Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2)

[leswizards]

Yes I was critical of management before, I never denied that. But there was justification. The team was losing and badly.

What justification is there now to still promote a dislike for management? Especially now that the Wiz are one of the best teams in the NBA. That right there is foolish and trollish.

Where have I every advocated other posters to ignore another poster? Please link the thread for me. I doubt if you will be able to find it.

I don't know if the thread was deleted or not, but you definitely started a thread calling TGW a troll.

And, you proved my point. You think your criticism of management is justified, but no one else can justify their criticism of management.

[leswizards]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=1315911

[Zonkerbl]

I am quite certain that the vast majority of EG's harshest critics have been advocating for the Wizards to do exactly that. So, if EG actually pulls it off, why is he the genius, and his critics the idiots?

Because EG's job is to win a championship and there's nothing more we can ask from him than to put a championship caliber roster together. All criticism of EG becomes moot if he lands KD.

Am I wrong?

I am not going to say you are wrong, but I don't think it makes his critics idiots. His critics have many valid reasons for hating his years of mismanagement. But, after this off season, maybe you are right, and all of EG's years of mismanagement are in the past and not something to be worried about in the future.

I was trying to be funny.

I obviously failed.

Please forgive.

[Nivek]

Last game certainly won't help Seraphin's ratings. He fouled out in only 17 minutes with 1 rebound.

Believe it or not...it DID help his rating. His PPA for that one game was 52. His season average is 34.

[leswizards]

I was trying to be funny.

I obviously failed.

Please forgive.

No need to apologize. I just missed it. Sorry.

[Kanyewest]

Last game certainly won't help Seraphin's ratings. He fouled out in only 17 minutes with 1 rebound.

Believe it or not...it DID help his rating. His PPA for that one game was 52. His season average is 34.

Yeah, I thought Seraphin played better in that game than the Clippers one where he grabbed 7 rebounds. Interesting to see that PPA validates that by a wide margin- although it probably helped Seraphin that he got to play stretches with Wall/Beal/Nene in the lineup at the same time as opposed to Miller/Porter.

Still, when Seraphin got injured at half time, I thought it would have given DeJuan Blair a chance but looks like Washington will have to wait a while longer.

[TGW]

I don't know if the thread was deleted or not, but you definitely started a thread calling TGW a troll.

And, you proved my point. You think your criticism of management is justified, but no one else can justify their criticism of management.

That troll has multiple posts absolutely destroying Turd, Grunfeld, Wall, Wittman, and anyone associated with the franchise. I'd post them, but I already have.

This is clearly someone looking for attention, i.e. a troll. He's been banned on other boards for trolling, so I guess now realgm is his new place to spew his nonsense.

[hands11]

During the Ernie era, here is where the Wizards rank:

W-L: 375-535 (.412), 28th place
SRS: -2.81, 29th place
Playoff W-L: 14-23 (.378), 24th place

Awesome resume!

You go ahead and hold onto that.

Meanwhile, I enjoy that 2nd round playoffs, 18-6 and the team we actually have that Ted/EG built.

[hands11]

2014 was good -- Pierce and Humprhies. Not sure why Blair gets no time at all, but he's a solid player to have in a "break glass in case of emergency" role. Only bad move really was bringing back Seraphin, and that hasn't hurt them much. Yet.

I know it's blasphemy around here to say this---but I'm liking the role that Seraphin is carving out for himself this season. I know the stats might not shout "improvement" but there's an obvious and important chemistry that the Zards' second team is developing and I see KS as an important part of that.

And, as I've said before, Seraphin seems to be getting smarter about when to shoot and when to pass, and it's clear to me that his improved quickness both off his feet and up-and-down the court is having a positive impact on his performance/contribution.

Did you see that nice pass out the other day for an assist where he was in the post and instead of passing to the top of the key ( his first option ) he saw that was covered and made a 15 foot bounce pass out to what might have been the 3 point line ( his second option ) for the pull up jumper..

He still made mistakes that game, but that one pass stood out to me. I can't remember him making that advanced of a read and pass before. If he had, I missed it.

[hands11]

If his strategy to make a bid for a big free agent in 2016 works out, he's a genius and we're all idiots.

I am quite certain that the vast majority of EG's harshest critics have been advocating for the Wizards to do exactly that. So, if EG actually pulls it off, why is he the genius, and his critics the idiots?

Do you honestly not know the answer to that ?

Not like the idea of getting a big name free agency isn't something they have been shooting for all along. Not like it wasn't in the detailed plan or that Ted and EG have spoken about it lots of times.

Idiot status would come from ignoring all of that over and over and arguing with people who keep pointing it out. Idiot status are the same people that argued KD was not even something that could be talked about.. then it was common knowledge and getting reported every where and now its just excepted that is a viable target.

Its arguing that you want something, and your getting it and you don't even realize it and attacking the people that are giving it to you. It being the last one to see what happening while you argue with people that actually have seen it.

This is just one thread, and part of two filled of why.

I could go on, but that enough for why.

[dckingsfan]

During the Ernie era, here is where the Wizards rank:

W-L: 375-535 (.412), 28th place
SRS: -2.81, 29th place
Playoff W-L: 14-23 (.378), 24th place

Awesome resume!

You go ahead and hold onto that.

Meanwhile, I enjoy that 2nd round playoffs, 18-6 and the team we actually have that Ted/EG built.

Here you go again... just because someone points out that EG has been an abject failure - you then make a wild leap that they can't enjoy the success of the team.

This is really narrow minded thinking.

[milellie111]

Yes I was critical of management before, I never denied that. But there was justification. The team was losing and badly.

What justification is there now to still promote a dislike for management? Especially now that the Wiz are one of the best teams in the NBA. That right there is foolish and trollish.

Where have I every advocated other posters to ignore another poster? Please link the thread for me. I doubt if you will be able to find it.

I don't know if the thread was deleted or not, but you definitely started a thread calling TGW a troll.

And, you proved my point. You think your criticism of management is justified, but no one else can justify their criticism of management.

Yes, I called him a troll and rightfully so. Others have called him a troll as well privately in my inbox.
However you said that I encouraged others to put him on ignore. I've never done such and never will neither can you find evidence of me saying such.

[milellie111]

I don't know if the thread was deleted or not, but you definitely started a thread calling TGW a troll.

And, you proved my point. You think your criticism of management is justified, but no one else can justify their criticism of management.

That troll has multiple posts absolutely destroying Turd, Grunfeld, Wall, Wittman, and anyone associated with the franchise. I'd post them, but I already have.

This is clearly someone looking for attention, i.e. a troll. He's been banned on other boards for trolling, so I guess now realgm is his new place to spew his nonsense.

For someone who has me on their ignore list, you sure do post a lot in the threads I start and respond to those who quote me. Ha

[leswizards]

Yes, I called him a troll and rightfully so. Others have called him a troll as well privately in my inbox.
However you said that I encouraged others to put him on ignore. I've never done such and never will neither can you find evidence of me saying such.

It takes an incredible level of obtuseness to start a thread calling someone a troll, and then argue you never encouraged others to ignore him.

I might add, you claim that people are privately calling TGW a troll via messages. Well, I have only seen 2 people publicly call TGW a troll (you and hands). I have seen far more than 2 people call you a troll publicly. For the record, I don't think you are troll, but I have tried to explain to you why so many people treat you like a troll, but you are to obtuse to understand.

[leswizards]

If his strategy to make a bid for a big free agent in 2016 works out, he's a genius and we're all idiots.

I am quite certain that the vast majority of EG's harshest critics have been advocating for the Wizards to do exactly that. So, if EG actually pulls it off, why is he the genius, and his critics the idiots?

Do you honestly not know the answer to that ?

Not like the idea of getting a big name free agency isn't something they have been shooting for all along. Not like it wasn't in the detailed plan or that Ted and EG have spoken about it lots of times.

Idiot status would come from ignoring all of that over and over and arguing with people who keep pointing it out. Idiot status are the same people that argued KD was not even something that could be talked about.. then it was common knowledge and getting reported every where and now its just excepted that is a viable target.

Its arguing that you want something, and your getting it and you don't even realize it and attacking the people that are giving it to you. It being the last one to see what happening while you argue with people that actually have seen it.

This is just one thread, and part of two filled of why.

I could go on, but that enough for why.

The question was already answered in much less obnoxious way by Zonkerbl. Seeing that the question wasn't directed towards you, I don't see why you felt the need to chime in other than a childish need to show others that you think you won an argument that you really haven't.

[milellie111]

Yes, I called him a troll and rightfully so. Others have called him a troll as well privately in my inbox.
However you said that I encouraged others to put him on ignore. I've never done such and never will neither can you find evidence of me saying such.

It takes an incredible level of obtuseness to start a thread calling someone a troll, and then argue you never encouraged others to ignore him.

I might add, you claim that people are privately calling TGW a troll via messages. Well, I have only seen 2 people publicly call TGW a troll (you and hands). I have seen far more than 2 people call you a troll publicly. For the record, I don't think you are troll, but I have tried to explain to you why so many people treat you like a troll, but you are to obtuse to understand.

It's all good. I understand. I get called a troll for supporting my teams management that has them in the playoffs and at 18-6 and disagree with firing the GM, while others push a hate agenda against the owner, the GM and the coach calling them "Turd", "Grunfeld" and "Wittless", yet they enjoy the success the team is having because of those three guys. Makes perfect sense.

[hands11]

I think it's kind of feminine to place someone on an ignore list just because you don't agree with their arguments.

Are women inferior to men? You seem to be suggesting that in your comment. That would make you a male chauvinistic pig.

So your saying being feminine is an inferior trait and that women that are feminine are inferior ?

You are clearly suggesting that in your comment. That would make you the male chauvinistic pig, not Milli.

Oh, the irony. Your attempted to twist someone words using unsophisticated logic and tactics, and in doing so you exposed your own chauvinistic views.

Now maybe we can get back to talking about the team instead of redirecting the debate from the team, its success, its challenges moving forward.

[leswizards]

It's all good. I understand. I get called a troll for supporting my teams management that has them in the playoffs and at 18-6 and disagree with firing the GM, while others push a hate agenda against the owner, the GM and the coach calling them "Turd", "Grunfeld" and "Wittless", yet they enjoy the success the team is having because of those three guys. Makes perfect sense.

Thank you for proving my point about being obtuse. That isn't why you are called a troll.

And, since you are mocking other for what they call Ted, EG, Wittman, why don't you post some of the derogatory things that you wrote about them?

[leswizards]

I think it's kind of feminine to place someone on an ignore list just because you don't agree with their arguments.

Are women inferior to men? You seem to be suggesting that in your comment. That would make you a male chauvinistic pig.

So your saying being feminine is an inferior trait and that women that are feminine are inferior ?

You are clearly suggesting that in your comment. That would make you the male chauvinistic pig, not Milli.

Oh, the irony. Your attempted to twist someone words using unsophisticated logic and tactics, and in doing so you exposed your own chauvinistic views.

Now maybe we can get back to talking about the team instead of redirecting the debate from the team, its success, its challenges moving forward.

Where did I ever suggest feminine is the inferior trait? millie said it is feminine to ignore someone. It seems to me he is writing that as an insult of those who are ignoring him. I asked him if that was what he meant. If so, as I wrote, he is the male chauvinistic pig.

And for someone who wants "Now maybe we can get back to talking about the team instead of redirecting the debate from the team, its success, its challenges moving forward" you sure do spend a lot of time talking about the past in an attempt to get people to eat crow when it is unwarranted.

[dckingsfan]

Are women inferior to men? You seem to be suggesting that in your comment. That would make you a male chauvinistic pig.

So your saying being feminine is an inferior trait and that women that are feminine are inferior ?

You are clearly suggesting that in your comment. That would make you the male chauvinistic pig, not Milli.

Oh, the irony. Your attempted to twist someone words using unsophisticated logic and tactics, and in doing so you exposed your own chauvinistic views.

Now maybe we can get back to talking about the team instead of redirecting the debate from the team, its success, its challenges moving forward.

Where did I ever suggest feminine is the inferior trait? millie said it is feminine to ignore someone. It seems to me he is writing that as an insult of those who are ignoring him. I asked him if that was what he meant. If so, as I wrote, he is the male chauvinistic pig.

And for someone who wants "Now maybe we can get back to talking about the team instead of redirecting the debate from the team, its success, its challenges moving forward" you sure do spend a lot of time talking about the past in an attempt to get people to eat crow when it is unwarranted.

Yep, they just can't enjoy the season... they are having to dwell on propping up a bag GM