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Post#441 » by AussieBuck » Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:19 pm

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ampd wrote:I'd definitely call the Lakers about Ed Davis and the Magic about Mo Harkless.

I haven't seen much of Davis but it does look like there's a bit to work with, Harkless I'm less keen on as he still doesn't look like he's going to get a jumper.


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The Magic are 7-12 on the season and still finding their way, but it seems clear that forward Maurice Harkless and big man Andrew Nicholson are not going to play a big role for the team, which has some teams sniffing around about their availability.

Harkless clearly is the bigger trade asset, however sources close to the Magic say Harkless is one of GM Rob Hennigan’s favorite guys. He is not getting consistent playing time, though, and seems to be in head coach Jacque Vaughn’s doghouse. Harkless has said he’s trying to make the best of the situation, but it is clear that if the Magic are not going to play him that moving him becomes almost inevitable.

Like Harkless, Nicholson has been marginalized with the emergence of other players and he too sits more than he plays, prompting teams to inquire about his availability in trade.

The Magic at some point are going to need to decide what to do with their excess pieces, and as teams start making offers, the Magic might find a deal worth doing.
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I think Harkless and Nicholson would be ideal replacements for Dudley and Ersan if we are able to move them elsewhere. Of course the Magic may hold on to Harkless as Tobes insurance. Davis still looks like a SF out there playing Center and relying on his quickness.

I do remember him having a hot streak but he hasn't carried it on although I guess that could be partly because he isn't getting any game rhythm.
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Post#442 » by machu46 » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:27 pm

For what it's worth Re: Stephenson, I'm not sure how much he could have ruined everything in Indiana considering they reportedly have been trying to re-acquire him.
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Post#443 » by Buckrageous » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:40 pm

Lance Stephenson? That would be a terrible move.

I was always of the belief that whoever paid LS lost the the summer. Apparently it took Charlotte 6 weeks to come to the same conclusion. Im kind of surprised people are actually advocating that the Bucks relieve the Hornets of their problem. The Bucks have been seemingly successful in part because of a positive work atmosphere where everyone (Nate excluded) plays and reportedly gets along. The young guys are showing progress as hoped. I cant see any reason to mess with that by bringin in a guy who has problems everywhere. He has issues in HS, college, and NBA. He has these issues off the court, on the court, and in the locker room. And while hes a good player hes not elite. It just seems like there is a terrible risk reward ratio that comes with Stephenson.
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Post#444 » by machu46 » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:42 pm

Buckrageous wrote:Lance Stephenson? That would be a terrible move.

I was always of the belief that whoever paid LS lost the the summer. Apparently it took Charlotte 6 weeks to come to the same conclusion. Im kind of surprised people are actually advocating that the Bucks relieve the Hornets of their problem. The Bucks have been seemingly successful in part because of a positive work atmosphere where everyone (Nate excluded) plays and reportedly gets along. The young guys are showing progress as hoped. I cant see any reason to mess with that by bringin in a guy who has problems everywhere. He has issues in HS, college, and NBA. He has these issues off the court, on the court, and in the locker room. And while hes a good player hes not elite. It just seems like there is a terrible risk reward ratio that comes with Stephenson.


I'm not saying we should definitely acquire him. I'm simply making the point that we should be looking into it. The talent with him is undeniable and he's both young and on a cheap contract. It's up to the front office to decide whether or not his personality would destroy the team chemistry, but if they decided that he wouldn't hurt the chemistry, he's a great buy-low candidate.
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Post#445 » by Buckrageous » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:59 pm

^ and i wasnt specifically referencing your post. Actually started writing it before yours was even up, got a phone call, then posted it after yours.

That said im firmly in the no LS camp. Hes a good player (wanted him out of Cinci) but in my mind the negative potential is greater than the positive potential.
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Post#446 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:25 pm

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AussieBuck wrote:He's a bit too on ball and not a convincing shooter. I'd give it a shot if he wasn't a terrible person.


you think he created imbalance in indy? were a similar situation moving forward imo..... if you like the giannis/Jabari to George/west with a pg knight/ hill that arent huge facilitators comparison?

and terrible person? why are you willing to keep giving larry a shot if that's an issue for you? larrys way more volatile and a bigger risk attitude wise.

Larry didn't throw a girl down stairs. He handles a lot and isn't a real perimeter threat. He turns it over more than Knight too. Indy had a rubbish offense last season and now the Hornets do too. I don't want to emulate either team in that regard.


his drunk girlfriend and her ho friends come back from partying at 5 am in the morning and she supposedly got "thrown down the stairs".... but then it gets reduced to nothing. maybe because it was nothing?

since then we haven't heard bo peep about him except for blowing in lebrons ear and stuff like that. I consider the jury still open about whether hes evil or not. he seems a lot like the kobe type except his teammates are ok with him... but that's just me :dontknow:
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Post#447 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:29 pm

machu46 wrote:For what it's worth Re: Stephenson, I'm not sure how much he could have ruined everything in Indiana considering they reportedly have been trying to re-acquire him.


exactly... or charlotte for that matter. the issue has been his play and whether you want it or not. off the court issues haven't been a problem since literally before he set foot in the nba. volatile and competitive? yes. cancerous? I don't see that.
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Post#448 » by Badgerlander » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:32 pm

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2014/st ... -questions

Q: Roy Hibbert's line about a lot of selfish people in that locker room brought the team's turmoil to the forefront. What's that about?
A: Hibbert didn't come out and identify the player directly to NBA.com's David Aldridge, but he was talking about Lance Stephenson on March 28 after a loss in Washington, when he said "there's some selfish dudes" in the locker room.

Stephenson was putting together a strong season for the Pacers, racking up triple-doubles and maturing into their second-best talent behind Paul George. But Stephenson felt jilted when the Eastern Conference coaches did not vote him onto the All-Star team in February. He doesn't always appreciate the ramifications of his actions; his recent attempt to "get inside LeBron James' head" with trash talk during the conference finals is a classic example.

After Stephenson missed out on the All-Star team, he changed. He started a bit of a personal vendetta against East coaches, wanting to personally send a message in those games, which took him further out of the flow on some nights, sources said. Overall, the team noticed a shift in Stephenson from a more team-oriented approach to a more self-oriented focus, where he started obsessing about his statistics. People within the team believed his upcoming free agency was also a motivating factor for Stephenson, who wanted to enhance his value, something he believed suffered when he didn't get an All-Star nod.

As a result, Stephenson started annoying his teammates at both ends. Not only did he start dominating the ball more -- his assist rate dropped dramatically in the second half of the season -- but he was robbing numbers from his teammates. He has always had a habit of so-called "stealing rebounds," jumping in front of or over a teammate who had an uncontested rebound to get it for himself. This phenomenon reached a new level in the back half of the regular season. Hibbert, who had his rebound totals heavily analyzed by the media and fans, was often a victim in these friendly-fire rebounds.

Stephenson's act had long worn thin by late March. When the players had meetings to address issues with the sudden struggles, Stephenson sometimes wasn't involved. Occasionally he appeared to be unaware they were even happening. Most players on the team, now that they were losing, shared similar feelings about Stephenson, but did not vocalize their problems publicly.


Q: Lance Stephenson has been both wonderful and evidently selfish -- is it correct he has been a destabilizing force?
A: Stephenson has become one of the most polarizing players in the league and certainly on his own team. The Pacers have nurtured him for four years and constructed an entire support system aimed at nourishing him and controlling him, from hands-on daily encouragement and review from president Larry Bird all the way to the public relations staff trying their best to keep him from putting his foot in his mouth.

In the past two seasons, Stephenson has blossomed as a player, but he's also more comfortable taking liberties and risks. This has pushed the bounds with the players and coaches.

Putting it in Indianapolis terms, Stephenson is like a race car. The performance can be incredible and awe-inspiring. But he requires constant maintenance by the entire operation, and losing focus for one second can lead to various levels of disaster. This, naturally, can and has grown tiresome.

In the past three years, all of the Pacers' core players -- Hill, Hibbert, West, George -- have been signed to long-term deals. Now it is Stephenson's turn. Bird has always supported him. He stuck his neck out to draft him despite Stephenson's checkered past and red flags. Despite Stephenson's tantalizing talents, sources said there are many in the organization who don't think it's a good decision to give him a rich, long-term contract, given the way he has acted during the season.
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Post#449 » by Dimitraa » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:42 pm

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machu46 wrote:For what it's worth Re: Stephenson, I'm not sure how much he could have ruined everything in Indiana considering they reportedly have been trying to re-acquire him.


exactly... or charlotte for that matter. the issue has been his play and whether you want it or not. off the court issues haven't been a problem since literally before he set foot in the nba. volatile and competitive? yes. cancerous? I don't see that.


Indiana wants also a first round pick back.Without it no deal.Also a team like Charlotte who has trouble attracting free agents to try to unload him in just 3 months should be a huge red flag.
I rather we bring coachable young guys even if they are not as sexy names as Lance than potentially lockeroom disasters.Besides you just know if Stephenson starts playing better as soon as his contract ends he will just bolt for Brooklyn.Definitely not a part of a potential core which should be our goal right now.Get prospects and picks to form a core to stay in Milwaukee.Not mercenaries egoistic players who will try to jump to the bigger markets.
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Post#450 » by Badgerlander » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:44 pm

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/ ... freeagents
2014 free agents on the move
Stephenson, Monroe among five newly signed players that need to be traded
K.J. McDaniels | Philadelphia 76ers
Signed: One year, $507,336 (non guaranteed)
I wrote about McDaniels' creative contract during the preseason, pointing out that by accepting the tender offer of one year for minimum salary, he avoided being locked into Philadelphia's spartan contracts that keeps players in long-term deals, with little guarantee of salary beyond the first year. It was a gamble for McDaniels, who at worst would get waived and try to catch on somewhere else. Instead, he's lived up to his predraft expectations as an athletic wing defender, and exceeded it (so far) by showing long-range accuracy.

He'll be a restricted free agent at season's end, so why should Philly deal him? For one, he represents an asset that could be flipped for more value (in the form of future picks) from a team desperate for some help on the wings. More importantly, it would appear that McDaniels does not want to be part of the Sixers program moving forward. Getting lowballed in his first negotiation with Philly did not start the relationship on the best foot, and we know from several tweets that his mother is not a fan of Philly's approach. Rather than hold onto a disgruntled employee, Philly could strike while the iron is hot.
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Post#451 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:47 pm

DocHoliday wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/10995309/indiana-pacers-burning-questions

Q: Roy Hibbert's line about a lot of selfish people in that locker room brought the team's turmoil to the forefront. What's that about?
A: Hibbert didn't come out and identify the player directly to NBA.com's David Aldridge, but he was talking about Lance Stephenson on March 28 after a loss in Washington, when he said "there's some selfish dudes" in the locker room.

Stephenson was putting together a strong season for the Pacers, racking up triple-doubles and maturing into their second-best talent behind Paul George. But Stephenson felt jilted when the Eastern Conference coaches did not vote him onto the All-Star team in February. He doesn't always appreciate the ramifications of his actions; his recent attempt to "get inside LeBron James' head" with trash talk during the conference finals is a classic example.

After Stephenson missed out on the All-Star team, he changed. He started a bit of a personal vendetta against East coaches, wanting to personally send a message in those games, which took him further out of the flow on some nights, sources said. Overall, the team noticed a shift in Stephenson from a more team-oriented approach to a more self-oriented focus, where he started obsessing about his statistics. People within the team believed his upcoming free agency was also a motivating factor for Stephenson, who wanted to enhance his value, something he believed suffered when he didn't get an All-Star nod.

As a result, Stephenson started annoying his teammates at both ends. Not only did he start dominating the ball more -- his assist rate dropped dramatically in the second half of the season -- but he was robbing numbers from his teammates. He has always had a habit of so-called "stealing rebounds," jumping in front of or over a teammate who had an uncontested rebound to get it for himself. This phenomenon reached a new level in the back half of the regular season. Hibbert, who had his rebound totals heavily analyzed by the media and fans, was often a victim in these friendly-fire rebounds.

Stephenson's act had long worn thin by late March. When the players had meetings to address issues with the sudden struggles, Stephenson sometimes wasn't involved. Occasionally he appeared to be unaware they were even happening. Most players on the team, now that they were losing, shared similar feelings about Stephenson, but did not vocalize their problems publicly.


Q: Lance Stephenson has been both wonderful and evidently selfish -- is it correct he has been a destabilizing force?
A: Stephenson has become one of the most polarizing players in the league and certainly on his own team. The Pacers have nurtured him for four years and constructed an entire support system aimed at nourishing him and controlling him, from hands-on daily encouragement and review from president Larry Bird all the way to the public relations staff trying their best to keep him from putting his foot in his mouth.

In the past two seasons, Stephenson has blossomed as a player, but he's also more comfortable taking liberties and risks. This has pushed the bounds with the players and coaches.

Putting it in Indianapolis terms, Stephenson is like a race car. The performance can be incredible and awe-inspiring. But he requires constant maintenance by the entire operation, and losing focus for one second can lead to various levels of disaster. This, naturally, can and has grown tiresome.

In the past three years, all of the Pacers' core players -- Hill, Hibbert, West, George -- have been signed to long-term deals. Now it is Stephenson's turn. Bird has always supported him. He stuck his neck out to draft him despite Stephenson's checkered past and red flags. Despite Stephenson's tantalizing talents, sources said there are many in the organization who don't think it's a good decision to give him a rich, long-term contract, given the way he has acted during the season.


blah blah blah expose blah.

omg it was a contract year. look at what the guy was making before and then ask yourself if that was a big deal that he maybe was thinking about a contract.... especially with George completely forgetting how to shoot and score. the guy has basically been on the minimum for 3 years while also becoming a borderline allstar. count me willing to forgive him considering what he accomplished.

also completely not interested in roy hibberts schoolgirl drama about lance stealing his rebounds in a season he completely sucks and has the spotlight on him.

indy offered him a 5 year deal then.....and wants him back now. damn near the whole team was on record wanting him back. end of story imo.
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Post#452 » by machu46 » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:47 pm

DocHoliday wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/10995309/indiana-pacers-burning-questions

Q: Roy Hibbert's line about a lot of selfish people in that locker room brought the team's turmoil to the forefront. What's that about?
A: Hibbert didn't come out and identify the player directly to NBA.com's David Aldridge, but he was talking about Lance Stephenson on March 28 after a loss in Washington, when he said "there's some selfish dudes" in the locker room.

Stephenson was putting together a strong season for the Pacers, racking up triple-doubles and maturing into their second-best talent behind Paul George. But Stephenson felt jilted when the Eastern Conference coaches did not vote him onto the All-Star team in February. He doesn't always appreciate the ramifications of his actions; his recent attempt to "get inside LeBron James' head" with trash talk during the conference finals is a classic example.

After Stephenson missed out on the All-Star team, he changed. He started a bit of a personal vendetta against East coaches, wanting to personally send a message in those games, which took him further out of the flow on some nights, sources said. Overall, the team noticed a shift in Stephenson from a more team-oriented approach to a more self-oriented focus, where he started obsessing about his statistics. People within the team believed his upcoming free agency was also a motivating factor for Stephenson, who wanted to enhance his value, something he believed suffered when he didn't get an All-Star nod.

As a result, Stephenson started annoying his teammates at both ends. Not only did he start dominating the ball more -- his assist rate dropped dramatically in the second half of the season -- but he was robbing numbers from his teammates. He has always had a habit of so-called "stealing rebounds," jumping in front of or over a teammate who had an uncontested rebound to get it for himself. This phenomenon reached a new level in the back half of the regular season. Hibbert, who had his rebound totals heavily analyzed by the media and fans, was often a victim in these friendly-fire rebounds.

Stephenson's act had long worn thin by late March. When the players had meetings to address issues with the sudden struggles, Stephenson sometimes wasn't involved. Occasionally he appeared to be unaware they were even happening. Most players on the team, now that they were losing, shared similar feelings about Stephenson, but did not vocalize their problems publicly.


Q: Lance Stephenson has been both wonderful and evidently selfish -- is it correct he has been a destabilizing force?
A: Stephenson has become one of the most polarizing players in the league and certainly on his own team. The Pacers have nurtured him for four years and constructed an entire support system aimed at nourishing him and controlling him, from hands-on daily encouragement and review from president Larry Bird all the way to the public relations staff trying their best to keep him from putting his foot in his mouth.

In the past two seasons, Stephenson has blossomed as a player, but he's also more comfortable taking liberties and risks. This has pushed the bounds with the players and coaches.

Putting it in Indianapolis terms, Stephenson is like a race car. The performance can be incredible and awe-inspiring. But he requires constant maintenance by the entire operation, and losing focus for one second can lead to various levels of disaster. This, naturally, can and has grown tiresome.

In the past three years, all of the Pacers' core players -- Hill, Hibbert, West, George -- have been signed to long-term deals. Now it is Stephenson's turn. Bird has always supported him. He stuck his neck out to draft him despite Stephenson's checkered past and red flags. Despite Stephenson's tantalizing talents, sources said there are many in the organization who don't think it's a good decision to give him a rich, long-term contract, given the way he has acted during the season.


I agree with almost all of that, but I'm pretty positive that everyone believed it was Evan Turner that was the problem on last year's team. Everyone pointed out that the Pacers were like the best team in the NBA until they traded Granger for Turner and suddenly their chemistry was out of wack and everyone was fighting. Supposedly Turner got into fights with multiple teammates, etc.

I don't doubt that one of the players Hibbert was referring to in the "We have some selfish dudes on this team" was Stephenson, but he said dudes, not 1 dude. I think everyone acknowledged that Lance, Turner, and Paul George all became very selfish down the stretch last year for the Pacers.

But again, the fact that the Pacers are supposedly very interested in bringing him back seems to indicate that the issues with him weren't as bad as the media has made them out to be.
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Post#453 » by Ron Swanson » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:49 pm

Can't believe there are people that still think a Stephenson trade is a good idea.

The guy is alpha dog delusional and I can count the coaches that I'd trust to "rehabilitate" him on one hand (Pop, Phil Jackson). I'd rather bring Ron Artest back from China and give him 20 minutes a game.

Lance Stephenson is locker room poison. Stay.......the ****......away.
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Post#454 » by machu46 » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:53 pm

DocHoliday wrote:http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12031554/lance-stephenson-newly-signed-free-agents-move-nba?ex_cid=InsiderTwitter_elhassan_tradefive2014freeagents
2014 free agents on the move
Stephenson, Monroe among five newly signed players that need to be traded
K.J. McDaniels | Philadelphia 76ers
Signed: One year, $507,336 (non guaranteed)
I wrote about McDaniels' creative contract during the preseason, pointing out that by accepting the tender offer of one year for minimum salary, he avoided being locked into Philadelphia's spartan contracts that keeps players in long-term deals, with little guarantee of salary beyond the first year. It was a gamble for McDaniels, who at worst would get waived and try to catch on somewhere else. Instead, he's lived up to his predraft expectations as an athletic wing defender, and exceeded it (so far) by showing long-range accuracy.

He'll be a restricted free agent at season's end, so why should Philly deal him? For one, he represents an asset that could be flipped for more value (in the form of future picks) from a team desperate for some help on the wings. More importantly, it would appear that McDaniels does not want to be part of the Sixers program moving forward. Getting lowballed in his first negotiation with Philly did not start the relationship on the best foot, and we know from several tweets that his mother is not a fan of Philly's approach. Rather than hold onto a disgruntled employee, Philly could strike while the iron is hot.


I'm curious to see how he develops, but I don't want to be the team that gives up assets for McDaniels.
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Post#455 » by Dimitraa » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:00 pm

DocHoliday wrote:http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12031554/lance-stephenson-newly-signed-free-agents-move-nba?ex_cid=InsiderTwitter_elhassan_tradefive2014freeagents
2014 free agents on the move
Stephenson, Monroe among five newly signed players that need to be traded
K.J. McDaniels | Philadelphia 76ers
Signed: One year, $507,336 (non guaranteed)
I wrote about McDaniels' creative contract during the preseason, pointing out that by accepting the tender offer of one year for minimum salary, he avoided being locked into Philadelphia's spartan contracts that keeps players in long-term deals, with little guarantee of salary beyond the first year. It was a gamble for McDaniels, who at worst would get waived and try to catch on somewhere else. Instead, he's lived up to his predraft expectations as an athletic wing defender, and exceeded it (so far) by showing long-range accuracy.

He'll be a restricted free agent at season's end, so why should Philly deal him? For one, he represents an asset that could be flipped for more value (in the form of future picks) from a team desperate for some help on the wings. More importantly, it would appear that McDaniels does not want to be part of the Sixers program moving forward. Getting lowballed in his first negotiation with Philly did not start the relationship on the best foot, and we know from several tweets that his mother is not a fan of Philly's approach. Rather than hold onto a disgruntled employee, Philly could strike while the iron is hot.


I don't have insider but from the little I know Monroe has to approve any trade and he will be signing his bird rights away.So he probably will veto any trade.I could be wrong though.
Also Philly should keep McDaniels because as a second year player the contract he can be offered is still very reasonable and if they decide to flip him it should be next year or the year after when/if he has raised even more his value.By then with Embiid Saric and their new pick they can also win much more and he could be much more open to stay there.
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Post#456 » by M-C-G » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:01 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Can't believe there are people that still think a Stephenson trade is a good idea.

The guy is alpha dog delusional and I can count the coaches that I'd trust to "rehabilitate" him on one hand (Pop, Phil Jackson). I'd rather bring Ron Artest back from China and give him 20 minutes a game.

Lance Stephenson is locker room poison. Stay.......the ****......away.


I find myself agreeing with you too much today. After years of having a toxic locker room, we have ideal chemistry. I get everyone wants to go back and make the Zach Randolph deal, but for every guy that turns it around, there are 10 that never do.

We all saw the negative impact Steven Jackson had on this organization. I see Lance in a very similar mold, good player, but delusional about their own ability and can sink a ship without even noticing they just drove it into the iceberg.
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Post#457 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:01 pm

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machu46 wrote:For what it's worth Re: Stephenson, I'm not sure how much he could have ruined everything in Indiana considering they reportedly have been trying to re-acquire him.


exactly... or charlotte for that matter. the issue has been his play and whether you want it or not. off the court issues haven't been a problem since literally before he set foot in the nba. volatile and competitive? yes. cancerous? I don't see that.


Indiana wants also a first round pick back.Without it no deal.Also a team like Charlotte who has trouble attracting free agents to try to unload him in just 3 months should be a huge red flag.
I rather we bring coachable young guys even if they are not as sexy names as Lance than potentially lockeroom disasters.Besides you just know if Stephenson starts playing better as soon as his contract ends he will just bolt for Brooklyn.Definitely not a part of a potential core which should be our goal right now.Get prospects and picks to form a core to stay in Milwaukee.Not mercenaries egoistic players who will try to jump to the bigger markets.


understand I am not advocating giving up any young asset for him... we would give back matching "dead" money. this is a flyer on a guy, who if he worked, could be a huge asset. I like the idea of seeing if kidd could maintain him and finding out FOR OURSELVES what his issues might be. I just don't see the risk. if he sucks we send him home and try to find another team to assume his deal and I think there would be.

the idea of upsetting team chemistry concerns me but this is a risk/reward situation. hes young, talented, and I don't want to be sitting here 2 or 3 years from now talking about another Zach Randolph that could have been here but we passed because he didn't go to church enough
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Post#458 » by Ron Swanson » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:04 pm

machu46 wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12031554/lance-stephenson-newly-signed-free-agents-move-nba?ex_cid=InsiderTwitter_elhassan_tradefive2014freeagents
2014 free agents on the move
Stephenson, Monroe among five newly signed players that need to be traded
K.J. McDaniels | Philadelphia 76ers
Signed: One year, $507,336 (non guaranteed)
I wrote about McDaniels' creative contract during the preseason, pointing out that by accepting the tender offer of one year for minimum salary, he avoided being locked into Philadelphia's spartan contracts that keeps players in long-term deals, with little guarantee of salary beyond the first year. It was a gamble for McDaniels, who at worst would get waived and try to catch on somewhere else. Instead, he's lived up to his predraft expectations as an athletic wing defender, and exceeded it (so far) by showing long-range accuracy.

He'll be a restricted free agent at season's end, so why should Philly deal him? For one, he represents an asset that could be flipped for more value (in the form of future picks) from a team desperate for some help on the wings. More importantly, it would appear that McDaniels does not want to be part of the Sixers program moving forward. Getting lowballed in his first negotiation with Philly did not start the relationship on the best foot, and we know from several tweets that his mother is not a fan of Philly's approach. Rather than hold onto a disgruntled employee, Philly could strike while the iron is hot.


I'm curious to see how he develops, but I don't want to be the team that gives up assets for McDaniels.


I wouldn't give up assets or give him a big contract in the off-season, but that's pretty much only because he plays a position where we don't have an immediate need.

I have no idea why Philly would just dump him for some minimal assets or not re-sign him when they have so much cap room though. You just spent a high 2nd round pick on the guy and it looks like you've found a gem, yet you're already looking to sell him off for scraps just to make your team even worse?
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Post#459 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:06 pm

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We all saw the negative impact Steven Jackson had on this organization. I see Lance in a very similar mold, good player, but delusional about their own ability and can sink a ship without even noticing they just drove it into the iceberg.


different players, different stages of their careers... lance is sjax at age 24. not the version we had. so if youre saying a YOUNG sjax isn't a player youd be interested in? then fine.
im saying being offered a young sjax for free maybe I could get on board with considering we don't know FOR A FACT that he turns into the old sjax or even has the same career arc.
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Post#460 » by M-C-G » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:08 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
We all saw the negative impact Steven Jackson had on this organization. I see Lance in a very similar mold, good player, but delusional about their own ability and can sink a ship without even noticing they just drove it into the iceberg.


different players, different stages of their careers... lance is sjax at age 24. not the version we had. so if youre saying a YOUNG sjax isn't a player youd be interested in? then fine.
im saying being offered a young sjax for free maybe I could get on board with considering we don't know FOR A FACT that he turns into the old sjax or even has the same career arc.


No point in getting into a debate over this one, as I get where your logic is coming from. Doesn't change the fact that he is entirely too much risk for my liking.

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