought him here, embraced him, helped him win titles, defended him when the entire basketball world trashed him (just remember Riley telling Ainge to shut the f*** up when Ainge claimed LeBron cried too much about the refs) and you blame us for that?!? Get the f*** outta here with that. I'm tired of this non-sense that we didn't treat LeBron well enough.


Something happened which turned the relationship that was once a great one into a split. You have Pat that can sell Ice to Eskimos yet was unable to get a face to face meeting with Lebron at the end? Something clearly happened. Right now all i care about how to get this team back into a championship contender. We have many adjustments to make and hopefully get lucky in trades.
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Re: Heat vs Bucks 12-5 Friday 

Post#326 » by DWadeno3 » Sat Dec 6, 2014 8:59 pm

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No the blame goes on Pat for that. I for one cant understand how we have UD phone number on speed dial and make him team captain for the duration of the big three yet we cant have a working relationship with Lebron ? It is what it is i guess.


We can't have a working relationship with LeBron, are you serious? We brought him here, embraced him, helped him win titles, defended him when the entire basketball world trashed him (just remember Riley telling Ainge to shut the f*** up when Ainge claimed LeBron cried too much about the refs) and you blame us for that?!? Get the f*** outta here with that. I'm tired of this non-sense that we didn't treat LeBron well enough.


Something happened which turned the relationship that was once a great one into a split. You have Pat that can sell Ice to Eskimos yet was unable to get a face to face meeting with Lebron at the end? Something clearly happened. Right now all i care about how to get this team back into a championship contender. We have many adjustments to make and hopefully get lucky in trades.


Yes, LeBron being his selfish, narcissistic self happened, nothing else. Superstars are spoiled brats and LeBron is amongst the worst of them personality wise. The way LeBron conducted his business only supports that notion, both in Cleveland and here.
Hell, Wade almost left us for Chicago in 2010 and at least in his case he could've said we wasted two years of his prime with extremely poor talent around him just for the 2010 plan. But even Wade is a diva, albeit not as much of one as LeBron.

Loyalty means less than it ever did in this business. I mean look at the Cavs move from LeBron's perspective:

- Basketball wise, a young intriguing core he can lead.
- Marketing wise, he can milk the 'coming home' aspect and remove the stain he got four years ago when he joined us. Do you know how much money his brand is probably making off of it?
- Legacy wise, if he can win only one title with Cleveland, that'll probably be worth as much as winning two or three more here.
- LeBron runs this organization or at least has a large say in it, which would've never happened around here and I'm glad for it. But if you can influence the GM a lot, why not go there?

For him personally, there was no smarter move than this, especially from a business standpoint. That's the reason he left, not because Riley didn't show him enough love.
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Re: Heat vs Bucks 12-5 Friday 

Post#327 » by dolphinatik » Sat Dec 6, 2014 10:53 pm

Lebron is gone. Free agency.

Why even sweat it?
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Re: Heat vs Bucks 12-5 Friday 

Post#328 » by DWadeno3 » Sat Dec 6, 2014 11:23 pm

dolphinatik wrote:Lebron is gone. Free agency.

Why even sweat it?


This has nothing to do with not accepting that he's gone. I never had a huge problem with it, players come and go. I do have a problem with people disrespecting or unfairly criticizing our franchise.
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Re: Heat vs Bucks 12-5 Friday 

Post#329 » by LikeABosh » Sun Dec 7, 2014 12:02 am

Lebron leaving is his own doing. I don't see how anyone would think it's the franchise's fault.
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Re: Heat vs Bucks 12-5 Friday 

Post#330 » by Shewasfly » Sun Dec 7, 2014 12:41 am

Is there a link for the full game from yesterday on youtube like there is sometimes? I would like people to show exactly where Wade was so "bad" and "lazy" defensively because right now it looks like people are just searching for something to blame him for. He was not the problem at all yesterday. Not on either side of the court.
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Post#331 » by cyclix » Sun Dec 7, 2014 12:44 am

Heat fans love to hate on Wade for some strange reason
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Post#332 » by Tony15 » Sun Dec 7, 2014 2:14 am

Without Miami, LeBron doesn't have **** to this point. Anyone pinning blame on this franchise is an idiot, especially considering Pat made way more exceptions for one player than he would anybody else.


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Re: Heat vs Bucks 12-5 Friday 

Post#333 » by gom » Sun Dec 7, 2014 3:03 am

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DayofMourning wrote:Finally, I blame Lebron for holding us up and making us build a team to surround him, when he was heading to Cleveland. I believe we'd have made wiser/better choices having known his direction.



I don't know how useful it is to blame players on other teams for our problems. As long as we make the playoffs I'm going to be pretty happy. Once we are in the playoffs anything can happen. Yes, we can be crushed and exit in the first round, but I don't think that's going to happen.

Credit to the Bucks. They are a lot better than last year.


I don't know how useful any criticism is going to be concerning this team. My point was that this team was built to support LBJ, and was built accordingly. Having known his decision, when it seems that it was pretty affirmed already, would have allowed us to approach contracts and players more productively.


It's possible - as competitive as he is - the way he handled it was planned to screw us as much as possible. Very likely, he didn't want us to be a team that would succeed. I can't blame him. That was smart - he eliminated one team from the championship before the season.
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Re: Heat vs Bucks 12-5 Friday 

Post#334 » by DefenseWins » Sun Dec 7, 2014 5:32 am

DWadeno3 wrote:
SweetTouch wrote:Now I'm worried about wades 1st round elimination resume


I see, the crowd who blames early playoff exits or team records on players is back. The rosters we had from 08 to 10 really should've done better. :lol: :lol:


Some players on those rosters aren't even in the league now... man Wade really had to pull his weight around with the trash he was trying to carry

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Re: Heat vs Bucks 12-5 Friday 

Post#335 » by RexBoyWonder » Sun Dec 7, 2014 9:36 am

gom wrote:
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gom wrote:

I don't know how useful it is to blame players on other teams for our problems. As long as we make the playoffs I'm going to be pretty happy. Once we are in the playoffs anything can happen. Yes, we can be crushed and exit in the first round, but I don't think that's going to happen.

Credit to the Bucks. They are a lot better than last year.


I don't know how useful any criticism is going to be concerning this team. My point was that this team was built to support LBJ, and was built accordingly. Having known his decision, when it seems that it was pretty affirmed already, would have allowed us to approach contracts and players more productively.


It's possible - as competitive as he is - the way he handled it was planned to screw us as much as possible. Very likely, he didn't want us to be a team that would succeed. I can't blame him. That was smart - he eliminated one team from the championship before the season.


That's basically it.

And that's the reason I hate on the ungrateful punk, not because he choose to leave. that was his right.
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Post#336 » by krikor » Sun Dec 7, 2014 10:19 am

I am feeling deng signing was panic mode signing, yep this team was built around lebron.Once he left, we are getting exposed.

I am hoping we go back to old school basketball , get a legit superstar C who protects the paint. Be a defensive force. This season is a pass, and after this season i think we can only go up and not down.
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Re: Heat vs Bucks 12-5 Friday 

Post#337 » by dancing2thabeet » Sun Dec 7, 2014 1:49 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:
gom wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:
I don't know how useful any criticism is going to be concerning this team. My point was that this team was built to support LBJ, and was built accordingly. Having known his decision, when it seems that it was pretty affirmed already, would have allowed us to approach contracts and players more productively.


It's possible - as competitive as he is - the way he handled it was planned to screw us as much as possible. Very likely, he didn't want us to be a team that would succeed. I can't blame him. That was smart - he eliminated one team from the championship before the season.


That's basically it.

And that's the reason I hate on the ungrateful punk, not because he choose to leave. that was his right.


That's what I have been saying since the moment he left. If he let Pat know he was leaving in time, we would be a contender now.

**** James for that. I never had any issues with him, but he can really go **** himself for that. **** him.
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