Is Wall Top 5 PG?

20MexicanosIn1Van · Post #281 » by **20MexicanosIn1Van** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:18 am

Nivek wrote:I love Wall, but I don't see him as an MVP candidate yet.

He doesn't have a serious chance to win it, but if the season ended today he'd have to finish in the 5th-7th range. To me that's flirting with being able to call yourself an "MVP Candidate".

tontoz · Post #282 » by **tontoz** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:33 am

nate33 wrote:
Shanghai Kid wrote:Anybody know what John Wall's PER has been in Dec? He's had to have been at an elite level this month.

December PER is 22.6. Does not include Minny game.

His December ORtg is a rock solid 109.5.

Wall has played well in December but for perspective here is the ORTG of some other players on the season;

Curry 120
Lillard 117
Conley 118
Teague 113
Lowry 119
Paul 127

Hypnotizer · Post #283 » by **Hypnotizer** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:19 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/NBATV/status/545030486502801408[/tweet]

dlts20 · Post #284 » by **dlts20** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:44 am

tontoz wrote:
nate33 wrote:
Shanghai Kid wrote:Anybody know what John Wall's PER has been in Dec? He's had to have been at an elite level this month.

December PER is 22.6. Does not include Minny game.

His December ORtg is a rock solid 109.5.

Wall has played well in December but for perspective here is the ORTG of some other players on the season;

Curry 120
Lillard 117
Conley 118
Teague 113
Lowry 119
Paul 127

but wall blows them all off the charts defensively

dangermouse · Post #285 » by **dangermouse** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:11 am

Hypnotizer wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/NBATV/status/545030486502801408[/tweet]

Wtf Isiah doing Wall dirty

Kyrie should be lower and Rose shouldnt even be on it. And i dont see Parker as first, thats for Steph Curry right now.

dangermouse · Post #286 » by **dangermouse** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:15 am

I dont think he'll get a look-in for MVP

But how about DPOY? He would have to be in the conversation. His defense has gone to a whole new level, and it was already pretty damn good.

Any advanced stats guys in the house? Whats his defensive rating?

It would be great for a guard to win it again.

hands11 · Post #287 » by **hands11** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:16 am

dangermouse wrote:
Hypnotizer wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/NBATV/status/545030486502801408[/tweet]

Wtf Isiah doing Wall dirty

Kyrie should be lower and Rose shouldnt even be on it. And i dont see Parker as first, thats for Steph Curry right now.

Isiah doesnt seem as plugged in to whats going on as Greg is.

hands11 · Post #288 » by **hands11** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:19 am

dangermouse wrote:I dont think he'll get a look-in for MVP

But how about DPOY? He would have to be in the conversation. His defense has gone to a whole new level, and it was already pretty damn good.

Any advanced stats guys in the house? Whats his defensive rating?

It would be great for a guard to win it again.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ljo01.html

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_ ... position/1

deneem4 · Post #289 » by **deneem4** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:51 am

wall needs a couple 30 pt games to average 20...
if he gets that and averages
20/10 while being top3 in steals
the award is his unless Westbrook keeps his play up
durant goes back into god mode
or the pelicans make the playoffs
lebron wont get it this year because irving has been playing exceptional

stevemcqueen1 · Post #290 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:43 pm

dangermouse wrote:I dont think he'll get a look-in for MVP

But how about DPOY? He would have to be in the conversation. His defense has gone to a whole new level, and it was already pretty damn good.

Any advanced stats guys in the house? Whats his defensive rating?

It would be great for a guard to win it again.

He has a better chance of winning MVP than DPOY. Andrew Bogut has completely run away with the DPOY award so far. And there is no clear front runner for MVP.

Right now, if Wall keeps up his pace over this first quarter of the season and the Wizards get close to 60 wins and finish as the one or two seed, he will finish well in MVP voting. He wouldn't beat out Steph Curry for the award, but he'd finish top 5 in the voting.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #291 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:59 pm

Anthony Davis will get votes but he has zero chance of winning MVP. The award only goes to the leaders of one and two seeds.

The last time an MVP went to a player from a team that didn't finish as a one or two seed was Michael Jordan in '87-'88. That was the greatest individual season by a perimeter player in league history. And Chicago finished as the three seed.

If the Wizards remain the two seed, Wall has a much better chance at winning MVP than Davis.

mohammed10 · Post #292 » by **mohammed10** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:19 pm

dangermouse wrote:
Hypnotizer wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/NBATV/status/545030486502801408[/tweet]

Wtf Isiah doing Wall dirty

Kyrie should be lower and Rose shouldnt even be on it. And i dont see Parker as first, thats for Steph Curry right now.

Just goes to show you Zeke is NOT a good evaluator of talent anymore...

stevemcqueen1 · Post #293 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:44 pm

Westbrook has been sensational in the 11 games he's been back. But that's still less than half the minutes Curry, Paul, and Wall have played.

He doesn't deserve to be ranked ahead of them so far this season.

Higga · Post #294 » by **Higga** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:47 pm

Durability matters. I don't care if you're the best player of all time if you're playing half the time.

Zeke is a joke.

Nivek · Post #295 » by **Nivek** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:24 pm

Hypnotizer wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/NBATV/status/545030486502801408[/tweet]

One more piece of evidence showing why Isiah was such a **** GM.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #296 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:47 pm

Zeke's list is nonsense. I don't agree with Greg Anthony's either, but it's better than Zeke's.

CntOutSmrtCrazy · Post #297 » by **CntOutSmrtCrazy** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:40 pm

Big stretch of games coming up for Wall:

@MIA: Miami could be a .500 team again after Wednesday's game versus the Jazz, it would be nice to get a solid road win considering that our Milwaukee (who are 13-10 against non-Wizards teams) game is probably are only decent road win so far this season.

PHX: A team that is 12-14 that sold probably be 14-12 (in their current 6 game slide they've lost two games where they were leading but beat by ridiculous buzzer beating threes). This game also marks quite the defensive test for Wall having to go up against PHX three-headed monster of Thomas, Dragic, and Bledsoe.

CHI: So many things going for this game: (1) first regular season match-up since the playoffs, (2) Wall v. Rose, and (3) an opportunity to get our second win against a top EC squad. Chicago is a very good road team at 11-4 (4-5 at home), so this looks to be a big test.

CntOutSmrtCrazy · Post #298 » by **CntOutSmrtCrazy** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:52 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:Zeke's list is nonsense. I don't agree with Greg Anthony's either, but it's better than Zeke's.

Isiah's list is ridiculous because:

a. I love Tony Parker, but he is not number one
b. Kyrie at 4 is laughable, just no
c. You can't include Rose in your top 5, he hasn't don anything in the last 3+ years to warrant a spot there
d. No Wall/Kyle is :lol:

Only flaw I see in Anthony's list is that he oddly left out Chris Paul.

dckingsfan · Post #299 » by **dckingsfan** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:14 pm

mohammed10 wrote:
dangermouse wrote:
Hypnotizer wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/NBATV/status/545030486502801408[/tweet]

Wtf Isiah doing Wall dirty

Kyrie should be lower and Rose shouldnt even be on it. And i dont see Parker as first, thats for Steph Curry right now.

Just goes to show you Zeke is NOT a good evaluator of talent anymore...

Or never was?

dckingsfan · Post #300 » by **dckingsfan** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:15 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:Westbrook has been sensational in the 11 games he's been back. But that's still less than half the minutes Curry, Paul, and Wall have played.

He doesn't deserve to be ranked ahead of them so far this season.

But you could make the argument - and IF he is good the rest of the season, he would need to be in the discussion with Wall, Curry and Paul - IMO.