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Re: Heat assign Napier and whiteside to d league 

Post#101 » by DefenseWins » Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:47 pm

gom wrote:I cannot see how Whiteside an Napier could have helped us against Chicago. I think the decision to send them to the D-League to get minutes was correct. From what I saw Shabazz Napier peaked at the end of November and we've been seeing a steady descent. Some time in the D-League is justified. As for Hassan Whiteside, I thought moving him to the D-League was less justified, but if Andersen, Hamilton, & Haslem are playing, I don't think he'll get a lot of time. There is no harm in sending him to the D-League to build his form.

I think Ennis would also profit by a stint in Sioux Falls.



Napier is another play maker on this team, did playing Cole 39 minutes do anything? No.

JHam is a guy who cannot get a lot of minutes, he is injury prone and just like that he is questionable for tomorrow...

Hassan and Napier sure could have helped not in the win, but putting less stress on the team. We had 10 available guys and Spo played all of them... Why do that to yourself
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Re: Heat assign Napier and whiteside to d league 

Post#102 » by gom » Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:57 pm

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gom wrote:I cannot see how Whiteside an Napier could have helped us against Chicago. I think the decision to send them to the D-League to get minutes was correct. From what I saw Shabazz Napier peaked at the end of November and we've been seeing a steady descent. Some time in the D-League is justified. As for Hassan Whiteside, I thought moving him to the D-League was less justified, but if Andersen, Hamilton, & Haslem are playing, I don't think he'll get a lot of time. There is no harm in sending him to the D-League to build his form.

I think Ennis would also profit by a stint in Sioux Falls.



Napier is another play maker on this team, did playing Cole 39 minutes do anything? No.

JHam is a guy who cannot get a lot of minutes, he is injury prone and just like that he is questionable for tomorrow...

Hassan and Napier sure could have helped not in the win, but putting less stress on the team. We had 10 available guys and Spo played all of them... Why do that to yourself


Cole was very active in the defense during the first two quarters. When we say that he didn't "do anything" it's important to look at the whole game. We broke down against Chicago because we repeated the same mistakes as before - we let them go off on us with 3 pointers in the 3rd and 4th quarter. We allowed this to happen because we got lazy and overconfident. That's not only on Cole. I actually blame Wade more than Cole, because his responsibility is greater with Bosh out. I am no fan of Cole, but I don't hold him to blame for the loss.

Also, I see Granger as evolving. I'm not ready to say that it isn't going to work out. He also played some good defense during the game. His shooting is awful though and his drives are anemic. I think he improves both aspects of his game but it will torture us in the meantime.

I'd love to be proven wrong, by the way. I'd love to see Shabazz and Whiteside come back and put in great numbers and win us some games. I am a firm believer in their talent (Ennis's too) but for me, they Shabazz, Ennis and Dawkins don't look ready. I haven't seen Whiteside enough (& I've liked what I've seen).

Anyway, hope is the last thing that dies. I still hope we can finish eighth and McRoberts should be back by then. NBA teams always say the injury is season ending so they can get another player.
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Re: Heat assign Napier and whiteside to d league 

Post#103 » by RexBoyWonder » Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:59 pm

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gom wrote:I cannot see how Whiteside an Napier could have helped us against Chicago. I think the decision to send them to the D-League to get minutes was correct. From what I saw Shabazz Napier peaked at the end of November and we've been seeing a steady descent. Some time in the D-League is justified. As for Hassan Whiteside, I thought moving him to the D-League was less justified, but if Andersen, Hamilton, & Haslem are playing, I don't think he'll get a lot of time. There is no harm in sending him to the D-League to build his form.

I think Ennis would also profit by a stint in Sioux Falls.



Napier is another play maker on this team, did playing Cole 39 minutes do anything? No.

JHam is a guy who cannot get a lot of minutes, he is injury prone and just like that he is questionable for tomorrow...

Hassan and Napier sure could have helped not in the win, but putting less stress on the team. We had 10 available guys and Spo played all of them... Why do that to yourself


Cole was very active in the defense during the first two quarters. When we say that he didn't "do anything" it's important to look at the whole game. We broke down against Chicago because we repeated the same mistakes as before - we let them go off on us with 3 pointers in the 3rd and 4th quarter. We allowed this to happen because we got lazy and overconfident. That's not only on Cole. I actually blame Wade more than Cole, because his responsibility is greater with Bosh out. I am no fan of Cole, but I don't hold him to blame for the loss.

Also, I see Granger as evolving. I'm not ready to say that it isn't going to work out. He also played some good defense during the game. His shooting is awful though and his drives are anemic. I think he improves both aspects of his game but it will torture us in the meantime.

I'd love to be proven wrong, by the way. I'd love to see Shabazz and Whiteside come back and put in great numbers and win us some games. I am a firm believer in their talent (Ennis's too) but for me, they Shabazz, Ennis and Dawkins don't look ready. I haven't seen Whiteside enough (& I've liked what I've seen).

Anyway, hope is the last thing that dies. I still hope we can finish eighth and McRoberts should be back by then. NBA teams always say the injury is season ending so they can get another player.


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Re: Heat assign Napier and whiteside to d league 

Post#104 » by gom » Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:01 pm

He's been worse. All I'm saying is give him time until you pull the plug.
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Re: Heat assign Napier and whiteside to d league 

Post#105 » by DefenseWins » Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:23 pm

gom wrote:He's been worse. All I'm saying is give him time until you pull the plug.




Well of course these rooks not ready, they don't get chances. Cole was good defensively but we still got blown out by 25 points at one point. What he does is empty for this team. Now they day he shut down Bledsoe was great but this team should still trade him because he is not worth more than 2mil and Heat will be forced to fork over more money for him, which I don't think he is worth.

Cole is a good back up and defensive specialist, the way this team is starting this team is constructed is to be complimentary pieces and we don't have him. Granger was brought on to be a small role player similar to Battier (but less good lol) next to Lebron. We need players who create and make an impact and there is still time if they are aggressive on both sides

As for Granget evolving, I think you mean improving. This dude was a franchise All Star and got tossed aside for Paul George and became their UD til he got traded. Granger can still help I do think if he keeps improving, but him taking away minutes from our future in Ennis doesn't help this franchise.

Ennis has tools to work with, these guys just need the opportunity and to be put in a position by the coaching staff to succeed
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Re: Heat assign Napier and whiteside to d league 

Post#106 » by RexBoyWonder » Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:37 pm

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gom wrote:He's been worse. All I'm saying is give him time until you pull the plug.




Well of course these rooks not ready, they don't get chances. Cole was good defensively but we still got blown out by 25 points at one point. What he does is empty for this team. Now they day he shut down Bledsoe was great but this team should still trade him because he is not worth more than 2mil and Heat will be forced to fork over more money for him, which I don't think he is worth.

Cole is a good back up and defensive specialist, the way this team is starting this team is constructed is to be complimentary pieces and we don't have him. Granger was brought on to be a small role player similar to Battier (but less good lol) next to Lebron. We need players who create and make an impact and there is still time if they are aggressive on both sides

As for Granget evolving, I think you mean improving. This dude was a franchise All Star and got tossed aside for Paul George and became their UD til he got traded. Granger can still help I do think if he keeps improving, but him taking away minutes from our future in Ennis doesn't help this franchise.

Ennis has tools to work with, these guys just need the opportunity and to be put in a position by the coaching staff to succeed


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Re: Heat assign Napier and whiteside to d league 

Post#107 » by gom » Tue Dec 16, 2014 3:42 am

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gom wrote:He's been worse. All I'm saying is give him time until you pull the plug.




Well of course these rooks not ready, they don't get chances. Cole was good defensively but we still got blown out by 25 points at one point. What he does is empty for this team. Now they day he shut down Bledsoe was great but this team should still trade him because he is not worth more than 2mil and Heat will be forced to fork over more money for him, which I don't think he is worth.

Cole is a good back up and defensive specialist, the way this team is starting this team is constructed is to be complimentary pieces and we don't have him. Granger was brought on to be a small role player similar to Battier (but less good lol) next to Lebron. We need players who create and make an impact and there is still time if they are aggressive on both sides

As for Granget evolving, I think you mean improving. This dude was a franchise All Star and got tossed aside for Paul George and became their UD til he got traded. Granger can still help I do think if he keeps improving, but him taking away minutes from our future in Ennis doesn't help this franchise.

Ennis has tools to work with, these guys just need the opportunity and to be put in a position by the coaching staff to succeed


There were a couple points in the last game (the crap game) where Danny Granger looked like he used to be. One was the steal which was a gutsy play. The other was a drive to the basket that had a cut and a swerve and even elevation. I had to check if he was still wearing a Heat uniform.

I think in a couple weeks we will know whether he is there or not. The timetable was January.
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Re: Heat assign Napier and whiteside to d league 

Post#108 » by SlowPaced » Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:19 pm

Napier in D-League? The guy should START ffs
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Re: Heat assign Napier and whiteside to d league 

Post#109 » by Wolfy1983 » Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:38 pm

How about assigning Colemers to the D-League, Riles? This is ridiculous!
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Re: Heat assign Napier and whiteside to d league 

Post#110 » by Axel » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:19 am

gom wrote:
DefenseWins wrote:
gom wrote:He's been worse. All I'm saying is give him time until you pull the plug.




Well of course these rooks not ready, they don't get chances. Cole was good defensively but we still got blown out by 25 points at one point. What he does is empty for this team. Now they day he shut down Bledsoe was great but this team should still trade him because he is not worth more than 2mil and Heat will be forced to fork over more money for him, which I don't think he is worth.

Cole is a good back up and defensive specialist, the way this team is starting this team is constructed is to be complimentary pieces and we don't have him. Granger was brought on to be a small role player similar to Battier (but less good lol) next to Lebron. We need players who create and make an impact and there is still time if they are aggressive on both sides

As for Granget evolving, I think you mean improving. This dude was a franchise All Star and got tossed aside for Paul George and became their UD til he got traded. Granger can still help I do think if he keeps improving, but him taking away minutes from our future in Ennis doesn't help this franchise.

Ennis has tools to work with, these guys just need the opportunity and to be put in a position by the coaching staff to succeed


There were a couple points in the last game (the crap game) where Danny Granger looked like he used to be. One was the steal which was a gutsy play. The other was a drive to the basket that had a cut and a swerve and even elevation. I had to check if he was still wearing a Heat uniform.

I think in a couple weeks we will know whether he is there or not. The timetable was January.


I agree with you about Granger improving. Hopefully he can be packaged away in a trade to a contender after we showcase his ability. I don't see him having a future with this team long term for the same reasons DefenseWins mentioned: ie: he takes minutes away from Ennis, and would have more value to a team that is presently contending.
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Re: Heat assign Napier and whiteside to d league 

Post#111 » by gom » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:25 am

I think if Ennis were showing great ability he would be playing and I hope we will be a contender when all is over.

If Granger is able to put up good numbers and Ennis isn't, Granger should play.

Granger is in the hotel room tonight, so he isn't taking minutes from Ennis.
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