The Corey Brewer Trade Block thread

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Re: The Corey Brewer Trade Block thread 

Post#21 » by GopherIt! » Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:56 pm

Fun fact: Corey Brewer played 330+ games for Minny.
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Post#22 » by HartfordWhalers » Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:57 pm

I'm not sure Corey Brewer qualifies as the subject of a fun fact.
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Post#24 » by mcfly1204 » Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:59 pm

GopherIt! wrote:Fun fact: Corey Brewer played 330+ games for Minny.

You mean: "Fun irrelevant fact:," right?
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Post#25 » by GopherIt! » Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:03 pm

The "Watching games is irrelevant" jab?

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Re: The Corey Brewer Trade Block thread 

Post#26 » by pacers33granger » Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:24 pm

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Houston and Cleveland remain the best positioned to make a deal because both teams possess an active trade exception large enough to absorb Brewer's $4.7 million salary.


Doesn't this strike the rest of you as odd? I can't believe that MIN is searching for a TPE, so that those two teams are best positioned.



I took this more as that's what Houston and Cleveland want to give up, not what Minnesota is looking for specifically. I'm sure there's other teams interested out there, but those two are the ones we've heard the most about being interested by far. I think it's mostly just bad wording since other teams would likely be better positioned, but probably don't want to do a deal.

The only players really fitting with Brewer's salary on either team are Papanikolaou and Terry from Houston who are both rotation players and Thompson and Waiters from Cleveland which would be an overpay. If those teams trade one of those guys for Brewer they'd likely balk at including any sort of pick and Cleveland would likely want a pick back for their guys.
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Post#27 » by GopherIt! » Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:25 pm

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Houston and Cleveland remain the best positioned to make a deal because both teams possess an active trade exception large enough to absorb Brewer's $4.7 million salary.


Doesn't this strike the rest of you as odd? I can't believe that MIN is searching for a TPE, so that those two teams are best positioned.

Let me break it down a bit. A TPE provides a few things that trading for a player does not

1. Lowered payroll this year or next to get under lux or cap -- no effect for MIN
2. A financial device to add a $4.7 mil player next season. -- little value. MIN is flooded with young, cheap talent, and are likely to let it develop. If they do want new players, they will likely add one through trade, by combining a couple vets this season. Moreover, even if they wanted to add players of $4.7 mil or less, they could trade, and they will also have the MLE. I like TPE's as trade mechanisms, but MIN doesn't seem to be able to take advantage of one well.
3. Save actual dollars -- well, i don't think any owner minds saving money, especially if many minutes are going to other players for development, so that's a positive. However, we just saw a rejuvenated Taylor pay $3.5 mil to remove Barea and keep GR3 - the billionaire seems to want to spend money to improve the team.

And that's the point here. I understand that people have slightly different views on Corey Brewer's worth, but most everyone agrees that he is at least an MLE-level player, and he is paid less at $4.7 mil. He is a bargain. If MIN swapped him for a TPE, they could not get as good a player back for $4.7 mil, and tossing in a second rounder wouldn't change that. A TPE means zero production for your team.

I personally think MIN should be just as likely to trade him for a 1-2 year player, rather than a TPE. First, it gives them a chance to add a stabilizing vet, which I think helps the youth grow more than the extra minutes. Next, MIN is in a position that they have room financially this year and next, which gives them a chance to add value to Brewer by taking on a year of salary. Even if their ultimate goal is a 1st, Brewer may only be barely able to do that - but Brewer and removing salary from a team that needs it seems like ample value to get a 1st round pick back for him. Teams used to buy late 1sts for $3 mil in cash .. removing $4-6 mil in 2015-16 salary is a far better return for a late 1st.


That's a great post Shrink. A TPE is not the target.
Plus we already have the Love TPE for $6.3M
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Re: The Corey Brewer Trade Block thread 

Post#28 » by HartfordWhalers » Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:38 pm

Eh, the top teams tend not to have deadweight salary for 2 years. Houston doesn't. Cleveland doesn't.

I agree that a 1st and taking salary makes more sense, but you need a team that is good enough to want to do that and has deadweight salary.

Dallas with Felton I guess, but they have bigger goals.

Otherwise I don't see much that fits that criteria, and a TPE is better than an expiring both in a vacuum as well as specifically for an owner that has sold picks.

Okay I tried one -- viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1361457
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Post#29 » by pipfan » Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:27 pm

Bulls move Snell and filler, plus their first (could be Clev's too-Bulls have non-lottery swap rights). The Bulls really need another wing to play some minutes. Also, Thibs might bench Kirk more-which is needed.

It is a big pay for Brewer, but we are win now and it keeps him from Clev.
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Re: The Corey Brewer Trade Block thread 

Post#30 » by shrink » Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:10 pm

pipfan wrote:Bulls move Snell and filler, plus their first (could be Clev's too-Bulls have non-lottery swap rights). The Bulls really need another wing to play some minutes. Also, Thibs might bench Kirk more-which is needed.

It is a big pay for Brewer, but we are win now and it keeps him from Clev.


MIN would say yes to this.
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Re: The Corey Brewer Trade Block thread 

Post#31 » by LarsV8 » Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:03 am

Our insider is saying this is pretty much a done deal by today or tomorrow.

I expect a second rounder.
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Re: The Corey Brewer Trade Block thread 

Post#32 » by inquisitive » Fri Dec 19, 2014 1:13 am

It looks like Brewer is coming to houston for TPE and possibly 2nd rd pick. Turiaf(throw in) involved also though he is out for the year, but an expiring anyway.
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Re: The Corey Brewer Trade Block thread 

Post#33 » by shrink » Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:43 am

inquisitive wrote:It looks like Brewer is coming to houston for TPE and possibly 2nd rd pick. Turiaf(throw in) involved also though he is out for the year, but an expiring anyway.


If true, including Turiaf is a nice compromise.

Flip wanted a 1st for the $4.7 mil Brewer, and I don't blame him. Including Turiaf's $1.5 dead salary effectively makes Brewer cost a pro-rated $6.2 mil, which wouldn't justify a 1st. Moreover, with it's hardship signing of Adrien, MIN has roster issues looming with 16 players if they take a prospect back back for a Brewer, or wish to do an additional 2-for-1 trade of one of their vets in the future.
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Re: The Corey Brewer Trade Block thread 

Post#34 » by DowJones » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:51 pm

I think Brewer is a bad fit in Cleveland. He can't shoot and he isn't a great defender. He would be ok for depth purposes but hopefully we add a SG that can push Marion to the backup SF position.

Cleveland certainly won't give up a 1st rounder.
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Re: The Corey Brewer Trade Block thread 

Post#35 » by tidho » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:00 pm

DowJones wrote:I think Brewer is a bad fit in Cleveland. He can't shoot and he isn't a great defender. He would be ok for depth purposes but hopefully we add a SG that can push Marion to the backup SF position.

Cleveland certainly won't give up a 1st rounder.

Could not disagree more.

He's a very capable defender, that would easliy push Marion to the bench. The Cleveland starting lineup doesn't need another shooter, there are no more shots to go around. They need a guy athletic enough to defend, and able to score in transition. That's Brewer.

Although rumors seem to have Houston as a done deal so it may not matter.

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