Would the Kings offer Rondo a max salary contract?

robbie84 · Post #1 » by **robbie84** » Tue Dec 2, 2014 9:50 pm

Celtics fan here. I come in peace.
So Celtics fans are interested to know if the Kings (and their fanbase) would be fans of getting Rondo, and how much the Kings would invest to put him next to Cousins and Gay. I believe that you'd also be able to sign another impact player on top of Rondo because of Gay's deal (at least by 2016), even if you gave Rondo a max contract.

For the Celtics, if we can't put any stars around Rondo this offseason, there's a solid chance we waive the white flag and trade him, and the Kings and C's have been linked before. Ultimately we'd like to see a core of Rondo, Marcus Smart, Jarred Sullinger/Olynyk and Roy Hibbert, and slowly add to that. Marcus Smart is our binky and although we'd hate to lose Rondo, he'd be a decent replacement as far as potential goes.

So here's a few questions:

-Do the Kings want Rondo?
-Would they be willing to offer him a maximum salary contract over 5 years if that's what it took?
-What would the Kings front office be willing to give up for Rondo?

If yes to the above; would something like this be doable or are we asking for too much? In consideration here is how much your front office wants a start passing point guard next to Cousins to get the most out of him.

Celtics send:
Rondo+
Bradley +
Pressey+
Kelly Olynyk

Kings send:
Mclemore+
Stauskas+
Darren Collison+
Landry or Thompson+
2015 draft pick

Leaves you with a starting line up of:

Rondo
Bradley
Gay
Kelly Olynyk
Cousins

We are basically swapping Olynyk for Stauskas and Rondo+Bradley for Mclemore and your draft pick.
Olynyk is playing pretty well this season and both Olynyk and Bradley are excellent 3 point shooters which stretches the floor for Rondo to penetrate and particularly Cousins to get pick and roll room with Rondo.

Please keep in mind that this is so you can sign Rondo to a 5 years maximum deal so 'waiting till the offseason and just signing him outright as a free agent' is not an applicable answer here.

Thanks guys.

SacSanity · Post #2 » by **SacSanity** » Tue Dec 2, 2014 11:00 pm

1. For the right price, I believe we would want Rondo.
2. I think we would prefer to lock him up over a long period of time, but I am not sure a max deal is something we would want to do.
3. I would part ways with Stauskas , Thompson or Landry, Dwill, and a pick.

Your trade is fair... but I do not want to give up both our starting PG and SG.

Post #3 » by **Wolfay** » Wed Dec 3, 2014 12:13 am

So we trade our whole backcourt and our future for a guy who doesn't even want to be here. Right.

To answer your question in the title, hell no. Gay is more deserving of the max and much more important to the team, and he didn't get one.

SacKingZZZ · Post #4 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Wed Dec 3, 2014 2:28 am

In regards to the topic, jeez I would hope not.

Post #5 » by **City of Trees** » Wed Dec 3, 2014 2:51 am

:shock: no thanks

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blind prophet · Post #6 » by **blind prophet** » Wed Dec 3, 2014 5:08 am

No thanks, we may have dealt McLemore out of fear of salvage in the past, but no more.

Not interested, we are patient enough to wait till the off season and take our chances.

robbie84 · Post #7 » by **robbie84** » Wed Dec 3, 2014 6:25 am

Wolfay wrote:So we trade our whole backcourt and our future for a guy who doesn't even want to be here. Right.

To answer your question in the title, hell no. Gay is more deserving of the max and much more important to the team, and he didn't get one.

Can't see why he wouldn't want to be here when you're paying him more than anyone- nice california weather, playing with Cousins as an elite big man and his buddy Rudy Gay. Just because there have been a few rumors about Rondo saying 'hell no' to the Kings, doesn't mean the situation can't become much more appealing.

Fair enough if you aren't interested in a Mclemore+Stauskas swap, but you're getting back a much better back court in return in order to make the most out of Cousins' dominance.
Mclemore and Stauskas appear to be at least 3-4 seasons away from becoming the back court of Bradley+Rondo.
I can understand if you're not interested in paying him large money for 5 seasons, but how long do you wait for Mclemore or Stauskas to reach ECF contender territory? Even keeping Stauskas or Mclemore, and spending money on a nice PF free agent gives you something like:

Rondo
Mclemore
Gay
free agent
Cousins

Would you give Rondo something like 5 years and 15 million around the Rudy Gay mark?
I'd argue that Rondo would be more important to you than Gay considering how much he'd help Cousins and find Mclemore and other perimeter players. He'd be a pick and roll monster with Cousins.

Post #8 » by **City of Trees** » Wed Dec 3, 2014 6:31 am

robbie84 wrote:
Wolfay wrote:So we trade our whole backcourt and our future for a guy who doesn't even want to be here. Right.

To answer your question in the title, hell no. Gay is more deserving of the max and much more important to the team, and he didn't get one.

Can't see why he wouldn't want to be here when you're paying him more than anyone- nice california weather, playing with Cousins as an elite big man and his buddy Rudy Gay. Just because there have been a few rumors about Rondo saying 'hell no' to the Kings, doesn't mean the situation can become much more appealing.

Fair enough if you aren't interested in a Mclemore+Stauskas swap, but you're getting back a much better back court in return in order to make the most out of Cousins' dominance.
Mclemore and Stauskas appear to be at least 3-4 seasons away from becoming the back court of Bradley+Rondo.
I can understand if you're not interested in paying him large money for 5 seasons, but how long do you wait for Mclemore or Stauskas to reach ECF contender territory? Even keeping Stauskas or Mclemore, and spending money on a nice PF free agent gives you something like:

Rondo
Mclemore
Gay
free agent
Cousins

Would you give Rondo something like 5 years and 15 million around the Rudy Gay mark?
I'd argue that Rondo would be more important to you than Gay considering how much he'd help Cousins and find Mclemore and other perimeter players. He'd be a pick and roll monster with Cousins.

well wait I'm confused the thread title said Rondo max but your post talked about a trade.

Trading McLemore + Stauskas + 1st I'm not interested

Trading Stauskas + Sessions + 1st I'd do

Signing Rondo in FA I'd be open to depending on roster/salary situation

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Andrew McCeltic · Post #9 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Thu Dec 4, 2014 3:50 am

I'm a Celtics poster and that's a huge overpay on our part.. Rondo for Mclemore is still fair but I assume you all feel less urgent about it.

Trade values are funny- Rondo for Cousins was a rumor years ago before DMC blew up; I'd love to get IT/Mclemore and picks for Rondo now..

Meanwhile Landry and Thompson seemed like bad contracts two months ago- now you guys are at .500 and they're nice role players.

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Andrew McCeltic · Post #10 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:49 pm

Chris Mannix of Si reports the C's are initiating calls about Rondo, and to watch Sacramento.. What are all your thoughts at this point in the season?

As a Celtics fan, I'd still need Mclemore.

Post #11 » by **KF10** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:07 am

Rondo is interesting but I would rather look somewhere else if BMac is one of the pieces needed to make the deal work.

For the sake of argument, even if we traded for Rondo, I don't think he will stay in Sacramento unless we overpay him to stay (more than Cousins' deal). Rondo + Kings aren't PO bound, imo. Need another piece to propel Kings to PO land. If Rondo comes in, might as well look into Smith and hire Karl as HC.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #12 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:32 am

I think Rondo re-signs if you have Gay and Smith. Cousins thinks he's the best point guard in the league. Ownership wants a high octane offense. Rondo can help pick the next coach.

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Andrew McCeltic · Post #13 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:33 am

Ideal for me would be Rondo/Wallace for Mclemore/filler. Don't know if the numbers work. Could make it a three-team deal with Detroit.

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Silver Man · Post #14 » by **Silver Man** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:08 am

Didn't read any of the post in the thread but as for the topic question with our owners, anything is possible, for good or for bad.

Post #15 » by **KF10** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:39 am

andy582 wrote:I think Rondo re-signs if you have Gay and Smith. Cousins thinks he's the best point guard in the league. Ownership wants a high octane offense. Rondo can help pick the next coach.

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Do you really think Rondo fits with the Kings? That's the question.

They do not have spacers (3PT threats) and their main guy plays in the post. Rondo is most effective with the ball in his hands...this means, less time for Cousins on the ball.

Rondo/Stauskas/Gay/Smith/Cousins looks great in face value but in theory, easy to stop due lack of perimeter shooting. Opposing teams play zone, and it's game over for us lol

What's your opinion?

Andrew McCeltic · Post #16 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:21 am

No, I don't think Rondo is a GREAT fit for Sacramento but he's a legit "all-star" and would have your offense clicking. You also aren't obligated to get Smith.. An Ilyasova or Ryan Anderson type would be ideal. Or you can move Smith later..

He's like an A++ floor general, knows all the plays, everyone's tendencies, coach on the floor.. Jumper will get better with time a la J Kidd. I think Cousins is going to add a perimeter shot, too.

Short story: Rondo will never be a great fit anywhere because of his shot, but the rest of his game makes up for it.

You'd get great entry passes, lobs to Gay, kickouts to Stauskas.... Sneaky good rebounder.

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Andrew McCeltic · Post #17 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:22 am

Rondo's actually played well in a more open offense for Boston this year and hasn't pounded the ball like he did under Doc Rivers..

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Post #18 » by **KF10** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:06 am

I don't know about that.

Rondo is at his best when he is surrounded with shooters.

The Kings are the worst 3PT shooting team in the NBA and they don't take many jumpers relative to other teams as well.

They are an interior team through and through.

I don't think we can use Rondo to the 100% given all the reasons stated above. So, what now? You now have a player that isn't in his (preferred) environment and is a UFA after this season.

Too much risk, imo.

AnDrOiDKing4 · Post #19 » by **AnDrOiDKing4** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:56 am

Much like the Celtics front office, the fans will be asking for what the could have gotten last year.

That is out of the window, Rondo is playing awful, he will only commit for the rest of this season. They could of had IT/Ben/Picks last year but now it will be Nic/Williams/Filler.

Even the teams like the Mavs are jumping in because the Celtics have no more leverage.

Post #20 » by **KF10** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:01 am

Yeah, I know huh? ^^

I mean, I don't oppose a move for Rondo but if that means giving up BMac & stuff, I wouldn't do it.