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Re: Woj: Hornets Willing To Acquire Johnson/Lopez for Lance 

Post#81 » by 3pt_chucker » Tue Dec 16, 2014 3:36 am

Not sure how I feel about Lance but at least it'd make me excited if we got him.
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Re: Woj: Hornets Willing To Acquire Johnson/Lopez for Lance 

Post#82 » by kerry kittles » Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:00 am

F3LON wrote:Lance Stephenson is Ron Artest on defensive with Jamal Mashburn's pre-knee injury offense.


No, just no. Ron Artest was DPOY. Lance is not at that level. You're getting carried away.
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Re: Woj: Hornets Willing To Acquire Johnson/Lopez for Lance 

Post#83 » by DarkXaero » Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:46 am

lmao at the overrating of Lance Stephenson going on in this thread. Don't get me wrong, I'm open to the idea of us trading for him, but some of you are overrating the **** out of him. We aren't trading for a franchise caliber all star player here. He's a serious headcase who is just as likely to implode here in Brooklyn, as playing well here. He's having an awful season in Charlotte, teams are cautious in making offers without getting picks in return and he has a history of being a major locker room cancer. Calm the **** down.
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Re: Woj: Hornets Willing To Acquire Johnson/Lopez for Lance 

Post#84 » by F3LON » Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:12 am

DarkXaero wrote:lmao at the overrating of Lance Stephenson going on in this thread. Don't get me wrong, I'm open to the idea of us trading for him, but some of you are overrating the **** out of him. We aren't trading for a franchise caliber all star player here. He's a serious headcase who is just as likely to implode here in Brooklyn, as playing well here. He's having an awful season in Charlotte, teams are cautious in making offers without getting picks in return and he has a history of being a major locker room cancer. Calm the **** down.


Lance was a major part on the Pacers first half dominance last year. He has shown he can be a difference making defender.

He isnt a franchise player but he is definitely an All-star. The only other SGs in the East I would rather have going forward are Beal and Jimmy Butler.

Getting him for damaged goods, Lopez, would be a huge steal. Of course it comes with risk. Detroit took a risk with Sheed and it worked out well. Toronto and Sactown decided to keep their head cases, Lowry and Cousins, and that's working just fine. This is the type of calculated risk worth taking. At worst it is a salary dump. At best we control Lance for 3 seasons.
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Re: Woj: Hornets Willing To Acquire Johnson/Lopez for Lance 

Post#85 » by Paradise » Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:17 am

DarkXaero wrote:lmao at the overrating of Lance Stephenson going on in this thread. Don't get me wrong, I'm open to the idea of us trading for him, but some of you are overrating the **** out of him. We aren't trading for a franchise caliber all star player here. He's a serious headcase who is just as likely to implode here in Brooklyn, as playing well here. He's having an awful season in Charlotte, teams are cautious in making offers without getting picks in return and he has a history of being a major locker room cancer. Calm the **** down.

And these are the same teams that regret passing on Cousins and regret not acquiring Lowry. Difference is with all those other teams is the fact we actually have a coach with experience handling rough personalities like Randolph and Tony Allen and a vet in KG that controls the locker room that also has experience handling guys like him.

Stephenson is obviously not a franchise caliber player and shouldn't be used as one but he has all-star caliber talent. For a boring team like us with no internal growth, exciting talent and probably never getting draft picks for Brook, this is the best you can get.
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Re: Woj: Hornets Willing To Acquire Johnson/Lopez for Lance 

Post#86 » by MGrand15 » Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:07 am

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NyCeEvO wrote:Do you know what his contested rebound rate is?


This season:

Contested Rebounds: 18.2%
Uncontested Rebounds: 81.8%

Last season:

Contested Rebounds: 24.6%
Uncontested Rebounds: 75.5%

In comparison, Joe is averaging 24% in contested rebounds and 75% in uncontested rebounds.


Does it count as contested if he's fighting with his own teammates for the rebound Reggie Evans style?
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Re: Woj: Hornets Willing To Acquire Johnson/Lopez for Lance 

Post#87 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Dec 16, 2014 3:05 pm

F3LON wrote:Lance Stephenson is Ron Artest on defensive with Jamal Mashburn's pre-knee injury offense.


Whoa.

I want Lance in a Nets uni as bad as you do but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Mashburn was a legit scorer during his career, Lance has yet to even average near 18 a game, Mashburn was dropping 20+ in his sleep
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Re: Woj: Hornets Willing To Acquire Johnson/Lopez for Lance 

Post#88 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Dec 16, 2014 3:07 pm

DarkXaero wrote:lmao at the overrating of Lance Stephenson going on in this thread. Don't get me wrong, I'm open to the idea of us trading for him, but some of you are overrating the **** out of him. We aren't trading for a franchise caliber all star player here. He's a serious headcase who is just as likely to implode here in Brooklyn, as playing well here. He's having an awful season in Charlotte, teams are cautious in making offers without getting picks in return and he has a history of being a major locker room cancer. Calm the **** down.


I'm tired of the headcase talk. We passed on dudes that would have us in legit contention because of that garbage.

I want people who can play, PERIOD. Cousins, Lowry, Lance, those dudes are young and they play balls to the wall. i'd rather deal with Hollins having to cuss Lance out every now and then instead of watching the players we have not give a **** when we lose. I'm tired of Lopez, tired of Johnson, and even though he is trying hard this year, I'm tired of D-Will.

Give me young players who we can build upon and be proud of when they play hard win or lose. I'm tired of cheering for pussies
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Re: Woj: Hornets Willing To Acquire Johnson/Lopez for Lance 

Post#89 » by MGrand15 » Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:13 pm

I find the Lopez for Lance + small pieces to be too good to be true. Lopez isn't really a fit for CHA with Big Al. Lopez has foot issues. Very similar flaws to Al Jefferson. Yet we're supposedly the ones making Charlotte include a pick?

If we can trade Lopez for a young guy on a bargain contract, you do it AS fast as possible. I'm not a fan of trading Lopez for nothing but trading him for Lance? That's beyond a no-brainer.

Lance would give us a 2/3 defender, a ball handler that can lead the 2nd unit, and a dynamic overall guard who plays really hard every night. Last year, he played All Star caliber ball. Definitely the type of athleticism, energy and youth we've been missing.
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Re: Woj: Hornets Willing To Acquire Johnson/Lopez for Lance 

Post#90 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:28 pm

MGrand15 wrote:I find the Lopez for Lance + small pieces to be too good to be true. Lopez isn't really a fit for CHA with Big Al. Lopez has foot issues. Very similar flaws to Al Jefferson. Yet we're supposedly the ones making Charlotte include a pick?

If we can trade Lopez for a young guy on a bargain contract, you do it AS fast as possible. I'm not a fan of trading Lopez for nothing but trading him for Lance? That's beyond a no-brainer.

Lance would give us a 2/3 defender, a ball handler that can lead the 2nd unit, and a dynamic overall guard who plays really hard every night. Last year, he played All Star caliber ball. Definitely the type of athleticism, energy and youth we've been missing.


It amazes me how King trips over himself for bad deals, but a no brainer he has to "think about it".
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Re: Woj: Hornets Willing To Acquire Johnson/Lopez for Lance 

Post#91 » by CalamityX12 » Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:33 pm

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Re: Woj: Hornets Willing To Acquire Johnson/Lopez for Lance 

Post#92 » by F3LON » Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:56 pm

Every hour that goes by and this deal doesnt get completed is making me angry.

The same sht happened last year with Lowry. We could have had him before he turned the season around. If we would have made that trade then a division rival wouldnt be that good and we would have been able to dump DWill already.

Lance has only played in 20 games this year. Shooting numbers fluctuate a lot on small sample sizes. Rebounding and Assists dont as much and Lance is a rebounding stud with good passing numbers. 7 Rebounds and 5 Assists at SG is sick production. I can even see his assist numbers going up significantly when you compare the Hornets poor shooter to ours.

Kemba Walker 29.6% 3pt
Deron Williams 40.2% 3pt

Gerald Henderson 29% 3pt
Joe Johnson 38.2% 3pt

Marvin Williams 37.3% 3pt
Mirza Teletovic 33.7% 3pt

Lance will thrive on the Nets because of our shooters. He will have a lot more room to operate. The talent around him is why I think he is playing poorly. Hell even the Pacers from last year didnt surround him with the snipers we have on this roster. All we need is Lance to be the match. His dribble penetration will light the fire in our perimeter shooters.
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Re: Woj: Hornets Willing To Acquire Johnson/Lopez for Lance 

Post#93 » by JoseRizal » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:22 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/544942840095457281[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/544943994904772609[/tweet]

It seems we're one of the more active teams. I just wonder if a deal would materialize this week...
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Re: Woj: Hornets Willing To Acquire Johnson/Lopez for Lance 

Post#94 » by CalamityX12 » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:53 pm

I hope something happens... A deal is made or we're out of the running cuz I dont want this sh*t lingering for too long
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Re: Woj: Hornets Willing To Acquire Johnson/Lopez for Lance 

Post#95 » by Prokorov » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:58 pm

I'd love lance but honestly any deal shipping out lopez would make me happy. We need a move, and he is the most obvious candidate
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Re: Woj: Hornets Willing To Acquire Johnson/Lopez for Lance 

Post#96 » by Keith Van Horn » Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:48 pm

Game night, against a team who is much better than the hornets and sixers. Let's see if no lopez again is a good thing for our offense.


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Re: Woj: Hornets Willing To Acquire Johnson/Lopez for Lance 

Post#97 » by jeff1624 » Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:13 pm

macgyver893 wrote:Game night, against a team who is much better than the hornets and sixers. Let's see if no lopez again is a good thing for our offense.


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Not really, Miami is really mediocre team and they have their two best players out. We should win this one easily.
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Re: Woj: Hornets Willing To Acquire Johnson/Lopez for Lance 

Post#98 » by MGrand15 » Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:19 am

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macgyver893 wrote:Game night, against a team who is much better than the hornets and sixers. Let's see if no lopez again is a good thing for our offense.


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Not really, Miami is really mediocre team and they have their two best players out. We should win this one easily.


Still a much better team than the Hornets or Sixers :lol:

I think the Lopez for Lance thing is too good to be true. The Nets have to be the one that floated it out there, not the other way around. Don't think King would hesitate for a second on that deal. I for one, will be actively rooting against the Hornets until the trade deadline. If they keep collapsing, it'll force them into a panic move.
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Re: Woj: Hornets Willing To Acquire Johnson/Lopez for Lance 

Post#99 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:24 am

F3LON wrote:Every hour that goes by and this deal doesnt get completed is making me angry.

The same sht happened last year with Lowry. We could have had him before he turned the season around. If we would have made that trade then a division rival wouldnt be that good and we would have been able to dump DWill already.

Lance has only played in 20 games this year. Shooting numbers fluctuate a lot on small sample sizes. Rebounding and Assists dont as much and Lance is a rebounding stud with good passing numbers. 7 Rebounds and 5 Assists at SG is sick production. I can even see his assist numbers going up significantly when you compare the Hornets poor shooter to ours.

Kemba Walker 29.6% 3pt
Deron Williams 40.2% 3pt

Gerald Henderson 29% 3pt
Joe Johnson 38.2% 3pt

Marvin Williams 37.3% 3pt
Mirza Teletovic 33.7% 3pt

Lance will thrive on the Nets because of our shooters. He will have a lot more room to operate. The talent around him is why I think he is playing poorly. Hell even the Pacers from last year didnt surround him with the snipers we have on this roster. All we need is Lance to be the match. His dribble penetration will light the fire in our perimeter shooters.


I'm with you. This guy is the wing player that the Nets need.
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Re: Woj: Hornets Willing To Acquire Johnson/Lopez for Lance 

Post#100 » by NyCeEvO » Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:16 am

MGrand15 wrote:
jeff1624 wrote:
macgyver893 wrote:Game night, against a team who is much better than the hornets and sixers. Let's see if no lopez again is a good thing for our offense.


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Not really, Miami is really mediocre team and they have their two best players out. We should win this one easily.


Still a much better team than the Hornets or Sixers :lol:

I think the Lopez for Lance thing is too good to be true. The Nets have to be the one that floated it out there, not the other way around. Don't think King would hesitate for a second on that deal. I for one, will be actively rooting against the Hornets until the trade deadline. If they keep collapsing, it'll force them into a panic move.

King has always had a mancrush on Lopez. I wouldn't be surprised if he's the one taking his time.

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