Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

[Chuck Diesel]

Wonder what it would take to get Nurkic. I'd explore everything other than our golden 2.

He's a monster in the post, do you think his D will develop better than Pek's has?

100%. Quicker feet, longer arms & better defensive instincts. In the limited minutes he's gotten he's already blocking shots at a much higher rate than Pek. I think conditioning will be Nurkic's biggest hurdle. I'd love to get him to Milwaukee and see what he does with 20 minutes every night for the rest of his rookie season.

[Badgerlander]

T-Rob is probably available, despite getting the start against you and looking really good. T-Rob for Henson is a deal I'd like to see as a Portland fan.

TRob is awful, no way I'd do that deal. Henson for McCollum straight up seems pretty fair for both teams.

[Badgerlander]

Wonder what it would take to get Nurkic. I'd explore everything other than our golden 2.

He's a monster in the post, do you think his D will develop better than Pek's has?

100%. Quicker feet, longer arms & better defensive instincts. In the limited minutes he's gotten he's already blocking shots at a much higher rate than Pek. I think conditioning will be Nurkic's biggest hurdle. I'd love to get him to Milwaukee and see what he does with 20 minutes every night for the rest of his rookie season.

Nurkic is fun to watch but for Kidds system we need a Center that can hit the cutter, the jumper, or drive from the high post.

[Village Idiot]

T-Rob is probably available, despite getting the start against you and looking really good. T-Rob for Henson is a deal I'd like to see as a Portland fan.

TRob is awful, no way I'd do that deal. Henson for McCollum straight up seems pretty fair for both teams.

It's probably fair but I get the impression our front-office values McCollum highly. If they didn't we would have probably traded him to acquire Spencer Hawes at the last deadline or Aron Afflalo on draft-day.

[Badgerlander]

T-Rob is probably available, despite getting the start against you and looking really good. T-Rob for Henson is a deal I'd like to see as a Portland fan.

TRob is awful, no way I'd do that deal. Henson for McCollum straight up seems pretty fair for both teams.

It's probably fair but I get the impression our front-office values McCollum highly. If they didn't we would have probably traded him to acquire Spencer Hawes at the last deadline or Aron Afflalo on draft-day.

Yeah I like McCollum a lot but I'm sure that they'll hang onto him at least until after Wes is resigned. He fits Stotts system perfectly but I think he's strictly a PG and there are only so many minutes in Portland behind Lillard.

[Village Idiot]

TRob is awful, no way I'd do that deal. Henson for McCollum straight up seems pretty fair for both teams.

It's probably fair but I get the impression our front-office values McCollum highly. If they didn't we would have probably traded him to acquire Spencer Hawes at the last deadline or Aron Afflalo on draft-day.

Yeah I like McCollum a lot but I'm sure that they'll hang onto him at least until after Wes is resigned. He fits Stotts system perfectly but I think he's strictly a PG and there are only so many minutes in Portland behind Lillard.

CJ doesn't have the court vision to play the point although he is a very good ball-handler and extremely crafty with the ball. Very skillled, unselfish, cerebral player that any coach would love to have but who will never be a star.

He's more like a better shooting, better decision making version of Jerryd Bayless but perhaps a bit less athletic.

[Badgerlander]

It's probably fair but I get the impression our front-office values McCollum highly. If they didn't we would have probably traded him to acquire Spencer Hawes at the last deadline or Aron Afflalo on draft-day.

Yeah I like McCollum a lot but I'm sure that they'll hang onto him at least until after Wes is resigned. He fits Stotts system perfectly but I think he's strictly a PG and there are only so many minutes in Portland behind Lillard.

CJ doesn't have the court vision to play the point although he is a very good ball-handler and extremely crafty with the ball. Very skillled, unselfish, cerebral player that any coach would love to have but who will never be a star.

He's more like a better shooting, better decision making version of Jerryd Bayless but perhaps a bit less athletic.

I mean right now we have Knight as our starting PG and he has less vision than Bayless. With as much as Giannis and Parker are going to handle the ball we need a PG with a better shot selection, a good spot up shooter, smart defender, and can run a competent PnR once in a while.

[eagle13]

TWO TRADES
knight zaza ersan mayo – NO - Holiday Ajinca Gordon
&
1st-LAC, Henson JOB Dudley – DEN - Hickson Nurkic Gee-E

ROSTER
sanders / nurkic / ajinca
giannis / hickson
middleton / gee / ingliss
bayless / gordon
holiday / marshall-E / wolters

[Treebeard]

He's a monster in the post, do you think his D will develop better than Pek's has?

100%. Quicker feet, longer arms & better defensive instincts. In the limited minutes he's gotten he's already blocking shots at a much higher rate than Pek. I think conditioning will be Nurkic's biggest hurdle. I'd love to get him to Milwaukee and see what he does with 20 minutes every night for the rest of his rookie season.

Nurkic is fun to watch but for Kidds system we need a Center that can hit the cutter, the jumper, or drive from the high post.

That sounds more like Zaza - of six-seven years ago - and not so much of Larry - or Zaza - of today....

[Ron Swanson]

I don't really get why people can have such a low opinion of Brandon Knight, yet then be clamoring to deal for a guy like CJ McCollum. He's a poor man's version and 3 months older than Knight. Unless the entire premise is that you just want the guy that has 2 more years on a rookie deal?

I feel indifferent on a Henson for T-Rob trade. Robinson is pretty bad, but he's also younger than Henson and is more explosive. Greater potential but I don't think either guy is ever going to be anything special, the only strength I can say about either is that they are good rebounders. T-Rob has bounced around the league and gotten enough chances to convince me that he just isn't that talented of a player.

[Badgerlander]

100%. Quicker feet, longer arms & better defensive instincts. In the limited minutes he's gotten he's already blocking shots at a much higher rate than Pek. I think conditioning will be Nurkic's biggest hurdle. I'd love to get him to Milwaukee and see what he does with 20 minutes every night for the rest of his rookie season.

Nurkic is fun to watch but for Kidds system we need a Center that can hit the cutter, the jumper, or drive from the high post.

That sounds more like Zaza - of six-seven years ago - and not so much of Larry - or Zaza - of today....

Which is why Zaza is getting more playing time than Larry right now. Zaza is the perfect guy to teach somebody like O'Quinn if we could get our hands on him.

[ReasonablySober]

I don't really get why people can have such a low opinion of Brandon Knight, yet then be clamoring to deal for a guy like CJ McCollum. He's a poor man's version and 3 months older than Knight. Unless the entire premise is that you just want the guy that has 2 more years on a rookie deal?

I feel indifferent on a Henson for T-Rob trade. Robinson is pretty bad, but he's also younger than Henson and is more explosive. Greater potential but I don't think either guy is ever going to be anything special, the only strength I can say about either is that they are good rebounders. T-Rob has bounced around the league and gotten enough chances to convince me that he just isn't that talented of a player.

I'm completely indifferent to McCollum, but the contract issue is huge. At least with McCollum you get a couple years to see if he improves with an increased role.

[Ron Swanson]

I don't really get why people can have such a low opinion of Brandon Knight, yet then be clamoring to deal for a guy like CJ McCollum. He's a poor man's version and 3 months older than Knight. Unless the entire premise is that you just want the guy that has 2 more years on a rookie deal?

I feel indifferent on a Henson for T-Rob trade. Robinson is pretty bad, but he's also younger than Henson and is more explosive. Greater potential but I don't think either guy is ever going to be anything special, the only strength I can say about either is that they are good rebounders. T-Rob has bounced around the league and gotten enough chances to convince me that he just isn't that talented of a player.

I'm completely indifferent to McCollum, but the contract issue is huge. At least with McCollum you get a couple years to see if he improves with an increased role.

Fair enough. Crabbe is the guy on Portland that interests me more. He's shooting on very good efficiency and is on a 2nd round rookie contract for this year and next. I'd see if they'd do a Wolters or Marshall for Crabbe swap straight up. They could use a young true PG for the future as well as the present with Steve Blake not playing that well.

[tski1972]

Crabbe = Middleton

[Ron Swanson]

Crabbe = Middleton

He's more of a 2-guard than Middleton and he's under contract for next year. Two 23 year-olds that can shoot is never a bad thing.

[Badgerlander]

I don't really get why people can have such a low opinion of Brandon Knight, yet then be clamoring to deal for a guy like CJ McCollum. He's a poor man's version and 3 months older than Knight. Unless the entire premise is that you just want the guy that has 2 more years on a rookie deal?

I feel indifferent on a Henson for T-Rob trade. Robinson is pretty bad, but he's also younger than Henson and is more explosive. Greater potential but I don't think either guy is ever going to be anything special, the only strength I can say about either is that they are good rebounders. T-Rob has bounced around the league and gotten enough chances to convince me that he just isn't that talented of a player.

I like McCollum because I think he's a better player than Knight, better shot selection, better shooter, makes better decisions. It's tough to compare them because McCollum isn't starting but I think he can do everything that Knight can without all of the things that I don't like about Knight.

TRob is explosive but he looks smaller than Wes Matthews on the court, can't defend anyone in the post aside from trying to block a shot and he can't shoot. He's a smaller Adrien with more ups and no jumper. Henson at least has the length to defend the rim and score over Centers.

[Badgerlander]

Basically I think McCollum is Nate with a jumper


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[emunney]

Crabbe = Middleton

Similar level players but there are some pretty key differences between them. Crabbe isn't lost in transition and is a better passer in general but particularly on the move. He has some PnR potential. Big time up and down guy emotionally, though, and can sleep through a game if he doesn't like what's going on.

[machu46]

Nurkic is fun to watch but for Kidds system we need a Center that can hit the cutter, the jumper, or drive from the high post.

That sounds more like Zaza - of six-seven years ago - and not so much of Larry - or Zaza - of today....

Which is why Zaza is getting more playing time than Larry right now. Zaza is the perfect guy to teach somebody like O'Quinn if we could get our hands on him.

Yeah, my original objective with starting this thread was to find guys like O'Quinn. I think it's pretty clear that Kidd wants a big man like a Marc Gasol rather than the mold of what Larry could become. O'Quinn seems like a really good guy to target and I would 100% get behind it if we made a move for him.

[emunney]

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