Nerlens Noel Thread

[freshie2]

Noel between Embiid and K Leonard??

[James40]

Noel between Embiid and K Leonard??

If that means K Leonard coming to Philly I wouldn't count on it. Hinkie's plan seems to be relying on draft picks as long as possible, with roster cuts coming here. Maybe when they are ready to contend they'll spend some money and get some players but not before then, 2017-2018 at the earliest.

[Ericb5]

Noel between Embiid and K Leonard??

If that means K Leonard coming to Philly I wouldn't count on it. Hinkie's plan seems to be relying on draft picks as long as possible, with roster cuts coming here. Maybe when they are ready to contend they'll spend some money and get some players but not before then, 2017-2018 at the earliest.

I don't know how you could say what Hinkie's plan is with regard to free agents yet. He has certainly shown that he isn't going to spend money yet, but next summer he may, and the following summer it is even more likely.

Maybe his free agent plan is similar to Houston's plan that they executed to get Harden. Accumulate assets and then make a move when a free agent star becomes available. harden was traded for, but he was still really a free agent that the original team knew that they couldn't keep. So free agency is really what made him available. They just traded for him a few months early.


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[Skates]

Kawhi simply cannot be had. Offer him the max that we can and the Spurs will happily match since it is less than the max he can get from them. He loves it there, they are basically rebuilding around him starting next year, Kawhi isn't going anywhere. Butler is the slightly more gettable player, and probably then only with a S&T. Bulls are more notoriously thrifty when it comes to the tax threshold. I don't see either as likely, but butler is a much more realistic possibility.

Back to the subject of the thread, not likely Noel will be ROY, but it would be really nice to place both he and KJ on the all rookie team. That would be a very successful developmental season all around, especially considering what other guys are doing for us overseas.

[James40]

Noel between Embiid and K Leonard??

If that means K Leonard coming to Philly I wouldn't count on it. Hinkie's plan seems to be relying on draft picks as long as possible, with roster cuts coming here. Maybe when they are ready to contend they'll spend some money and get some players but not before then, 2017-2018 at the earliest.

I don't know how you could say what Hinkie's plan is with regard to free agents yet. He has certainly shown that he isn't going to spend money yet, but next summer he may, and the following summer it is even more likely.

Maybe his free agent plan is similar to Houston's plan that they executed to get Harden. Accumulate assets and then make a move when a free agent star becomes available. harden was traded for, but he was still really a free agent that the original team knew that they couldn't keep. So free agency is really what made him available. They just traded for him a few months early.

I should of said 2016-2017, the plan so far has been to put the least talented team on the court as possible, I can't see him spending any money until Hikie sees how his draft picks pan out. IMHO. I haven't seen a willingness to bring good players in, much less sign and trade guys like Kirelenko, or the guy from the Bulls last year a lot of people thought Hinkie might go after. I'm not criticizing his plan but thats how it's been going so far.

Carlos Boozer it was.
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[Ericb5]

Kawhi simply cannot be had. Offer him the max that we can and the Spurs will happily match since it is less than the max he can get from them. He loves it there, they are basically rebuilding around him starting next year, Kawhi isn't going anywhere. Butler is the slightly more gettable player, and probably then only with a S&T. Bulls are more notoriously thrifty when it comes to the tax threshold. I don't see either as likely, but butler is a much more realistic possibility.

Back to the subject of the thread, not likely Noel will be ROY, but it would be really nice to place both he and KJ on the all rookie team. That would be a very successful developmental season all around, especially considering what other guys are doing for us overseas.

If Noel and McDaniels both made the all rookie team it would be awesome. They are probably already on that pace.

[MRxBLACK]

I feel like Noel's hands and touch around the rim have been much better than at the start of the season. He's starting to get comfortable. His shooting percentages have skyrocketed too:

First 9 games: 41% FGs, 33% FTs
Last 9 games: 53% FGs, 55% FTs

[ankle420breaker]

I feel like Noel's hands and touch around the rim have been much better than at the start of the season. He's starting to get comfortable. His shooting percentages have skyrocketed too:

First 9 games: 41% FGs, 33% FTs
Last 9 games: 53% FGs, 55% FTs

Really? I agree that he's starting to lose the deer in headlights look and play more comfortably, but just last night he had two drops and failed to catch a spoon-fed oop from MCW. Experience will help to a degree, but his hands are still very much a concern in my opinion.

[MRxBLACK]

Really? I agree that he's starting to lose the deer in headlights look and play more comfortably, but just last night he had two drops and failed to catch a spoon-fed oop from MCW. Experience will help to a degree, but his hands are still very much a concern in my opinion.

Those first few games the ball was bouncing off him like he was a brick wall. Probably the worst I have ever seen. I have noticed improvement from then for sure. I agree it's still a concern.

[XDevilBoiX]

Put him in front of a football throwing machine in the offseason to soften those hands up.

[Ericb5]

I feel like Noel's hands and touch around the rim have been much better than at the start of the season. He's starting to get comfortable. His shooting percentages have skyrocketed too:

First 9 games: 41% FGs, 33% FTs
Last 9 games: 53% FGs, 55% FTs

Really? I agree that he's starting to lose the deer in headlights look and play more comfortably, but just last night he had two drops and failed to catch a spoon-fed oop from MCW. Experience will help to a degree, but his hands are still very much a concern in my opinion.

I don't think that he has great hands, but he doesn't have bad hands either. Jahlil Okafor or Chris Webber are examples of supreme hands, and Tyrone Hill is an example of horrible hands.

Noel is somewhere in between.

He will probably always be prone to fumbling passes unless he really concentrates. I think part of his problem is still that the game is moving to quickly for him. He has improved, but until he can be comfortable with the speed of the game he is probably going to fumble more than we want.

Also, he doesn't really have any strong post moves so I think that he is too reliant on his speed to score which means that he is likely to be too fast sometimes.

When he is next to Embiid he will have more space to operate too.


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[Agnostifarian]

20 game in and I expected more from Noel at this point. I suspect his block numbers are low due to him trying not to foul. Reasonable. However, the offensive efficiency is awful. He looks nervous with the ball in his hands. He rushes his shots. He rarely gets easy buckets. He turns the ball over too much and he complains to the refs like they should show him some respect. Other than that, I'm thrilled with his game right now.

It's only 20 games but Noel's ceiling may end up being a solid defensive bench player. Other than his hype and our collective hopes, his play has given no reason for us not to draft another big man next June if that's the BPA.

BTW, there is no reason for Noel to be shuffling his way down the court on offense like he's Roy Hibbert! If that is a Brett Brown coaching directive, change it. Noel should be beating his man down court on every possession. It's not like he has the excuse that he's pulling down defensive boards and starting the break. Apparently, I have been expecting way too much from Noel. (Does he really have a little shrine to KG in his locker?)

I'm not sure if Noel is the best rookie on the team let alone the league.

[Unbreakable99]

20 game in and I expected more from Noel at this point. I suspect his block numbers are low due to him trying not to foul. Reasonable. However, the offensive efficiency is awful. He looks nervous with the ball in his hands. He rushes his shots. He rarely gets easy buckets. He turns the ball over too much and he complains to the refs like they should show him some respect. Other than that, I'm thrilled with his game right now.

It's only 20 games but Noel's ceiling may end up being a solid defensive bench player. Other than his hype and our collective hopes, his play has given no reason for us not to draft another big man next June if that's the BPA.

BTW, there is no reason for Noel to be shuffling his way down the court on offense like he's Roy Hibbert! If that is a Brett Brown coaching directive, change it. Noel should be beating his man down court on every possession. It's not like he has the excuse that he's pulling down defensive boards and starting the break. Apparently, I have been expecting way too much from Noel. (Does he really have a little shrine to KG in his locker?)

I'm not sure if Noel is the best rookie on the team let alone the league.

All fair points but I must ask if you saw him play at Kentucky? What did you expect his offense to look like? His offense was horrible there. I don't know why many people expected him to be pretty good on offense right now. Offensively he is right about what I expected. He couldn't shoot or score much at Kentucky. At least his form is better. He looks better offensively than he was at Kentucky but still light years away from being efficient. I have said this before but Noel is never going to be a good offensive player. People need to get that out of their head. It's not happening. He should be able to be a very good defensive player. He needs to gain weight.

They completely changed his ugly form he shot with his entire life. Do you know how difficult it is to change? He's not going to look good overnight. People thought a year of working on his form would be like magic. One year is nothing. That's not a long time to perfect your shot when you work from scratch. It's difficult even if you don't change your form. Noel probably won't have a somewhat dependable 10-15 foot shot for at least 4 years if ever. It takes a lot of practice and hard work.

[Agnostifarian]

20 game in and I expected more from Noel at this point. I suspect his block numbers are low due to him trying not to foul. Reasonable. However, the offensive efficiency is awful. He looks nervous with the ball in his hands. He rushes his shots. He rarely gets easy buckets. He turns the ball over too much and he complains to the refs like they should show him some respect. Other than that, I'm thrilled with his game right now.

It's only 20 games but Noel's ceiling may end up being a solid defensive bench player. Other than his hype and our collective hopes, his play has given no reason for us not to draft another big man next June if that's the BPA.

BTW, there is no reason for Noel to be shuffling his way down the court on offense like he's Roy Hibbert! If that is a Brett Brown coaching directive, change it. Noel should be beating his man down court on every possession. It's not like he has the excuse that he's pulling down defensive boards and starting the break. Apparently, I have been expecting way too much from Noel. (Does he really have a little shrine to KG in his locker?)

I'm not sure if Noel is the best rookie on the team let alone the league.

All fair points but I must ask if you saw him play at Kentucky? What did you expect his offense to look like? His offense was horrible there. I don't know why many people expected him to be pretty good on offense right now. Offensively he is right about what I expected. He couldn't shoot or score much at Kentucky. At least his form is better. He looks better offensively than he was at Kentucky but still light years away from being efficient. I have said this before but Noel is never going to be a good offensive player. People need to get that out of their head. It's not happening. He should be able to be a very good defensive player. He needs to gain weight.

They completely changed his ugly form he shot with his entire life. Do you know how difficult it is to change? He's not going to look good overnight. People thought a year of working on his form would be like magic. One year is nothing. That's not a long time to perfect your shot when you work from scratch. It's difficult even if you don't change your form. Noel probably won't have a somewhat dependable 10-15 foot shot for at least 4 years if ever. It takes a lot of practice and hard work.

I saw Noel's shortcomings in a small sample of his 24 Kentucky games but he was 18 and I expected more development by now. Some guys just can't develop ball skills. Noel has shown enough that we won't be building a dynasty around him. He has a lot of warts.

[Eyeamok]

20 game in and I expected more from Noel at this point. I suspect his block numbers are low due to him trying not to foul. Reasonable. However, the offensive efficiency is awful. He looks nervous with the ball in his hands. He rushes his shots. He rarely gets easy buckets. He turns the ball over too much and he complains to the refs like they should show him some respect. Other than that, I'm thrilled with his game right now.

It's only 20 games but Noel's ceiling may end up being a solid defensive bench player. Other than his hype and our collective hopes, his play has given no reason for us not to draft another big man next June if that's the BPA.

BTW, there is no reason for Noel to be shuffling his way down the court on offense like he's Roy Hibbert! If that is a Brett Brown coaching directive, change it. Noel should be beating his man down court on every possession. It's not like he has the excuse that he's pulling down defensive boards and starting the break. Apparently, I have been expecting way too much from Noel. (Does he really have a little shrine to KG in his locker?)

I'm not sure if Noel is the best rookie on the team let alone the league.

All fair points but I must ask if you saw him play at Kentucky? What did you expect his offense to look like? His offense was horrible there. I don't know why many people expected him to be pretty good on offense right now. Offensively he is right about what I expected. He couldn't shoot or score much at Kentucky. At least his form is better. He looks better offensively than he was at Kentucky but still light years away from being efficient. I have said this before but Noel is never going to be a good offensive player. People need to get that out of their head. It's not happening. He should be able to be a very good defensive player. He needs to gain weight.

They completely changed his ugly form he shot with his entire life. Do you know how difficult it is to change? He's not going to look good overnight. People thought a year of working on his form would be like magic. One year is nothing. That's not a long time to perfect your shot when you work from scratch. It's difficult even if you don't change your form. Noel probably won't have a somewhat dependable 10-15 foot shot for at least 4 years if ever. It takes a lot of practice and hard work.

I saw Noel's shortcomings in a small sample of his 24 Kentucky games but he was 18 and I expected more development by now. Some guys just can't develop ball skills. Noel has shown enough that we won't be building a dynasty around him. He has a lot of warts.

I don't think there is enough information to form a solid opinion of what Noel will and won't be. It is just too early in the process. It's one thing if the guy was a slacker and not willing or could not improve his game. But that does not seem to be the case here. He is learning and going through his high and lows of growing into a professional basketball player as a rookie. Noel has one skill set now, defense that will only get better with time. This guy is a diamond in the rough that will only get better. I base this on watching him play, yes he is awkward at times and his offense needs a lot of work. But when you watch opposing players altering and rushing their shots because he is in the game. When you see alley oops not working. I have to say to myself it's just like walking. If a kid was told just forget it don't walk after they fall 500 times, people would say no are you crazy. He will get it. I feel the same way about Noel....he will get it given time. And right now this team has nothing but time.

[James40]

He shot 59% in college which is down to the mid 40's now, plus even his ft% is down. There was no way he was going to be close to his rebounds and blocks in college to the pro's so that drop off was expected, but he's had 5-6 games this year offensively and defensively that he looked completely lost and I blame that on BB.

I don't like this whole thing where the Sixers watch the first 1/3 or 1/2 of season, then decide who fits where and that is what Noel looks like he's doing, either he isn't listening to the coach or the coach isn't coaching him. He's never going to have great hands in the same way no coach could teach McNabb to throw the ball with some touch, that is what it is, but he's better than what he's shown so far this year.

A lot of players had bad nights last night so I would just chalk it up to that, but you don't want to see Noel play like that ever again.

The Sixers are bad, but they are so differently bad night in and night out is my concern, KJ has a few good games and then he looks horrible a game later.

[Ericb5]

20 game in and I expected more from Noel at this point. I suspect his block numbers are low due to him trying not to foul. Reasonable. However, the offensive efficiency is awful. He looks nervous with the ball in his hands. He rushes his shots. He rarely gets easy buckets. He turns the ball over too much and he complains to the refs like they should show him some respect. Other than that, I'm thrilled with his game right now.

It's only 20 games but Noel's ceiling may end up being a solid defensive bench player. Other than his hype and our collective hopes, his play has given no reason for us not to draft another big man next June if that's the BPA.

BTW, there is no reason for Noel to be shuffling his way down the court on offense like he's Roy Hibbert! If that is a Brett Brown coaching directive, change it. Noel should be beating his man down court on every possession. It's not like he has the excuse that he's pulling down defensive boards and starting the break. Apparently, I have been expecting way too much from Noel. (Does he really have a little shrine to KG in his locker?)

I'm not sure if Noel is the best rookie on the team let alone the league.

All fair points but I must ask if you saw him play at Kentucky? What did you expect his offense to look like? His offense was horrible there. I don't know why many people expected him to be pretty good on offense right now. Offensively he is right about what I expected. He couldn't shoot or score much at Kentucky. At least his form is better. He looks better offensively than he was at Kentucky but still light years away from being efficient. I have said this before but Noel is never going to be a good offensive player. People need to get that out of their head. It's not happening. He should be able to be a very good defensive player. He needs to gain weight.

They completely changed his ugly form he shot with his entire life. Do you know how difficult it is to change? He's not going to look good overnight. People thought a year of working on his form would be like magic. One year is nothing. That's not a long time to perfect your shot when you work from scratch. It's difficult even if you don't change your form. Noel probably won't have a somewhat dependable 10-15 foot shot for at least 4 years if ever. It takes a lot of practice and hard work.

I saw Noel's shortcomings in a small sample of his 24 Kentucky games but he was 18 and I expected more development by now. Some guys just can't develop ball skills. Noel has shown enough that we won't be building a dynasty around him. He has a lot of warts.

He is not the type of guy that you build a team around obviously, but nobody thought that. He is basically the equivalent to a college sophomore right now in terms of experience. You can't expect the difference between him at 18 and him at 20 to be noticeable considering the injury and layoff that he had.

He is raw so he will not necessarily have a linear learning curve. He will have stretches of games where he looks really bad and stretches of games where he looks really good. His last game was obviously a bad one.

Let's give him a full year playing next to Embiid before we make determinations about how good he can be. He is overmatched physically right now and doesn't have enough experience to work around that and still be productive all of the time. In my opinion, his season so far has been about what I expected.

I expected more blocks, but I understand why he isn't currently getting them. When he goes for them he often makes the play.

I want to seem him be a much better player in April than he was in November. Outside of that, I am fine with him struggling as he has done recently.


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[FreesFro]

All fair points but I must ask if you saw him play at Kentucky? What did you expect his offense to look like? His offense was horrible there. I don't know why many people expected him to be pretty good on offense right now. Offensively he is right about what I expected. He couldn't shoot or score much at Kentucky. At least his form is better. He looks better offensively than he was at Kentucky but still light years away from being efficient. I have said this before but Noel is never going to be a good offensive player. People need to get that out of their head. It's not happening. He should be able to be a very good defensive player. He needs to gain weight.

They completely changed his ugly form he shot with his entire life. Do you know how difficult it is to change? He's not going to look good overnight. People thought a year of working on his form would be like magic. One year is nothing. That's not a long time to perfect your shot when you work from scratch. It's difficult even if you don't change your form. Noel probably won't have a somewhat dependable 10-15 foot shot for at least 4 years if ever. It takes a lot of practice and hard work.

I saw Noel's shortcomings in a small sample of his 24 Kentucky games but he was 18 and I expected more development by now. Some guys just can't develop ball skills. Noel has shown enough that we won't be building a dynasty around him. He has a lot of warts.

He is not the type of guy that you build a team around obviously, but nobody thought that. He is basically the equivalent to a college sophomore right now in terms of experience. You can't expect the difference between him at 18 and him at 20 to be noticeable considering the injury and layoff that he had.

He is raw so he will not necessarily have a linear learning curve. He will have stretches of games where he looks really bad and stretches of games where he looks really good. His last game was obviously a bad one.

Let's give him a full year playing next to Embiid before we make determinations about how good he can be. He is overmatched physically right now and doesn't have enough experience to work around that and still be productive all of the time. In my opinion, his season so far has been about what I expected.

I expected more blocks, but I understand why he isn't currently getting them. When he goes for them he often makes the play.

I want to seem him be a much better player in April than he was in November. Outside of that, I am fine with him struggling as he has done recently.


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At least someone gets it. People seem to be clueless as to what Nerlens is at this point and how he should be playing. Great post.

Seriously guys with his lack of experience and injury history what did you expect? He's as raw as you can be. This is a marathon with him, years. Those of you expecting immediate results are out of touch.

And with all that being said he still leads all rookies in rebounds and steals, 2nd in blocks, 3rd in FG% and 6th in points. PATIENCE!

[Unbreakable99]

20 game in and I expected more from Noel at this point. I suspect his block numbers are low due to him trying not to foul. Reasonable. However, the offensive efficiency is awful. He looks nervous with the ball in his hands. He rushes his shots. He rarely gets easy buckets. He turns the ball over too much and he complains to the refs like they should show him some respect. Other than that, I'm thrilled with his game right now.

It's only 20 games but Noel's ceiling may end up being a solid defensive bench player. Other than his hype and our collective hopes, his play has given no reason for us not to draft another big man next June if that's the BPA.

BTW, there is no reason for Noel to be shuffling his way down the court on offense like he's Roy Hibbert! If that is a Brett Brown coaching directive, change it. Noel should be beating his man down court on every possession. It's not like he has the excuse that he's pulling down defensive boards and starting the break. Apparently, I have been expecting way too much from Noel. (Does he really have a little shrine to KG in his locker?)

I'm not sure if Noel is the best rookie on the team let alone the league.

All fair points but I must ask if you saw him play at Kentucky? What did you expect his offense to look like? His offense was horrible there. I don't know why many people expected him to be pretty good on offense right now. Offensively he is right about what I expected. He couldn't shoot or score much at Kentucky. At least his form is better. He looks better offensively than he was at Kentucky but still light years away from being efficient. I have said this before but Noel is never going to be a good offensive player. People need to get that out of their head. It's not happening. He should be able to be a very good defensive player. He needs to gain weight.

They completely changed his ugly form he shot with his entire life. Do you know how difficult it is to change? He's not going to look good overnight. People thought a year of working on his form would be like magic. One year is nothing. That's not a long time to perfect your shot when you work from scratch. It's difficult even if you don't change your form. Noel probably won't have a somewhat dependable 10-15 foot shot for at least 4 years if ever. It takes a lot of practice and hard work.

I saw Noel's shortcomings in a small sample of his 24 Kentucky games but he was 18 and I expected more development by now. Some guys just can't develop ball skills. Noel has shown enough that we won't be building a dynasty around him. He has a lot of warts.

Who thought Noel is the kind of guy you build a dynasty around? He was never that. Did you really think he was a guy you build a team around? That's a first. Just think of Noel as like another type of Ben Wallace type player where you expect good defense but don't count on points. You seem to have had too high of expectations of Noel. Embiid is the guy you build a dynasty around.

[James40]

I saw Noel's shortcomings in a small sample of his 24 Kentucky games but he was 18 and I expected more development by now. Some guys just can't develop ball skills. Noel has shown enough that we won't be building a dynasty around him. He has a lot of warts.

He is not the type of guy that you build a team around obviously, but nobody thought that. He is basically the equivalent to a college sophomore right now in terms of experience. You can't expect the difference between him at 18 and him at 20 to be noticeable considering the injury and layoff that he had.

He is raw so he will not necessarily have a linear learning curve. He will have stretches of games where he looks really bad and stretches of games where he looks really good. His last game was obviously a bad one.

Let's give him a full year playing next to Embiid before we make determinations about how good he can be. He is overmatched physically right now and doesn't have enough experience to work around that and still be productive all of the time. In my opinion, his season so far has been about what I expected.

I expected more blocks, but I understand why he isn't currently getting them. When he goes for them he often makes the play.

I want to seem him be a much better player in April than he was in November. Outside of that, I am fine with him struggling as he has done recently.


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At least someone gets it. People seem to be clueless as to what Nerlens is at this point and how he should be playing. Great post.

Seriously guys with his lack of experience and injury history what did you expect? He's as raw as you can be. This is a marathon with him, years. Those of you expecting immediate results are out of touch.

And with all that being said he still leads all rookies in rebounds and steals, 2nd in blocks, 3rd in FG% and 6th in points. PATIENCE!

Out of touch to a point, you could tell last night when MCW went through a crowd for dunk that he was frustrated with the team and Noel. Noel has to dunk when he is around the rim and draw contact, it's not like he just picked up a basketball last week. When he's down in the paint, dunk, or get benched. He didn't want contact last night for whatever reason that was obvious to anyone, so maybe his callous injury is bothering him more than he let on.

One horrible game doesn't mean anything though, especially when you consider he may have never played on a team with this kind of brutal talent, vs the other teams talent.