Draymond Green discussion...and "californiadude" blackmail.

[californiadude]

That is the biggest worry I have as a Warriors Fan right now. He is playing so well, im sure some bum-team will offer him 12 and depending on the rest of the season and the playoffs, maybe even more.
I still dont think we should trade him. There are not many teams that can give him 12+ and compete on the same level as the Warriors. That is my hope. Chemistry is as good as anywhere, if not better, so lets hope he takes the 10.5 and does us a favor...

Exactly. I'm not saying we should trade him, I'll happily admit I was wrong. All I'm saying is I may have been wrong about one thing but i was right about the other . He's a young rfa on a cap clogged team. And if he continues to play this way he's getting big time bucks. I said he was getting paid 4 years 36 based on his per-a-minute numbers in september and everyone thought I was crazy. I hope we can get him for 10.5 but I doubt it at this point. But some team is going to think they can steal him. They could throw a Lin style poisen pill offer at him. That's when things could get ugly.

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At this point, we're going to have to pay the tax. No way around it. It'll be Lacob's first big test of whether he's willing to spend. I'm sure everyone's preference is to dump either Iggy or Lee though.

Yeah I've accepted the whole tax thing. It's an unfortunate reality at this point.

[Twinkie defense]

Why unfortunate? Paying the tax would be a good faith move by ownership, and it's only for one season - they can afford it. They've at least doubled their investment in the franchise already - can you imagine what the franchise will be worth with a great team, new SF arena, and new TV contract?

[Twinkie defense]

Just want to say this in my defense....I was wrong about the shooting (clearly) but with that said I was right in some aspects....
I've said since September that some desperate team could convince themselves to pay green upwards of 13 million year....knowing they could steal him from GSW. Many of you thought that was crazy. That's now a serious reality.

My orignal point was that if we have to pay him like a star, will he live up to that. If we could get Horford for him etc.

I may have seriously underestimated his shooting ability. But if he continues to play like this it's not out of the question in this cap crazy league to get a 50 mill deal.

That's something that could cause us real problems down the line. Anybody who thinks this guy is getting 9 mill a year is naive.

It's probably a good thing that the Warriors can re-sign Draymond before the cap balloons in 2016.

That said, I still think his value around the League will be depressed (as far as that many millions is a "depressed" salary). Most teams reserve their big paydays for players who fill up the scoring line (even if they do so inefficiently) or play center. There is just not a lot of respect (where $ = respect) for tough, heady Swiss Army knives. And you know fans would revolt if Draymond Green was their big FA signing.

[californiadude]

Just want to say this in my defense....I was wrong about the shooting (clearly) but with that said I was right in some aspects....
I've said since September that some desperate team could convince themselves to pay green upwards of 13 million year....knowing they could steal him from GSW. Many of you thought that was crazy. That's now a serious reality.

My orignal point was that if we have to pay him like a star, will he live up to that. If we could get Horford for him etc.

I may have seriously underestimated his shooting ability. But if he continues to play like this it's not out of the question in this cap crazy league to get a 50 mill deal.

That's something that could cause us real problems down the line. Anybody who thinks this guy is getting 9 mill a year is naive.

It's probably a good thing that the Warriors can re-sign Draymond before the cap balloons in 2016.

That said, I still think his value around the League will be depressed (as far as that many millions is a "depressed" salary). Most teams reserve their big paydays for players who fill up the scoring line (even if they do so inefficiently) or play center. There is just not a lot of respect (where $ = respect) for tough, heady Swiss Army knives. And you know fans would revolt if Draymond Green was their big FA signing.

Twinkie you give me hope. Let's hope you are right.

[Kuya]

The only players from the 2012 draft who are/will be better than Draymond Green for the rest of their careers are Anthony Davis, Damian Lillard and Andre Drummond.

We got a #4 pick value with our 3rd pick which was the 35th overall pick.

[californiadude]

The only players from the 2012 draft who are/will be better than Draymond Green for the rest of their careers are Anthony Davis, Damian Lillard and Andre Drummond.

We got a #4 pick value with our 3rd pick which was the 35th overall pick.

wasn't Bradley Beal in that draft???
I mean I get the Green hype but isn't it a little soon to be putting him above Beal a top tier shooter at the weakest position in the nba....when about 2 months ago Green wasn't considered more than a supersub?

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[Twinkie defense]

The only players from the 2012 draft who are/will be better than Draymond Green for the rest of their careers are Anthony Davis, Damian Lillard and Andre Drummond.

We got a #4 pick value with our 3rd pick which was the 35th overall pick.

He seems to get a lot of passes but IDK if Andre Drummond is automatically better for the rest of his career than Draymond Green... I don't think he is better today.

[turk3d]

The only players from the 2012 draft who are/will be better than Draymond Green for the rest of their careers are Anthony Davis, Damian Lillard and Andre Drummond.

We got a #4 pick value with our 3rd pick which was the 35th overall pick.

wasn't Bradley Beal in that draft???
I mean I get the Green hype but isn't it a little soon to be putting him above Beal a top tier shooter at the weakest position in the nba....when about 2 months ago Green wasn't considered more than a supersub?

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No different from saying that we're the top team in the NBA right now, we are and right now, I'd give Dray the nod over Drummond and Wiggins for that matter. Does that mean it will stay that way? Heck no. Neither does our position at #1 guaranteed to stay their right now.

Heck, I'd go as far to say with his defense and versatility Dray's been better than Love up to this point. We can at least enjoy it while it lasts. Dude, I think you should be banned from posting trades for a while (or maybe that's what's giving us and those players you propose trading good luck, On 2nd thought, keep on posting them. ).

[Onus]

The only players from the 2012 draft who are/will be better than Draymond Green for the rest of their careers are Anthony Davis, Damian Lillard and Andre Drummond.

We got a #4 pick value with our 3rd pick which was the 35th overall pick.

He seems to get a lot of passes but IDK if Andre Drummond is automatically better for the rest of his career than Draymond Green... I don't think he is better today.

TBH Drummond wouldn't look good in our offense at all, in Jackson's offense though Drummond would've done just fine and probably be well on his way to becoming DeAndre Jordan.

[likashing]

As a fan, I expect ownership to be willing to pay the tax especially to keep a championship contending team. If it takes fans to buy more of those $20 hot dogs and $15 beers at the stadium (direct revenue to the team vs shared with the league), let me know and I will help out.

[Twinkie defense]

DeAndre Jordan is a beast rebounding, blocking shots, and dunking but I think I prefer Andrew Bogut. Jordan's game is limited in comparison.

[californiadude]

The only players from the 2012 draft who are/will be better than Draymond Green for the rest of their careers are Anthony Davis, Damian Lillard and Andre Drummond.

We got a #4 pick value with our 3rd pick which was the 35th overall pick.

wasn't Bradley Beal in that draft???
I mean I get the Green hype but isn't it a little soon to be putting him above Beal a top tier shooter at the weakest position in the nba....when about 2 months ago Green wasn't considered more than a supersub?

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No different from saying that we're the top team in the NBA right now, we are and right now, I'd give Dray the nod over Drummond and Wiggins for that matter. Does that mean it will stay that way? Heck no. Neither does our position at #1 guaranteed to stay their right now.

Heck, I'd go as far to say with his defense and versatility Dray's been better than Love up to this point. We can at least enjoy it while it lasts. Dude, I think you should be banned from posting trades for a while (or maybe that's what's giving us and those players you propose trading good luck, On 2nd thought, keep on posting them. ).

I'll happily admit I was wrong about Green...mainly when it comes to the shooting numbers (although I recall you didn't think they'd last either).

In regards to trades...I think I'll stop posting them on the Warrior's board because you guys value our guys too much and other players way too little.

I was wrong about Green clearly but I think it's putting the kart way before the horse to say he's better than some of the guys you listed. Maybe he's more valuable to us....in regards to Green's shooting numbers I do think they're being propped up by Curry's P/R game...I expect a slight regression if defenders start keying in on him but so far I've been dead wrong so we'll see.

I've seen multiple guys saying they'd trade Green for Horford (the guy who i realy had in mind when I posted this thread)... or even Ryan Anderson.

I'm just the lucky idiot who posted a thread about it the night before Green had the best night of his career.

[turk3d]

The only players from the 2012 draft who are/will be better than Draymond Green for the rest of their careers are Anthony Davis, Damian Lillard and Andre Drummond.

We got a #4 pick value with our 3rd pick which was the 35th overall pick.

He seems to get a lot of passes but IDK if Andre Drummond is automatically better for the rest of his career than Draymond Green... I don't think he is better today.

TBH Drummond wouldn't look good in our offense at all, in Jackson's offense though Drummond would've done just fine and probably be well on his way to becoming DeAndre Jordan.

Yeah Onus, I think you're right but it's only because Bogut eventually got hurt. I doubt he would have gotten much playing time with us. He wound up in a much better situation in Detroit than he would have wound up here I believe. I don't think that MJ would have used him much and I doubt his confidence level would have got to where it was when he first came into the league. Believe it or not, we might not have made the playoffs that year if we had drafted him and not Barnes, I'd say that there's a pretty good chance that we'd hve made it out of the first round.

[californiadude]

DeAndre Jordan is a beast rebounding, blocking shots, and dunking but I think I prefer Andrew Bogut. Jordan's game is limited in comparison.

Yeah I'd much rather have Bogut especially when I consider Boguts contract

[Onus]

He seems to get a lot of passes but IDK if Andre Drummond is automatically better for the rest of his career than Draymond Green... I don't think he is better today.

TBH Drummond wouldn't look good in our offense at all, in Jackson's offense though Drummond would've done just fine and probably be well on his way to becoming DeAndre Jordan.

Yeah Onus, I think you're right but it's only because Bogut eventually got hurt. I doubt he would have gotten much playing time with us. He wound up in a much better situation in Detroit than he would have wond up here I believe. I don't think that MJ would have used him much and I doubt his confidence level would have got to where it was when he first came into the league. Believe it or not, we might not have made the playoffs that year if we had drafted him and not Barnes, I'd say that there's a pretty good chance that we'd hve made it out of the first round.

You do realize that Festus started 41 games for us that year? Drummond is better than Festus even as a rookie, especially since we didn't ask our centers to do much of anything ...

[turk3d]

TBH Drummond wouldn't look good in our offense at all, in Jackson's offense though Drummond would've done just fine and probably be well on his way to becoming DeAndre Jordan.

Yeah Onus, I think you're right but it's only because Bogut eventually got hurt. I doubt he would have gotten much playing time with us. He wound up in a much better situation in Detroit than he would have wond up here I believe. I don't think that MJ would have used him much and I doubt his confidence level would have got to where it was when he first came into the league. Believe it or not, we might not have made the playoffs that year if we had drafted him and not Barnes, I'd say that there's a pretty good chance that we'd hve made it out of the first round.

You do realize that Festus started 41 games for us that year? Drummond is better than Festus even as a rookie, especially since we didn't ask our centers to do much of anything ...

I realize what you're saying Onus. What I'm saying is that Festus was a lot more mature than Drummond was (23 yeears old compared to just 19) and didn't have the high expectations that Durmmond had and Drummond reportedly had some maturity issues so I think that Festus was better suited for that role when Bogut went down at times.

I just feel that Drummond would have had more difficulty here (especially with our fanbase) and would have been considered a future project and most likely would have taken longer to deveop while we were looking to be making a strong playoff run. I just don't think he would have helped us that much in that regard.

[Onus]

Yeah Onus, I think you're right but it's only because Bogut eventually got hurt. I doubt he would have gotten much playing time with us. He wound up in a much better situation in Detroit than he would have wond up here I believe. I don't think that MJ would have used him much and I doubt his confidence level would have got to where it was when he first came into the league. Believe it or not, we might not have made the playoffs that year if we had drafted him and not Barnes, I'd say that there's a pretty good chance that we'd hve made it out of the first round.

You do realize that Festus started 41 games for us that year? Drummond is better than Festus even as a rookie, especially since we didn't ask our centers to do much of anything ...

I realize what you're saying Onus. What I'm saying is that Festus was a lot more mature than Drummond was (23 yeears old compared to just 19) and didn't have the high expectations that Durmmond had and Drummond reportedly had some maturity issues so I think that Festus was better suited for that role when Bogut went down at times.

I just feel that Drummond would have had more difficulty here (especially with our fanbase) and would have been considered a future project and most likely would have taken longer to deveop while we were looking to be making a strong playoff run. I just don't think he would have helped us that much in that regard.

You're still on this take ...

[turk3d]

You do realize that Festus started 41 games for us that year? Drummond is better than Festus even as a rookie, especially since we didn't ask our centers to do much of anything ...

I realize what you're saying Onus. What I'm saying is that Festus was a lot more mature than Drummond was (23 yeears old compared to just 19) and didn't have the high expectations that Drummond had and Drummond reportedly had some maturity issues so I think that Festus was better suited for that role when Bogut went down at times.

I just feel that Drummond would have had more difficulty here (especially with our fanbase) and would have been considered a future project and most likely would have taken longer to deveop while we were looking to be making a strong playoff run. I just don't think he would have helped us that much in that regard.

You're still on this take ...

Yup. Doesn't mean that someday Drummond might not be HOFer. Never questioned his talent. Just that it might take a while and the fact is that Festus was a plus for us right away. What makes you think that MJ would have handled him right?

[oaktownwarriors87]

I realize what you're saying Onus. What I'm saying is that Festus was a lot more mature than Drummond was (23 yeears old compared to just 19) and didn't have the high expectations that Drummond had and Drummond reportedly had some maturity issues so I think that Festus was better suited for that role when Bogut went down at times.

I just feel that Drummond would have had more difficulty here (especially with our fanbase) and would have been considered a future project and most likely would have taken longer to deveop while we were looking to be making a strong playoff run. I just don't think he would have helped us that much in that regard.

You're still on this take ...

Yup. Doesn't mean that someday Drummond might not be HOFer. Never questioned his talent. Just that it might take a while and the fact is that Festus was a plus for us right away. What makes you think that MJ would have handled him right?

You're right. MJ was a terrible coach with no development skills. I couldn't have said it better myself. MJ sucks.

You're not going to win this argument. Drummond had a PER of 21.6 as a rookie and Festus 9.7. Drummond would have thrived in Festus' role and that's pretty obvious.

[turk3d]

You're still on this take ...

Yup. Doesn't mean that someday Drummond might not be HOFer. Never questioned his talent. Just that it might take a while and the fact is that Festus was a plus for us right away. What makes you think that MJ would have handled him right?

You're right. MJ was a terrible coach with no development skills. I couldn't have said it better myself. MJ sucks.